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There is stories from around America that on the final day of each month lines are forming near 12 midnight at the big box stores like Walmart which are open 24 hours a day. The stamps are no longer actual stamps, but electronic debit cards. At 12:01am on the first of each month the debit cards are refreshed. The people are hungry, as many have probably been out of food for days so go to line up.

It was obvious to me and the handful of automation gurus that the population needing government welfare for their sustenance would rise as technology automated jobs. Of course it hits those who are weakest first, like realize half the population has an IQ below 100, with many below 85 IQ. Many people have health problems, many are terrible at social interaction. As surplus workers are thrown off from countless industries they replace the least employable people in the lowest end jobs.

There is talk that the number on food stamps is rising at 1 million a month now. 40 million are on food stamps already. Including millions who work at the new jobs that capitalism is creating. At Walmart, the grocery stores, the 'temporary' jobs of small businessmen and so on. Pay so low that people cannot even afford food. But in a free market in labour if the value of labour gets devalued that is a rational outcome.

Another interesting aspect is millions of good citizens who believe in self-reliance, but who simply cannot find work enough to pay the basic cost of living are having to sign onto these government programs. Not just food stamps, but also housing assistance and medicare. More than 50% of US health spending is now by the government. By needing assistance themselves it is changing these peoples view of the state and their view of themselves in relation to the society.

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But, but Gordon told us that we were well placed in the UK to avoid any fallout from the global collapse??? :o

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There is stories from around America that on the final day of each month lines are forming near 12 midnight at the big box stores like Walmart which are open 24 hours a day. The stamps are no longer actual stamps, but electronic debit cards. At 12:01am on the first of each month the debit cards are refreshed. The people are hungry, as many have probably been out of food for days so go to line up.

It was obvious to me and the handful of automation gurus that the population needing government welfare for their sustenance would rise as technology automated jobs. Of course it hits those who are weakest first, like realize half the population has an IQ below 100, with many below 85 IQ. Many people have health problems, many are terrible at social interaction. As surplus workers are thrown off from countless industries they replace the least employable people in the lowest end jobs.

There is talk that the number on food stamps is rising at 1 million a month now. 40 million are on food stamps already. Including millions who work at the new jobs that capitalism is creating. At Walmart, the grocery stores, the 'temporary' jobs of small businessmen and so on. Pay so low that people cannot even afford food. But in a free market in labour if the value of labour gets devalued that is a rational outcome.

Another interesting aspect is millions of good citizens who believe in self-reliance, but who simply cannot find work enough to pay the basic cost of living are having to sign onto these government programs. Not just food stamps, but also housing assistance and medicare. More than 50% of US health spending is now by the government. By needing assistance themselves it is changing these peoples view of the state and their view of themselves in relation to the society.

all that government spending....not helped the ones that need help.

trickle down doesnt work when those at the top keep it all themselves.

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all that government spending....not helped the ones that need help.

trickle down doesnt work when those at the top keep it all themselves.

Trickle down is one of the stupidist ideas I have heard of.

Its like if you have 700 billion dollars to give out to stimulate the economy. Do you give 2,300$ to every American, so a family of 4 would get 9,200$. Or do you give it all to a small group of bankers and hope it trickles down?

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There is stories from around America that on the final day of each month lines are forming near 12 midnight at the big box stores like Walmart which are open 24 hours a day. The stamps are no longer actual stamps, but electronic debit cards. At 12:01am on the first of each month the debit cards are refreshed. The people are hungry, as many have probably been out of food for days so go to line up.

It was obvious to me and the handful of automation gurus that the population needing government welfare for their sustenance would rise as technology automated jobs. Of course it hits those who are weakest first, like realize half the population has an IQ below 100, with many below 85 IQ. Many people have health problems, many are terrible at social interaction. As surplus workers are thrown off from countless industries they replace the least employable people in the lowest end jobs.

There is talk that the number on food stamps is rising at 1 million a month now. 40 million are on food stamps already. Including millions who work at the new jobs that capitalism is creating. At Walmart, the grocery stores, the 'temporary' jobs of small businessmen and so on. Pay so low that people cannot even afford food. But in a free market in labour if the value of labour gets devalued that is a rational outcome.

Another interesting aspect is millions of good citizens who believe in self-reliance, but who simply cannot find work enough to pay the basic cost of living are having to sign onto these government programs. Not just food stamps, but also housing assistance and medicare. More than 50% of US health spending is now by the government. By needing assistance themselves it is changing these peoples view of the state and their view of themselves in relation to the society.

Very interesting video posted on here some time back, a Jefferson Memorial Lecture entitled: "The Coming Collapse of the Middle Classes". This charts the slow collapse of the US middle class since the early 70s and says that an increasing standard of living has only occurred because more women are having to work, people are much more in debt and are having to work much harder. It's all there and we're not going back either; this is a long secular trend.

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Very interesting video posted on here some time back, a Jefferson Memorial Lecture entitled: "The Coming Collapse of the Middle Classes". This charts the slow collapse of the US middle class since the early 70s and says that an increasing standard of living has only occurred because more women are having to work, people are much more in debt and are having to work much harder. It's all there and we're not going back either; this is a long secular trend.

America has clloepsed long ago only no one dare to annouce it dead for the fear of it holding many at ransom.

Lets wait & see when Asia start dumping $$$, thats when real panic will start.

Not very far by the looks of it.

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Very interesting video posted on here some time back, a Jefferson Memorial Lecture entitled: "The Coming Collapse of the Middle Classes". This charts the slow collapse of the US middle class since the early 70s and says that an increasing standard of living has only occurred because more women are having to work, people are much more in debt and are having to work much harder. It's all there and we're not going back either; this is a long secular trend.

That might have been Elizabeth Warren who was a professor at Harvard I believe and did a great job of collecting and comparing the statistics.

As productivity rose from the 70's until today.. in many industries huge productivity rises, there should have been rising real wages. Instead there was stagnation and now outright falls in real wages. This was substituted by the increasing debt, bringing women into the workforce(with the not surprising following fall in fertility), and now things like renting out part of the family home.

I think it will be hard to reverse.. because one thing the powers that be have done is make it so very bright and ambitious people can easily become part of the rich group. Become a dentist, vet, pharmacist, doctor, accountant or lawyer. The 5% of the population that is the professional class.

But it is exactly these very bright and ambitious people that you need to lead a revolution. The masses of stupid and average people could never organize and put in place a revolution.

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Or is this just another internet legend ?

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5BH2C220091218

Midnight in the food-stamp economy

(Reuters) - At 11 p.m. on the last day of the month, shoppers flock to the nearest Walmart. They load their carts with food and household items and wait for the midnight hour. That's when food stamp credits are loaded on their electronic benefits transfer cards.

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That article had some shocking parts..

Like Contraeras, other food-stamp beneficiaries appear to waste little time cashing in their benefits. According to J.P. Morgan which administers EBT programs for more than 20 states, 85 percent of food stamps are depleted within the first three days they are available.

Companies like Walmart and Kroger now talk about a sales bump on those days, a phenomenon that more than a decade ago inspired a song by hip hop group Bone Thugs-n-Harmony called "1st of tha Month."

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Trickle down is one of the stupidist ideas I have heard of.

Its like if you have 700 billion dollars to give out to stimulate the economy. Do you give 2,300$ to every American, so a family of 4 would get 9,200$. Or do you give it all to a small group of bankers and hope it trickles down?

Too true which is why the gap between rich and poor has increased YOY since the industrial revolution. Interestingly, the trickle down effect does work to some extent in non Anglo-Saxon economies but in the US/Europe it's the trickle up effect and sod the little guy.

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More than 40 million now use food stamps, up 21% from one year earlier:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2010/06/03/more_than_40m_now_use_food_stamps/

One prediction some of us automation gurus made is that in time a growing percent of the population would rely on the state for their sustenance. Food, health care, housing, welfare money.. of course schooling and day care for their kids. Including state provided meals for their children.

Looking at the USDA website the cost per participant is also rising. From an average of 84$ per participant in 2003 to 124$ in 2009.

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The image of the starving family doesn't ring true. None of them are what I would describe as slim, and there is fruit in the fruit bowl...

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That article had some shocking parts..

85 percent of food stamps are depleted within the first three days they are available

But that would happen though wouldn't it? ie: I get my Tesco's vouchers and spend them before I spend my own money. ie: within days.

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As productivity rose from the 70's until today.. in many industries huge productivity rises, there should have been rising real wages. Instead there was stagnation and now outright falls in real wages.

Many people do not understand what "productivity" in economics means and think that any increase in economic "productivity" is a good thing since they confuse the normal concept ot productivity with the economic concept.

The normal concept of an increase in productivity is if for example you breed a cow that produces twice as much milk on the same food. An increase in productivity of product production in economic terms is a reducion in the amount of money inputed to get the same product. Now a cow that produced twice as much milk for the same food would also be more productive in economic terms. However there other ways to increase economic productivity which have little to do with the normal concept of increases in productivity. If you consider an old style farm you could also increase economic productivity by:

  • Cutting milk maids pay.

  • Fire some milk maids and whip the rest to work faster.

  • Increase the price of milk

  • Sell the milking shed and have milking take place outside

  • At night steal cows from neighboring farms, milk them and send them back

  • Water down the milk as much as is you can without people noticing

All of the above methods of increasing economic productivity are probably easier to do than making a new cow that is twice as good at producing milk, however in the long term it is only increases in real as opposed to only economic productivity that will ultimately get society to a better situation where living is easier. Real increases in productivity are most likey to come from scientists and engineers coming up with ways of doing things that are just better than was possible previously.

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Many people do not understand what "productivity" in economics means and think that any increase in economic "productivity" is a good thing since they confuse the normal concept ot productivity with the economic concept.

The normal concept of an increase in productivity is if for example you breed a cow that produces twice as much milk on the same food. An increase in productivity of product production in economic terms is a reducion in the amount of money inputed to get the same product. Now a cow that produced twice as much milk for the same food would also be more productive in economic terms. However there other ways to increase economic productivity which have little to do with the normal concept of increases in productivity. If you consider an old style farm you could also increase economic productivity by:

  • Cutting milk maids pay.

  • Fire some milk maids and whip the rest to work faster.

  • Increase the price of milk

  • Sell the milking shed and have milking take place outside

  • At night steal cows from neighboring farms, milk them and send them back

  • Water down the milk as much as is you can without people noticing

All of the above methods of increasing economic productivity are probably easier to do than making a new cow that is twice as good at producing milk, however in the long term it is only increases in real as opposed to only economic productivity that will ultimately get society to a better situation where living is easier. Real increases in productivity are most likey to come from scientists and engineers coming up with ways of doing things that are just better than was possible previously.

Good clarification. I consider productivity as real output per hour worked. Which is sometimes fairly hard to calculate. For example imagine factory workers who are producing 4 times as much as they were 30 years ago per hour worked. But on the other hand the capital cost of the equipment they are working with is 50% more expensive in inflation adjusted terms.

However there are big pictures things that are sometimes easier to see. For example in Pennsylvania there are what appears to be ghost towns. Cities that once had about 35,000 residents but today only a few thousand. Yet the steel mill at the center of the town is still at the production it was 50 years ago. Just the number of workers employed by teh steel company per tonne of steel produced has declined by 90%. Where once they needed 10,000 workers, today only 1,000.

Another one where there is quite accurate information on is farming. Even since the year 2000 which is not that long ago, the percentage of farmers in America has declined from 3% of the workforce to 1.9%.

Some other areas the productivity is not that much higher, for example long haul trucking is not much more efficient than 20 years ago. In time it will be automated but the technology is not there yet.

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There is stories ...

... It was obvious to me and the handful of automation gurus that the population needing government welfare for their sustenance.... weakest first, like realize half the population has an IQ below 100, with many below 85 IQ.

...believe in self-reliance, but who simply cannot find work enough to pay the basic cost of living

You're not even conditionally literate. Why should I believe a word of what you say?

I suppose you'll claim benefit of "dyslexia", like all the other IT geniuses on here.

"Automation guru" my ****.

If you give credence after even five minutes' thought to all that "IQ" horseshit, then you really ought to seek help.

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How can this be? I keep on reading about stellar economic growth in the USA :lol:

Don't worry, they're predicting continued growth!

"An average of 40.5 million people, more than an eighth of the population, will get food stamps each month in the year that began Oct. 1, according to White House estimates. The figure is projected to rise to 43.3 million in 2011"

Oh.

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Don't worry, they're predicting continued growth!

"An average of 40.5 million people, more than an eighth of the population, will get food stamps each month in the year that began Oct. 1, according to White House estimates. The figure is projected to rise to 43.3 million in 2011"

Oh.

Those who run these schemes will be pleased.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Economy/story?id=7452561

Food Stamps Create Jobs… in India

Several States With High Unemployment Are Outsourcing Food Stamp Services

Michele Brown has seen Americans' struggles with jobs first hand. She lives in hard-hit Florida, spent 20 years in the real estate business and recently had her days as a nanny cut back after her boss had his own hours reduced.

Several states with high unemployment rates are outsourcing their food stamp services to call centers in India, angering many residents. Michele Brown learned about Florida's outsourcing when she called regarding a problem with her benefits.

(ABC News Photo Illustration)

But nothing prepared her for what happened one day when she called a toll-free line to inquire about her food stamps.

"The woman who answered the phone -- it's not like she wasn't nice or anything -- but it was kind of evident that she wasn't in the States," Brown said.

It turns out the woman was at a JP Morgan Chase call center in India.

"That really put me over the edge," said Brown, 52, of Jupiter, Fla. "It's not right because we need the work here. People are in a bad way here."

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