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never considered myself a tory before, they are much to left wing for me these days. However since coming to power they seem to be making all the right noises though yet to see them practice them. They seem to have picked much of their policies right off of the pages of the hpc forum. The more they reveal the more i hate the new labour experiment, i remember as a kid listening to folk saying they would never ever vote tory again because of the strikes and poll tax ect, surely no-one could possibly vote labour after what they did to the ordinary man in this country, far worse than any tory ever did, all masked by the gravy of house price ponzi scheme, they are utterly dispicable human being's.

anyhow i like this refreshing new twist of naming the boys on the labour payroll, though they fail to mention that add in bonuses, consultants, pseudo government workers ect and you could probably find 50,000 that are making this kind of money off the public purse, then add in the doctors i think most gp's take this sort of money home now, there are also heads of council ect, i remember reading of some shetland islands chief councillor getting a 200k payoff that the natives protested about strongly because he was simply sacked for being crap at his job.

Any party that tackles this socialist gravy train is good in my book.

Anyhow from the bbc website

Government reveals 171 civil servants earn more than PM

David Cameron David Cameron has pledged to make government more transparent

Some 171 civil servants are paid more than Prime Minister David Cameron's £142,500-a-year salary, according to Cabinet Office figures.

The salaries of those earning over £150,000 were revealed for the first time in a bid to aid transparency.

The government says increased transparency on senior pay will "help win back people's trust".

Office of Fair Trading chief executive John Fingleton, whose annual package is up to £279,999, is the top earner.

This package includes taxable benefits and allowances.

The BBC's Mike Sergeant said some "ambitious civil servants" might be tempted to use the list of salaries to "push for higher rewards".

"The government hopes the opposite will happen - that revealing these names will create public pressure to keep senior pay down across Whitehall," our correspondent added.

The salary and perks packages were revealed as part of a government pledge to give the public more access to official information.

Some 28 of those earning over £150,000 are in the Ministry of Defence, but just three are based in the Department for Transport.

Permanent secretaries - who head up government departments - are paid between £150,000 and £200,000 a year.

Mr Cameron has set out a series of items Whitehall departments must make public in a bid to remove what he called a "cloak of secrecy" around government.

Cabinet Office Minister Francis Maude said: "By being open and accountable we can start to win back people's trust.

"Openness will not be comfortable for us in government, but it will enable the public to hold our feet to the fire. This way lies better government."

He added that "transparency" is key to the coalition government's efficiency drive and will enable the public to help "deliver better value for money in public spending".

Meanwhile, Matthew Elliott, chief executive of the TaxPayers' Alliance, said the move to publish public spending data "is long overdue but is nevertheless extremely welcome".

"Taxpayers have a right to know how their money is being spent and anyone earning a large amount of money in government should have their pay packet open to public scrutiny, so people can judge whether they are providing good value for money," he said.

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I had assumed the fat cats were (1) more numerous and (2) better paid. Whether they can admit it or not, I think many of the loudest howlers and table thumpers would agree. So, only the top 171 most senior people in the country, overseeing an apparatus with expenditure of 700 billion-ish (yes, yes, separate argument) are paid more than the PM. The PM, for reference, is paid around the same level as a "teaboy" in a City company (excluding bonuses) and less than a Daily Mail columnist or tabloid sports writer.

I don't approve and I don't want to sound complacent about waste, but I just find it deeply underwhelming. Doesn't Applegarth's pension pay more than that? Last year Barclays paid its investment bankers alone an average bonus of 200,000 across 21, 900 employees. Does Barclays bank have a need for high quality staff that is 128 times greater than that of a country of 60 million people? Which would make BarclayLand a nation seven times the size of China if you prefer.

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Wonder how many excecutives in the BBC are paid more than the prime minister?

All 138 of them on this page are for starters ...

What about all the Local Government officers paid more than the PM - all of them also excluded from this list.

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Add in the University Vice Chancellors and their mates

Add in the Chief Executives of NHS Foundation Trusts

Both these groups are very highly paid and much less accountable than Civil Servants - and have less responsibility.

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I had assumed the fat cats were (1) more numerous and (2) better paid. Whether they can admit it or not, I think many of the loudest howlers and table thumpers would agree. So, only the top 171 most senior people in the country, overseeing an apparatus with expenditure of 700 billion-ish (yes, yes, separate argument) are paid more than the PM. The PM, for reference, is paid around the same level as a "teaboy" in a City company (excluding bonuses) and less than a Daily Mail columnist or tabloid sports writer.

I don't approve and I don't want to sound complacent about waste, but I just find it deeply underwhelming. Doesn't Applegarth's pension pay more than that? Last year Barclays paid its investment bankers alone an average bonus of 200,000 across 21, 900 employees. Does Barclays bank have a need for high quality staff that is 128 times greater than that of a country of 60 million people? Which would make BarclayLand a nation seven times the size of China if you prefer.

It' the tip of a very big iceberg. It only refers to Whitehall so far as I can see. It has been put about recently that there are more persons earning over £150k pa in the public sector than the private sector for the first time. If true it would be staggering. It remains to be proved. Either way there are some public sector jobs for which the salaries are quite astonishing and we have all read about them from time to time. It would be helpful to know from the IR just how many people earn each £10k segment of income. Anyone know this?

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Wonder how many excecutives in the BBC are paid more than the prime minister?

All 138 of them on this page are for starters ...

Interesting.

Why are BBC employees not considered to be civil servants? Are they not paid from the proceeds of a highly regressive tax (also known as the licence fee)?

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I think the BBC have got the PM's salary wrong.

He may only be taking £150k but I think the official PM's salary is nearer £200k, but happy to be proved wrong.

It does demonstrate however that the peasants' wages and working conditions are being arbitraged down towards the BRICS whilst those organising this relative wage deflation (the glow ball elite) line their pockets.

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I think the BBC have got the PM's salary wrong.

He may only be taking £150k but I think the official PM's salary is nearer £200k, but happy to be proved wrong.

It does demonstrate however that the peasants' wages and working conditions are being arbitraged down towards the BRICS whilst those organising this relative wage deflation (the glow ball elite) line their pockets.

Are we allowed to say "plus expenses"?

p-o-p

EDIT: ...and perks! Is Chequer's available for mass orgies during the week? What's the daily (nightly) rate?

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then of course the police chiefs are getting this kind of money too.

it realy does go on and on, there are 1000s of them everywhere.

and quite frankly its not right at all

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It' the tip of a very big iceberg. It only refers to Whitehall so far as I can see. It has been put about recently that there are more persons earning over £150k pa in the public sector than the private sector for the first time. If true it would be staggering. It remains to be proved. Either way there are some public sector jobs for which the salaries are quite astonishing and we have all read about them from time to time. It would be helpful to know from the IR just how many people earn each £10k segment of income.  Anyone know this?

Well look, the study by those long-term fans of public sector largesse the Confederation of British Industry actually concluded that the problem with public sector pay fairness was that it had too narrow a distribution. Which is to say it was too easy to get paid just below the national average and too hard to get much above it. Their proposal was to expand the range in both directions. So sure, Whitehall. But I was only comparing it with a single department of a single bank.

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Wonder how many excecutives in the BBC are paid more than the prime minister?

All 138 of them on this page are for starters ...

The list contains a lot of duplicates, and the last few are much lower (last one is 85k), so the number is less than 138.

Interesting.

Why are BBC employees not considered to be civil servants? Are they not paid from the proceeds of a highly regressive tax (also known as the licence fee)?

Only employees of the civil service are "civil servants". Other public sector workers - e.g. most frontline service providers like doctors or soldiers - are not.

It is odd that the licence fee is not called a tax when other "optional" taxes like road tax are. I think there should be a law that for the government to collect any money the method of collection must be named a "tax" or a "fine". Call a spade a spade. All these "duties" "levies" "licences" "National Insurance" labels do get on my nerves.

The licence fee is closer to a poll tax than the actual poll tax (given how many have TVs but aren't on the electoral roll) - yet doesn't seem to inspire any riots.

(I should also add that I think the BBC do a good job - let's just be honest how it's funded)

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