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Why Are Left Wingers/socialists Hated So Much?

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Lets face it no one is going to vote any goverment in the UK which is any way too far left. The Labour Party had to become New Labour to get elected. No one wants to turn the UK into a socialist state -but a bit of human decency for the poor, old and working people like you and me.

It seems talk of raising the minimum wage, or for example lowering tax for lower earners , or raising pensions - Providing a basic standard of living for everyone is opposed or seen as an alien concept. You would have thought any half decent human being would say if a person does a weeks work then they have the right to reasonable wage - you will get people who earn maybe slightly higher than average wages - but still they oppose a minimum wage. having decent pension for those in old age who have worked all their life - again opposed - i just don't get people who hate anything remotely socialist in the UK.

I could understand if your very wealthy, then there is a good chance you would hate these things - but I often find the attitude in people who earn pretty low to average salaries - they read the sun, they want tax cuts- which will make minimal difference to them. We even see it in the newspapers, with them hoping for an increase houseprices. It seems in the UK most believe that someday they will be very wealthy despite the fact that they are no where near that - but the vast majority of them won't - but they NEVER get it - to actually say to them your going to end up working in with a pretty average salary for the rest of your life would be greeted with horror. They look up to people who earn more than them, look down on those who earn less than them. Its like the only thing they respect is selfishness and greed. Perhaps its just the human mindset to believe that some I will make it someday.

It just seems that most of us vote and act against our interests.

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I see around 99% of the population as sheeple, regardless of class. In fact, class defines them.

- underclass i.e. chavs. Highly dependent on benefits. But have been let down by successive governments. Ultimately, they have no ambition and are happy to consume. Have absolutely no desire to better themselves and would rather blame others.

- middle class. Who are the middle class everyone talks about? Basically, they are boomers and their children, and employed. Consumerist. Think they are better than the underclass and deserve more.

- the rich. Mostly smart. If you're not smart, you would have p1ssed your own money away already.

- classless - Don't fit into the first two but probably think more like the third. I count myself in this class.

The first two make up 95%+. They are the sheeple. They care about nothing except themselves. They expect everything and are unwilling to do anything for it. They don't believe that you can achieve anything in life you set your mind to.

They complain that politicians are corrupt and broken when really that is just a symptom that THEY THEMSELVES are broken. They just want someone else to blame.

The above is uniquely British btw. Of course, other countries have sheeple too, but in a different way.

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....I could understand if your very wealthy, then there is a good chance you would hate these things - but I often find the attitude in people who earn pretty low to average salaries - they read the sun, they want tax cuts- which will make minimal difference to them. ....

Its the politics of envy. Losers are jealous of people that have less than them. All the wealthy people I know are too busy getting rich (or richer should I say) to care about anyone else or what they have.

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For me its because they like to make themselves feel good by bringing someone else's standard of living up by bringing mine and anyone else who works hard down. They are very generous with other peoples money.

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I see around 99% of the population as sheeple, regardless of class. In fact, class defines them.

- underclass i.e. chavs. Highly dependent on benefits. But have been let down by successive governments. Ultimately, they have no ambition and are happy to consume. Have absolutely no desire to better themselves and would rather blame others.

- middle class. Who are the middle class everyone talks about? Basically, they are boomers and their children, and employed. Consumerist. Think they are better than the underclass and deserve more.

- the rich. Mostly smart. If you're not smart, you would have p1ssed your own money away already.

- classless - Don't fit into the first two but probably think more like the third. I count myself in this class.

The first two make up 95%+. They are the sheeple. They care about nothing except themselves. They expect everything and are unwilling to do anything for it. They don't believe that you can achieve anything in life you set your mind to.

They complain that politicians are corrupt and broken when really that is just a symptom that THEY THEMSELVES are broken. They just want someone else to blame.

The above is uniquely British btw. Of course, other countries have sheeple too, but in a different way.

You not in the least judgemental are you, where do you get your facts?

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I use this analogy to compare the behavior of people who are willing to better themselves and suceed in life with those who we could call "socialists" who wish for society to have "equal outcomes for all": if you put 10 of the first group into a bucket, they would help each other to climb out; if you put 10 of the latter into a bucket, none will ever get out -- just as one gets a hand-hold on the rim, the others would pull him back down.

As an old man once told me about life in the former Soviet Union: "Under communism, it was every man for himself."

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Socialists constantly try to frame the debate in terms of 'need' whilst ignoring 'merit'. For them, a man that works 2 shifts is no more deserving of more money than any other because his needs are the same. If you clean your house and I do not clean mine, you have a cleaner house than me, which is, to them, unfair.

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Why Are Left Wingers/socialists Hated So Much?

I think it's the whole philosophy of "I don't have as much as everybody else.. they should give me theirs".

And, of the leaders "Common people aren't clever enough to know what they want or how to do it, we'll do it for them because we know best" which usually results in "What we need in this country is more regulation".

There is of course a balance.. I presume most people think it's swung too far.

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You can not be serious!!

Why, 'tis 'cos the sosherlists are baaad fairies,

Who make the good try-my-vewwy-vewwy-best fairies cry

By telling them how they will never become rich,

Because evil leprechauns are already sitting on all the pots of gold

And will belabour them with their shillelaghs if they even look at them funny.

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Christ, what a depressing thread; gauging by the reaction of most people.

I'm a firm believer in socialism however I also recognise that such a system is diametrically opposed to the powers that be. As the OP points out; ironically, those that would be best served by a fairer society are also those that are vehemently opposed to it. Oh, and New Labour are in no way socialist....

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Don't any of you lot formulate an opinion of your own? There is not one thing I've read on this thread about human nature that is attributed to the left that not couldn't appy to anybody

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And most of those soap dodging scumbags that protest at the drop of a hat about anything tend to be Socialists. The only good thing about most Socialist countries is that these people would get beaten to f**k.

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I'm a firm believer in socialism

I thought you were a poor Northerner who left to seek his fortune in London.. that sounds pretty capitalist to me :P

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I thought you were a poor Northerner who left to seek his fortune in London.. that sounds pretty capitalist to me :P

Nah, I sought to impregnate a southerner and succeeded - call it insurrection.....

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And most of those soap dodging scumbags that protest at the drop of a hat about anything tend to be Socialists. The only good thing about most Socialist countries is that these people would get beaten to f**k.

Nice, perhaps I saw you on the CND marches in 83?

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You not in the least judgemental are you, where do you get your facts?

This is simply an opinion, based on my own view of the world. Nothing more, nothing less. Evidence doesn't even come into it, and I have no motivation to even try to prove any of it to anyone.

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This is simply an opinion, based on my own view of the world. Nothing more, nothing less. Evidence doesn't even come into it, and I have no motivation to even try to prove any of it to anyone.

fair comment, but where do you get your percentages from?

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I think it's the whole philosophy of "I don't have as much as everybody else.. they should give me theirs".

And, of the leaders "Common people aren't clever enough to know what they want or how to do it, we'll do it for them because we know best" which usually results in "What we need in this country is more regulation".

There is of course a balance.. I presume most people think it's swung too far.

That's about right I think.

On a more philosophical level, I think it boils down to envy vs. greed. Human nature encompasses both but one is much more damaging than the other. It's possible to be greedy at the same time as increasing wealth for everyone - Adam Smith called it enlightened self-interest. It's not possible to be envious without harming others though. In socialists, envy has taken the upper hand, in capitalist, it's greed. Greed inspires people to work harder to get what the want (or to break the law to get what they want of course) whereas envy inspires people to take what they want directly from others. The former isn't perfect, but the latter is worse.

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