Jump to content
House Price Crash Forum
Guest

Great Jobs Apartheid: Public Sector Staff Spend Nine Fewer Years At Work Over Lifetime Than Private Employees And Earn 30% More

Recommended Posts

http://www.dailymail...-employees.html

'Public sector employees work nine years less than their private sector counterparts but are paid 30 per cent more, a bombshell report reveals today.

Extraordinary research tells a tale of two Britains - a state sector awash with taxpayers' cash while the rest of the economy struggles to stay afloat.

Public sector workers enjoy better pay than those in the private sector, as well as better pensions, shorter hours, and earlier retirement.

Over their lifetimes, those in the private sector work 23 per cent longer - equivalent to an extra nine years and ten weeks - than public sector employees. This is thanks to a combination of shorter hours, more time off and earlier retirement.

The findings explode once and for all the old idea that public sector workers have better job security and gold-plated pensions because they have lower salaries.

They will be seized on by the Coalition Government, which has warned that the bloated state sector has been artificially insulated from the recession and is in line for massive spending cuts.

The report, by centre-Right think tank Policy Exchange, also found that the chance of being made compulsorily redundant in the civil service is an astonishing 0.00007 per cent.

Generous pension schemes in the state sector are now worth up to 15 per cent on top of salary, the report says, while public sector pay costs have soared by more than a third in real terms over the last seven years - three times faster than in the private sector.

The report uses figures from the Office for National Statistics to show that more than seven million people are now employed in the public sector, over a million more than official figures suggest. And £4billion more is spent on marketing, PR, customer service and office managers' jobs in the public sector than in 2002.

Policy Exchange director Neil O'Brien said: 'Under the last government the pay bill got totally out of control, increasing three times faster than in the private sector. Pay spiralled even though productivity was collapsing.

'We should freeze the public sector pay bill in cash terms for the next four years, taking the pay bill back to where it was in 2003 in real terms. We should also follow the example of Ireland and other European countries, and ask public sector workers to pay some more towards their pensions.'

The report says median gross pay is now £22,417 in the public sector and £19,932 in the private sector.

It adds that between 1997 and 2007 public sector productivity fell, while productivity in the private sector increased by nearly 28 per cent - leaving the former only two-thirds as productive as the latter.

Between 2002 and 2009, the number working in the public sector increased nearly five times more quickly than numbers in the private sector.

The report says that on an hourly basis, the typical public sector worker is 30 per cent better paid than their private sector counterpart.

Before 1997, when Labour came to power, private and public sector salaries rose at similar rates. But between 2002 and 2009, typical pay grew 86 per cent faster in the public sector, partly funded by additional public spending. Meanwhile, real earnings for private workers have been largely stagnant since 2002.

Between 1997 and 2008 the proportion of public sector workers without any pension provision from their employer fell from 21 per cent to 16 per cent. However, in the private sector the same figure rose from 54 per cent to 63 per cent.

While the proportion of public sector workers in generous defined-benefit schemes has risen, the number in the private sector has progressively declined - to just 8 per cent of the workforce compared to 80 per cent in the public sector by 2007.

The report says gold-plated public sector pensions - which have been targeted by the Government for cuts - are worth between an extra 12 per cent and 15.6 per cent of total salary. Ministers are next week expected to announce a major review of public sector pensions after the independent economic watchdog warned their cost will more than double by 2014.

Today's report also highlights the generous redundancy payments in the civil service. Civil servants over 50 qualify for compensation of three years' pay, funded by the taxpayer, while those who joined before 1987 can qualify for six-and-a-half years' pay, on top of their pensions.

TUC General Secretary Brendan Barber said it was 'impossible' to accurately compare private and public sector pay because of the higher number of skilled and professional workers and differences in the nature of jobs.

He said the report used 'deliberately misleading' figures and painted 'every nurse, every doctor, every teacher as a drag on the economy''

yep,this is all utterly sustainable.Ponzi without end.Amen.

The public sector largess is out of control.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The lies that you hear everyday become your truth.

When people have been told that council workers are poorly paid whilst taking home 35k+ and a good pension they've believed it.

Something needs to happen now - perhaps you can only have what pension you've paid in.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

One of the apartheid I have noticed is young adults who work for the government can afford to run a car. While most in the private sector jobs cannot afford to run a car.

We could have seperate drinking fountains. One with filtered water for the public sector workers, and one a bucket with rain water for the privates.

Edited by aa3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This is why I despise public sector workers. They are a self-serving, cosy, lazy, snivelling elite living off the backs of people who have to work for a living, and yes, before any raises it, I do include the holy worshipful sainted doctors nurses and teachers in what I say. They are a vast drain on the nations resources, delivering second rate services and more interested in maintaining there own pay and conditions than with whatever job they are supposed to be doing. Let hope that the coming cuts see 50% of them sacked...this would be only be a good thing, they are non productive people who are payed by taxpayers, in economic terms they are effectively on benefits so far better for the economy that they are sacked and paid £42 a week jobseekers allowance than 30, 40, 50 thousand a year. Bring on the ax!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This is why I despise public sector workers. They are a self-serving, cosy, lazy, snivelling elite living off the backs of people who have to work for a living, and yes, before any raises it, I do include the holy worshipful sainted doctors nurses and teachers in what I say. They are a vast drain on the nations resources, delivering second rate services and more interested in maintaining there own pay and conditions than with whatever job they are supposed to be doing. Let hope that the coming cuts see 50% of them sacked...this would be only be a good thing, they are non productive people who are payed by taxpayers, in economic terms they are effectively on benefits so far better for the economy that they are sacked and paid £42 a week jobseekers allowance than 30, 40, 50 thousand a year. Bring on the ax!

I'd also be happy to see the size of the public sector workforce drop by 50% but find teachers, nurses, doctors rather useful and productive.

VMR.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Clearly the answer is to drag down the working conditions of the public sector worker to the level of the private sector worker.

I mean increasing the compensation on offer to private sector workers, improving their working conditions and providing additional job security would lead us to the terrible situation where the richest 1% of the population would be less enriched by the labour of the poorest 99%.

If it wasn't for those blood sucking unions all you right wing nut jobs despise you'd still be working 14 hours a day for 7 days a week with no holiday.

Now in the post-Thatcher era when your own gutlessness and fear of standing up for yourself has resulted in the rich further screwing you and worsening your conditions, whilst enjoying record pay at a lower taxation rate, you start to blame the public sector. for your crappy life

The rich love people like you, put an artile in the Mail and play you like a fiddle.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Politics of envy.

Sorry that phrase only applies when the 99% of the population ask for more.

When the 1% start to remove rights from the 99% of the population it is prudent macro-economic policy and we are "all in it together"

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sorry that phrase only applies when the 99% of the population ask for more.

When the 1% start to remove rights from the 99% of the population it is prudent macro-economic policy and we are "all in it together"

Look on the bright side. If you lose your job at least house prices will be cheaper.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'd also be happy to see the size of the public sector workforce drop by 50% but find teachers, nurses, doctors rather useful and productive.

VMR.

I would agree with you except that the outcomes achieved by the health and education sectors in relation to the amount of money spent

are actually quite appalling, so I don't think that nurses, teachers etc should escape criticism.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This is why I despise public sector workers. They are a self-serving, cosy, lazy, snivelling elite living off the backs of people who have to work for a living, and yes, before any raises it, I do include the holy worshipful sainted doctors nurses and teachers in what I say. They are a vast drain on the nations resources, delivering second rate services and more interested in maintaining there own pay and conditions than with whatever job they are supposed to be doing. Let hope that the coming cuts see 50% of them sacked...this would be only be a good thing, they are non productive people who are payed by taxpayers, in economic terms they are effectively on benefits so far better for the economy that they are sacked and paid £42 a week jobseekers allowance than 30, 40, 50 thousand a year. Bring on the ax!

yes, let's tar all public sector workers with the same brush. Next time you're seriously let's hope the cuts don't mean that you're left dying on a hospital trolley. As for being overpaid, my private sector friends who I would consider intellectual equivalents, all get paid more and work less hours.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Clearly the answer is to drag down the working conditions of the public sector worker to the level of the private sector worker.

I mean increasing the compensation on offer to private sector workers, improving their working conditions and providing additional job security would lead us to the terrible situation where the richest 1% of the population would be less enriched by the labour of the poorest 99%.

If it wasn't for those blood sucking unions all you right wing nut jobs despise you'd still be working 14 hours a day for 7 days a week with no holiday.

Now in the post-Thatcher era when your own gutlessness and fear of standing up for yourself has resulted in the rich further screwing you and worsening your conditions, whilst enjoying record pay at a lower taxation rate, you start to blame the public sector. for your crappy life

The rich love people like you, put an artile in the Mail and play you like a fiddle.

Give yourself a talking too. Like a typical socialist you just don't get it. Yes working people (as opposed to benefit scrounger public sector workers) have been screwed by the elite, but the public sector is part of that being screwed: governments create a massive public sector to create a them and us mentality...theres those under the umbrella of government largesse, doing what they are told and keeping thier mouth shuts, for which they get a lovely job for lots of money and little actual work, and then theres the people outside the umbrella, they do not owe their living to the government so they have to be controlled, taxed and harrased until they finally give in and go and work for the public sector.

And how exactly do you think the rich have screwed us? They did that with the banking crisis in 2007...subsequent loans, gaurantees and bailouts represent the largest single transfer of wealth in this country from ordinary people to the rich in history. And whos watch did this happen under....oh, the Labour party, who were so far up the **** of the bankers that they couldn't see daylight..as long as they got tax revenue from the banking sector to expand their client state (the public sector) they were happy to turn a blind eye to the bankers frauds.

And unions...gimme a break...ok they had a function 80 years ago but what are they now? another self serving interest group led by money grubbing pyscopaths who pretend to look after their members interests, making a show of grinding an imaginary prehistoric marxist ax, whilst they line their own pockets.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Clearly the answer is to drag down the working conditions of the public sector worker to the level of the private sector worker.

I mean increasing the compensation on offer to private sector workers, improving their working conditions and providing additional job security would lead us to the terrible situation where the richest 1% of the population would be less enriched by the labour of the poorest 99%.

If it wasn't for those blood sucking unions all you right wing nut jobs despise you'd still be working 14 hours a day for 7 days a week with no holiday.

Now in the post-Thatcher era when your own gutlessness and fear of standing up for yourself has resulted in the rich further screwing you and worsening your conditions, whilst enjoying record pay at a lower taxation rate, you start to blame the public sector. for your crappy life

The rich love people like you, put an artile in the Mail and play you like a fiddle.

Clearly that isn't the answer because it'll destroy productive private enterprise. The answer is for everything to be privately run, with wages and conditions driven down to the lowest level necessary to cling on to life.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

yes, let's tar all public sector workers with the same brush. Next time you're seriously let's hope the cuts don't mean that you're left dying on a hospital trolley. As for being overpaid, my private sector friends who I would consider intellectual equivalents, all get paid more and work less hours.

You see, there you go, defenders of the public sector always come up with this argument...the holy, blessed, sainted NHS..well before I fall to me knees and give obeisance before the altar of the martyred Consultant, exactly how many stories of NHS incompetence, lack of compassion, gross misuse of funds, MRSA, bodged operations and people lieing in thier own faeces unattended until they die of dehydration would you like?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You see, there you go, defenders of the public sector always come up with this argument...the holy, blessed, sainted NHS..well before I fall to me knees and give obeisance before the altar of the martyred Consultant, exactly how many stories of NHS incompetence, lack of compassion, gross misuse of funds, MRSA, bodged operations and people lieing in thier own faeces unattended until they die of dehydration would you like?

wow, clearly a Daily Mail fanatic. A few points.

1. The above problems do occur in the NHS but it's because of lack of funds in the right areas. Nurses looking after 12 patients, doctors looking after 40 patients, meeting targets that don't take into consideration the patient experience.

2. You seem to have an unshakable hatred of the NHS, yet i'm sure you would be the first to complain if the NHS was disbanded and you realised how much simple things like an X-ray or GP appointment costs.

3. The quality of doctors is going to declne significantly over the next decade because comparable professions such as architects, lawyers and engineer are paid more, have kinder working patterns and better perks. I shall be strongly advising my children to not become doctors.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

wow, clearly a Daily Mail fanatic. A few points.

1. The above problems do occur in the NHS but it's because of lack of funds in the right areas. Nurses looking after 12 patients, doctors looking after 40 patients, meeting targets that don't take into consideration the patient experience.

2. You seem to have an unshakable hatred of the NHS, yet i'm sure you would be the first to complain if the NHS was disbanded and you realised how much simple things like an X-ray or GP appointment costs.

3. The quality of doctors is going to declne significantly over the next decade because comparable professions such as architects, lawyers and engineer are paid more, have kinder working patterns and better perks. I shall be strongly advising my children to not become doctors.

And you divorced from the facts. The NHS is not short of money, it spends far more than comparative European health services, yet achieves a worse outcome.

The average GPs salary is now £118,000 a year, thats hardly a pittance.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

3. The quality of doctors is going to declne significantly over the next decade because comparable professions such as architects, lawyers and engineer are paid more, have kinder working patterns and better perks. I shall be strongly advising my children to not become doctors.

not true in the general sense - all these hit high 20s to mid 30s except in specialist niche roles, for comparable seniority to a GP AFAIK

Edited by Si1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Again, the facts of life:

Public Sector jobs are IMPORTANT - teachers, doctors, nurses, police, firefighters, binmen - that's why they're in the public sector and paid for centrally, they're essential for society to function.

Private Sector jobs aren't.

And no blarney about wealth creation either. Sending the same tenner round in a loop between a hairdresser, a barman and a laminated paperclip salesman isn't fooling anyone.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Again, the facts of life:

Public Sector jobs are IMPORTANT - teachers, doctors, nurses, police, firefighters, binmen - that's why they're in the public sector and paid for centrally, they're essential for society to function.

Private Sector jobs aren't.

And no blarney about wealth creation either. Sending the same tenner round in a loop between a hairdresser, a barman and a laminated paperclip salesman isn't fooling anyone.

Incredible, how bizzare that there are still people who think like this...one of the oddest comments I've ever read here...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

When I worked in the Public Sector the role meant I interacted with every single directorate (Social Services, Highways, Environment etc.) without question there was always somebody off on long-term sick that you needed to speak to. It was almost as if they deemed it their inalienable right to have a couple of months off. There was always people off sick and weirdly always a Monday. It's rare to find anybody like that in the large company I work for now. It was rampant, no matter how its sliced and diced by their defenders.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Man, if the public sector is so cushy why not just get a job there rather than complain about it.

Nothing wrong with good work place conditions.

If you can't get yourself educated enough or don't interview well enough to get a public sector job then learn the skills you require to get that job.

Otherwise remain in your current job but stop your whinging.

Some of us set our sights a bit higher in life... :D

Edited by Lucifer

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

And you divorced from the facts. The NHS is not short of money, it spends far more than comparative European health services, yet achieves a worse outcome.

The average GPs salary is now £118,000 a year, thats hardly a pittance.

Invented statistic alert !!!!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

yes, let's tar all public sector workers with the same brush. Next time you're seriously let's hope the cuts don't mean that you're left dying on a hospital trolley. As for being overpaid, my private sector friends who I would consider intellectual equivalents, all get paid more and work less hours.

shame they don't think the same way about you.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • 259 Brexit, House prices and Summer 2020

    1. 1. Including the effects Brexit, where do you think average UK house prices will be relative to now in June 2020?


      • down 5% +
      • down 2.5%
      • Even
      • up 2.5%
      • up 5%



×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.