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Why no political parties try to use this anger to have a go at Brown is beyond me, but seems that writing your MP to have a pop at the SIPPs proposal is now well worth while.

Looks like links to the story from the Front Page, UK, England, and Business pages have been removed. They wouldn't want to upset anyone now would they :rolleyes:

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Maybe Brown wants people to take up SIPPs and buy property and screw up their own pensions. Then he can hide the fact that it's him that's actually screwed pensions, by blaming those with SIPPs for their own problems.

EDITED for sloppy punctuation. Tut tut.

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Good to see some non-HPC people speak-up in the mainstream.

"In short this is absolutely outrageous. Second homes have already helped destroy village communities and this will just take it one step further. When at Aldeburgh carnival last week I met more Londoners than Local people. It's a payout not a tax break!

Edmund Hawes, Suffolk"

"This isn't just a rural issue - the buy-to-let menace has sent property values in cities for years too. These people should be paying more tax, not less, and a Labour government should be more concerned about helping people get their own homes, not enabling the rich to get richer.

Bobby, South-East London"

"What a disastrous idea. It is ludicrous to give even more incentives for wealthy retired people, who have already benefited from high property prices, to price first-time buyers and families out of the homes they need.

David James, Surrey, UK"

This bloke sounds like soem of the bulls on this site.

"The same people that whinge about second-homers are the ones opposing every planning application to build new houses in the green belt or national parks or indeed anywhere outside conurbations. They sustain the very shortage they bemoan.

Don, London "

That's right Don, we're all 'whingers'. Tw@t.

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And our two face apology of a government has the cheek to villify Mugabe for making people homeless.

Hmmmmmmmmm I smell revolution in the air

Hows does that NuLabour con song go again .....things can only get better :rolleyes:

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"The same people that whinge about second-homers are the ones opposing every planning application to build new houses in the green belt or national parks or indeed anywhere outside conurbations. They sustain the very shortage they bemoan.

Don, London "

That's right Don, we're all 'whingers'. Tw@t.

What a muppet. Surely second homers are more likely to be annoyed by social housing appearing next door?

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Why no political parties try to use this anger to have a go at Brown is beyond me, but seems that writing your MP to have a pop at the SIPPs proposal is now well worth while.

Anything to keep fresh money flowing into what amounts to a pyramid scheme, gotta keep the cycle going, even if it has a little short lived political cost.

I said yesterday :-

Where is the new batch of money coming from? All pyramid schemes require fresh liquidity to keep the good times rolling, the FTB'er are either priced out or disinterested, BTL isn't showing any capital gain, sales are falling through preventing people mortgaging up the chain, the banks or HA don't want to risk any of their money and the government doesn't do housing.

The VI's are already spinning for SIPP's and further rate cuts... what else can prop it up? It can only be overt government money

The 40% tax break is the overt government money, this is the last stage of desperation for somebody who should of got into No 10 two years ago.

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Maybe the reason the media isn't covering the whole house fiasco very much is because they know that they'll get more blood if they wait for the big hitters to return from holiday. It'd be all too easy at the moent to release the odd post-it note response to test the water, then deny anything had been said.

The opposition parties must smell it too.

/G

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Has anybody noticed that there are no links to the "have your say" on second homes on the "have your say" page?

The only way of seeing the comments is by clicking on the small link to view the comments at the bottom of the page. Normally you see all the comments at the bottom of the story.

Not that it is being hidden of course...

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It's a typical British attitude. One of which I unfortunately fall into. Instead of doing something about this outrageous policy we sit in our homes talking about it on website forums.

I for one would be quite happy to join any party or group who plan to fight this policy.

I find it unbelievable that a labour government is the one introducing this.

It's a scandal of the same proportions as the poll tax. But what are we doing. NOTHING

Therefore we deserve it.

In the meantime the fat rich 'what, what, what' section of our society get richer and richer.

What next.

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It's a typical British attitude. One of which I unfortunately fall into. Instead of doing something about this outrageous policy we sit in our homes talking about it on website forums.

I for one would be quite happy to join any party or group who plan to fight this policy.

I find it unbelievable that a labour government is the one introducing this.

It's a scandal of the same proportions as the poll tax. But what are we doing. NOTHING

Therefore we deserve it.

In the meantime the fat rich 'what, what, what' section of our society get richer and richer.

What next.

Actually, it's not much to worry about, this is all about sentiment, SIPP's will save the day, yay!

Unfortunatley they're unduly complicated and expensive to set up with all sorts of other nasty tax implications The Beeb did a programme about this.

Rural housing has been a long running thing that Elinor Goodman is looking into as chair to a new government commission, SIPP's don't exist yet so it's a storm in a tea cup. SIPP's will be a side issue when everything goes tit-ups, who would put their money into this market even with tax breaks (which equally apply to equities).

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Guest Time 2 raise Interest Rates

INQUIRY INTO TAX BREAKS ON SECOND HOMES.

An official watchdog is to investigate Gordon Brown's controversial plans to give

valuable tax perks on holiday homes, writes Joe Murphy.

It will look into fears tax breaks of up to 40% will cause a housing boom in beauty

spots and result in rich city dwellers buying up the countryside.

From April, buy-to-let properties bought as part of a pension portfolio [sIPPs]

will qualify for top-rate tax relief.

Elinor Goodman, chairman of the Affordable Rural Homes Commission, said the

new policy will be investigated for a report due next March, as countryside workers

fear being priced out of thier own communities.

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This is terrible journalism, the story only mentions "SIPPS" once, and doesn't look at all the problems and restrictions of SIPPS. Any 'fool' may read it as being any pension fund can do this.

However, it just once again serves the VIs, by making home owners feeling rich, even the comments probably make alot of homeowners feel 'smug'.

One thing with SIPPS that has never been mentioned is if there is a 'mini boom' as the VIs predict, where the money going to come from? If the government pays up to 40% of the purchase, won't there be massive cash flow problems in the government finances?

I won't go into SIPPS being a 'red herring' as its been covered times on here. But the way it is being talked about in the media makes people think there will be more demand, i.e. no problems with the housing market!

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<Oddball Daily Mail reading HPC.co.uk contingent response>

THE LABOUR PARTY ARE TRYING TO HELP THE RICH BECAUSE THEY ARE SOCIALISTS!!!!

</Oddball Daily Mail reading HPC.co.uk contingent response>

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You bet there's rage out there - even the political parties you would imagine might do something are failing to tackle the issue. Here in Wales, Plaid Cymru used the Eisteddfod to concentrate on Land Trusts. What about second homes for God's sake!

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<Oddball Daily Mail reading HPC.co.uk contingent response>

THE LABOUR PARTY ARE TRYING TO HELP THE RICH BECAUSE THEY ARE SOCIALISTS!!!!

</Oddball Daily Mail reading HPC.co.uk contingent response>

COAB

what prompted your post? Do you mean the labour party are socialists or the rich are socialists? Either way, I see the irony. But I feel I am missing something.... :blink:

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One of the posters above asked what people can do about it other than talking.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berkshire/3512057.stm

If there was a national website for this issue perhaps this would have a real effect.

Its quite a broad issue which many people object to, so it would not take much effort to deselect any Labour MP from standing at the next general election if they vote to support this issue.

This has been done for many smaller issues.

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Guest Charlie The Tramp
He was chosen despite two convictions for indecency in 1989 and 1995, which he said his party colleagues and the public were fully aware of.

The mind boggles. :blink:

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Why no political parties try to use this anger to have a go at Brown is beyond me, but seems that writing your MP to have a pop at the SIPPs proposal is now well worth while.

If you do feel strongly about this then email your MP. Believe me it can work, I once got a decision of the local council's overturned by writting to my MP (who obviously had a word in a couple of her parties council members ears).

I also got several replies in envelopes marked House of Commons which impressed my postie no end :)

her's a link to all MPs, many with email address's - remember to put your name and postcode in any correspondence as they do like to know you are one of their potential voters.

http://www.parliament.uk/directories/hciolists/alms.cfm

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just emailed my filthy MP, Dobbo. Hate that man. I wouldn't vote for him even if he was the only person alive with half a brain.

The thing i really hate about Nu labour is that they pretend to be one thing when they are totally something else. At least be honest about what you are. NuLab is so full of lies that it wouldn't know the truth if it came up to them and planted a big kiss on its ugly medussa head.

Rant over

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I just emailed my MP, Nick Harvey:

Transcript:

Dear Mr Harvey,

I am writing to express my disgust with the new SIPPs scheme to be brought into force next year by Gordon Brown. There is already a very serious problem in touristic areas such as North Devon regarding the influx of second home owners, who push up prices and exclude local people on relatively much lower wages from owning their own property.

It is obvious to all and sundry now that the ponzi-scheme that is the housing bubble is a serious imbalance in our economy and is soon going to go 'pop'. Gordon Brown must surely realise this, and he also probably realises (unless he really is as stupid as he sometimes seems) that the consequences for the UK 'economy' would be disastrous. It is therefore apparent that he is using this SIPPs scheme as a vehicle to help prop up the property market, which is now teetering on the edge in the absence of fresh liquidity in the form of first time buyers. Furthermore, he is effectively using public money to do so (at a time when he can ill-afford to do so), and even more disgustingly the scheme is entirely aimed at those people rich enough to already afford second homes - this will lead to further marginalisation of poorer people in North Devon and other areas whose dream of a home of their own will slip further from their grasp.

If ever there was a political issue important to North Devon constituents, and suitable to be fought against by a Liberal Democrat, it is this one. I therefore implore you to take this issue and do something about it!

Kind Regards,

Marko << (not my real name obviously!)

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It's a typical British attitude. One of which I unfortunately fall into. Instead of doing something about this outrageous policy we sit in our homes talking about it on website forums.

I for one would be quite happy to join any party or group who plan to fight this policy.

I find it unbelievable that a labour government is the one introducing this.

It's a scandal of the same proportions as the poll tax. But what are we doing. NOTHING

Therefore we deserve it.

In the meantime the fat rich 'what, what, what' section of our society get richer and richer.

What next.

The pressure is building, the anger growing ... are you guys on the edge of doing something other than posting here?

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The pressure is building, the anger growing ... are you guys on the edge of doing something other than posting here?

Too right!!

Also, how do you find out who your local MP is and their e-mail address?

Edited by OzzMosiz

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I just emailed my MP, Nick Harvey:

Transcript:

Dear Mr Harvey,

I am writing to express my disgust with the new SIPPs scheme to be brought into force next year by Gordon Brown. There is already a very serious problem in touristic areas such as North Devon regarding the influx of second home owners, who push up prices and exclude local people on relatively much lower wages from owning their own property.

It is obvious to all and sundry now that the ponzi-scheme that is the housing bubble is a serious imbalance in our economy and is soon going to go 'pop'. Gordon Brown must surely realise this, and he also probably realises (unless he really is as stupid as he sometimes seems) that the consequences for the UK 'economy' would be disastrous. It is therefore apparent that he is using this SIPPs scheme as a vehicle to help prop up the property market, which is now teetering on the edge in the absence of fresh liquidity in the form of first time buyers. Furthermore, he is effectively using public money to do so (at a time when he can ill-afford to do so), and even more disgustingly the scheme is entirely aimed at those people rich enough to already afford second homes - this will lead to further marginalisation of poorer people in North Devon and other areas whose dream of a home of their own will slip further from their grasp.

If ever there was a political issue important to North Devon constituents, and suitable to be fought against by a Liberal Democrat, it is this one. I therefore implore you to take this issue and do something about it!

Kind Regards,

Marko << (not my real name obviously!)

Brilliant! Maybe this second home thing is just the thing to concentrate on as in areas like yours most local people (not just young people) are against it.

Why not encourage everyone you know to write a similar letter? If your MP got 100 letters like that he would begin to take notice.

If you formed an association - if you lobbied the local press - they love stories like this - ask local shopkeepers to let you put a poster up. Do a bit of fly posting - submit articles to the local press every couple of weeks - ask for a meeting with your MP - just get a ball rolling and keep it rolling - demonstrate outside the council offices (making sure the press are there of course) etc etc.

You just need to DO it.

Good luck.

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