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Motorhomes For Survivalists After Society Collapses

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It certainly ticks the green credentials box, but probably corners like a Range Rover (ok, that's an exaggeration).

Decent HPC mentalness though, nice find.

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Be a bugger to find that thing in the dark though, or daylight for that matter.

Joking aside though, buy a field, grow some "random box hedging" sorted. I suggest making a box hedging maze, loads of floor space make sure its mounted on wheels though 50k fine for illegal fixed abode :).

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Actually this has got me thinking. We are all aware of those chaps that build houses behind hay bales, hoping to exploit planning.

But they always planned to eventually reveal their houses, in order that they become "normal residences", and sellable. In other words it is a way to make super-normal profits on land without planning, not a way of getting a home.

What if you gave up on the money aspect, and just built a totally unsellable, totally, permanently disguised house? Get your mail delivered to a mailbox, have all services off-grid, use mobile telecommunications, and never show up on official radar.

On a slightly different premise.

I quite often day dream about winning / making (let's face it winning its less hard work) a big fat slag load of cash then building, what I guess might be best described as a 'bunker' that could be used in case of some sort of society ending scenario.

It's a good bunker.

However, I always come to the conclusion that eventually 'they' will find me and seize the 25 years worth of fuel / food / pornography that would be stashed there. This is assuming that 'they' will have access to the latest technology.

- What could be done to prevent 'them' finding you.

- Who the hell are 'they' anyway?

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What if you gave up on the money aspect, and just built a totally unsellable, totally, permanently disguised house? Get your mail delivered to a mailbox, have all services off-grid, use mobile telecommunications, and never show up on official radar.

Isn't "services off-grid" just TFH-jargon for "shitting in a bucket"?

I do know people who've lived like this. I'm sure you've met them. They're called "pikeys".

Or "crusties", or "convoy-people".

They do work quite hard, endlessly scouring the landscape for firewood, (pallets, skip-diving etc) or carting butane bottles back and forth.

If I was going to try and evade the all-consuming state's Eye of Sauron, the last thing I'd want hanging about is a tiny radio beacon.

Remember how Mossad used to give dumfuk Palestinian warlords a bell on their (boobytrapped) mobys? :lol:

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Interesting thoughts on this 'how to drop out ' essay, passed to me by a friend.

http://2012.tribe.net/thread/56808132-97cc-432d-89bd-abca2d394efc

The foundation of all this is to cultivate intense awareness of money. It doesn't grow on trees but you have millions of years of biological memory of a world where what you want does grow on trees, so you need to constantly remind yourself that whatever you're thinking of buying will cost you an hour, ten hours, 100 hours of dreary humiliating labor. Your expenses are your chains. Reducing them is not about punishing yourself or avoiding guilt -- it's about getting free.

If you continue to reduce expenses, eventually you'll come to the proverbial elephant in the parlor, the single giant expense that consumes 50-80% of a frugal person's money, enough to buy a small extravagant luxury every day. Of course, it's rent, or for you advanced slaves, mortgage. The only reason you can't just go find a vacant space and live there, the only reason another entity can be said to "own" it and require a huge monthly payment from whoever lives there, is to maintain a society of domination, to continually and massively redistribute influence (symbolized by money) from the powerless to the powerful, so the powerless are reduced to groveling for the alleged privilege of wage labor, doing what the powerful tell them in exchange for tokens which they turn around and pass back toward the powerful every month and think it's natural. Rent is theft and slavery, and mortgage is just as bad, based not only on the myth of "owning" space but also on the contrived custom of "interest," simply a command to give money (influence) to whoever has it and take it from whoever lacks it.

Fortunately there are still a lot of ways to dodge rent/mortgage other than refusing to pay or leave and being killed by the police. For surprisingly little money you can buy remote or depleted land and build a house on it. (see Mortgage Free! by Rob Roy, and also Finding and Buying Your Place in the Country by Les Scher) If you don't mind starting over with strangers, you can join an existing dropout community. (See the Communities Directory.) You can live in a van, camp in the woods, or look for a caretaker or apartment manager job. If you're charming, you can find a partner or spouse who will "support" you by permitting you to sleep and cook someplace without asking for money. And if you're bold or desperate, most cities have abandoned houses or buildings where you can squat. Mainly all you need are neighbors oblivious to your coming and going, a two-burner propane camp stove, some water jugs and candles, and a system for disposing of your bodily waste. If the "owners" come, they'll probably just ask you to leave, and in some places there are still archaic laws from compassionate times, making it legally difficult for them to evict you.

I squatted a shed for two weeks in December 2002 and if necessary I'll do it again. Also I have enough money saved to buy cheap land -- the project is just too big for me to do alone. Also I'm slowly learning wilderness survival -- which is iffy since wilderness itself is not surviving. But I spend most of my time surfing housesits and staying with friends and family.

To drop out is to become who you are. Do not feel guilty about using strengths and advantages that others do not have. That guilt is a holdover from the world of selfish competition, where your "success" means the failure or deprivation of someone else. In the dropout universe, your freedom feeds the freedom of others -- it's as if we've all been tied up, and the most agile and loosely tied people get out first, and then help the rest.

But what if they don't? What about people who are outside the system but still hyper-selfish? These people are not what I call "dropouts" but what I call "idiots." The view of this world as a war of all against all, where your purpose in life is to accumulate "wealth," zero-sum advantages and scarce resources for an exclusive "self," is the view of the elite. The only reason to think that way is if you are one of the handful of people in a position to win. For everyone else, the value system that makes sense is that you are here to help, to serve the greatest good that you can perceive. Yet in America, rich and poor alike are raised with robber baron consciousness, to turn us against each other, to keep us exploiting those below us instead of resisting our own exploiters, to keep all the arrows going the right way in the life-depleting machine.

The frugality that I'm talking about is the opposite of ungenerosity, because it frees us from a scarcity-based system in which we cannot afford to be generous. For all our lives we've been trained as prostitutes, demanding money in exchange for services that we should be giving free to those we love, because others demand the same of us. In this context, the dropout is a hero and a virus: if you no longer need money, you can give others what they need without asking for money, and then they no longer need money, and so on. In practice it's still sketchy because there are so few of us, but the more of us there are, and the more skills and goods and openings we offer, the better our gift economy will work. And if we do it right, they won't be able to just massacre us or put us in camps, as they've always done before, because we will have too many friends and relations in the dominant system.

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Actually this has got me thinking. We are all aware of those chaps that build houses behind hay bales, hoping to exploit planning.

But they always planned to eventually reveal their houses, in order that they become "normal residences", and sellable. In other words it is a way to make super-normal profits on land without planning, not a way of getting a home.

What if you gave up on the money aspect, and just built a totally unsellable, totally, permanently disguised house? Get your mail delivered to a mailbox, have all services off-grid, use mobile telecommunications, and never show up on official radar.

I think folks need to be a bit more imaginative /radical on the hidden small house / bunker front.

Off the top of my head a few rough ideas:

How about putting in a swimming pool, digging deeper & concealing a couple of buried 20/ 40' shipping containers below it, as half the hole would already be dug for the pool. False drain grids could be used to hide windows, access could be via the pools small pumphouse room floor. The swimming pool itself could be made from a topless container

IF a plastic cesspit was put in to a garden, put 2 in and use one as a bunker.

Personally, I am a fan of taking a short license on commercial premises & living there as a rent dodging exercise, I know folks who have got away with it for years. Particularly in the states.

Swimming pools made from shipping containers

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  • 140 Brexit, House prices and Summer 2020

    1. 1. Including the effects Brexit, where do you think average UK house prices will be relative to now in June 2020?


      • down 5% +
      • down 2.5%
      • Even
      • up 2.5%
      • up 5%



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