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If we are devolving, does it matter? Most roles in society require only stupid drones to fill and it's getting worse as the world is more globalised and centrally controlled. As long as a relative smattering of sly schemers and tech-heads manage to reproduce then that's all that's required.

The middle classes with their Volvos, villages fetes, visits to art galleries and polite children serve no purpose going forward. Even many of those dubbed middle class these days are dumb as ******, only interested in shopping and have barely a book in their houses.

It's all pure Fabianism, of course. Here's the LSE's take:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6057734.stm

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If the average person became as intelligent as Einstein, would the world be a better place?

'Intelligence' is only one aspect of someone being useful. He was probably useless at putting a BBQ together.

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If the average person became as intelligent as Einstein, would the world be a better place?

Uh yeah, on the basis that the 5% at the top end of the curve will really be motoring with the science we need for the next phase and there will be plenty of people to implement stuff in the next quartile. The others can be given books to read and stuff, kick back and have a BBQ, dumb down a little, read and philosophise. It'd be groovy.

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Uh yeah, on the basis that the 5% at the top end of the curve will really be motoring with the science we need for the next phase and there will be plenty of people to implement stuff in the next quartile. The others can be given books to read and stuff, kick back and have a BBQ, dumb down a little, read and philosophise. It'd be groovy.

It's an interesting point though. I mean how much work actually really needs to be done to keep our society ticking over. How much of what we do is just wasted time?

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I think it is an interesting subject but my conclusion would be "no". The real problem is defining what is "good" and hence what is "bad". Natural selection only uses "what will survive?" as a criteria and that is probably the best when all is said and done.

We are living in a time when the breeding of intelligence is discouraged and although this appears nuts it is probably just one phase of a long evolution. When a society emerges that encourages the breeding of intelligence and if intelligence is indeed a good thing for survival then that society will flourish. It does appear that our present society encourages "dumb" people to breed but the "dumb" are being labelled by the non-breeders and when all the non-breeders are gone who will be the "smart" bunch then? If a society does not produce "smart" people who also breed then just how "smart" is that society? Time for a new one don't you think?

Natural selection will take care of it all. Always has. Probably always will.

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'Intelligence' is only one aspect of someone being useful. He was probably useless at putting a BBQ together.

So as we become more intelligent, we lose our BBQ making skills?

Obviously everybody would have different interests and would put their intelligence to use in different ways.

I'm not limiting the discussion to intelligence anyway.

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Is the human race devolving?

Possibly, welfare and "free" medical treatment is probably removing some positive selection pressure. I'm not sure a political party advocating letting the chavs starve is going to get very far though.

Is eugenics the answer?

Eugenics was a popular concept with many socialists pre WWII, but one particular socialist in Germany did rather put people off the idea...

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Possibly, welfare and "free" medical treatment is probably removing some positive selection pressure. I'm not sure a political party advocating letting the chavs starve is going to get very far though.

Eugenics was a popular concept with many socialists pre WWII, but one particular socialist in Germany did rather put people off the idea...

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Except he wasn't a socialist.

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Except he wasn't a socialist.

Not exactly a small-government libertarian free marketeer either was he? The Nazi party (and the Italian Fascists) evolved from, and were influenced by, socialism.

Nazi Party = National Socialist German Workers' Party = Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei

Leader 1921–1945 Adolf Hitler

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Not exactly a small-government libertarian free marketeer either was he? The Nazi party (and the Italian Fascists) evolved from, and were influenced by, socialism.

Nazi Party = National Socialist German Workers' Party = Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei

Leader 1921–1945 Adolf Hitler

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So if I set up a party called "The Northern English Conservative Party" and start having socialist policies, does that make my party conservative?

Just because it's called something doesn't mean it is.

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So if I set up a party called "The Northern English Conservative Party" and start having socialist policies, does that make my party conservative?

Just because it's called something doesn't mean it is.

"Does that make my party conservative?" No, it makes you a liar (by misusing the term conservative). If your new party had many similar policies to the real Conservative party, then Conservative would be a fair label.

The point remains that Nazism was at the very least close to 'proper' socialism in its aims and motivations. Close enough that modern socialists campaigning for election ought to be prepared to explain why this time it will be different.

Why Nazism Was Socialism: http://mises.org/daily/1937

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"Does that make my party conservative?" No, it makes you a liar (by misusing the term conservative). If your new party had many similar policies to the real Conservative party, then Conservative would be a fair label.

The point remains that Nazism was at the very least close to 'proper' socialism in its aims and motivations. Close enough that modern socialists campaigning for election ought to be prepared to explain why this time it will be different.

Why Nazism Was Socialism: http://mises.org/daily/1937

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Your first paragraph I will agree with.

The rest is rot.

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Except he wasn't a socialist.

He kind of was though.

Hitler (at least cosmetically) stood for a lot of policies that were basically socialist in nature.

Work creation, government micromanagement of business, state interference in people's lives, doing the right thing by the "common man". All these are basically socialist ideas. What made them nazis was the nationalist stuff. The socialist bit is IMO applicable.

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He kind of was though.

Hitler (at least cosmetically) stood for a lot of policies that were basically socialist in nature.

Work creation, government micromanagement of business, state interference in people's lives, doing the right thing by the "common man". All these are basically socialist ideas. What made them nazis was the nationalist stuff. The socialist bit is IMO applicable.

Perhaps.

But claiming he was a pure socialist (people tend not to mention the nationalist stuff) is like claiming our current Government is pure Tory.

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They weren't exactly libertarians though, were they?

It's not a line from left to right.

There's a second axis at 90 degrees labelled AUTHORITARIAN and LIBERTARIAN.

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It's not a line from left to right.

There's a second axis at 90 degrees labelled AUTHORITARIAN and LIBERTARIAN.

There is indeed and IIRC the other one is labelled LEFT and RIGHT.

Hitler and friends were authoritarian and basically left wing which makes them socialists.

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