happy_renting Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Given that they created the Israel sate then they need to accept responsibility for the whole sordid mess over the years. If it wasn’t for the UK Govt then this flotilla would not have sailed. Israeli terrorists bombed the British in 1946 at King David Hotel. The British were trying to protect Palestinian interests as well. Israel was created by the UN, not Britain, in 1947 with the partition of palestine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 btw the videos I refer to, these are I presume Pakistani youths, shouting racist slurs and chasing British police. Frankly, these people should be expelled from the country. They remind me of the scum at Luton. Yes reminds me of the anjem choudry mob, probably was them. However the VAST majority were merely following the democratic principle of making their opinion known. Lets not side track the thread though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolf Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Yes reminds me of the anjem choudry mob, probably was them. However the VAST majority were merely following the democratic principle of making their opinion known. Lets not side track the thread though Sure, but what I'm really getting at is: I would protest alongside my fellow concerned citizen. I won't protest alongside people who only turn up when their own vested interests are at stake. I let them protest and make their statement but I won't add to their numbers because they are disingenuous, they only look after their own interests. I don't want to associate with people like that. If I see a protest with printed signs by any one of CND, Stop The War Colation, Socalist Worker or Respect then I laugh because what I just described is happening. btw has the United States made a statement yet? Will be very interesting to see what Obama says. I think he's stuck between a rock and a hard place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolf Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Some kind of live stream/live news: http://www.livestream.com/insaniyardim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 I think if you look further back to the early 20th century you will find that the notion of the Israel state was first created in the UK. No, I believe it was an Austro-Hungarian called Herzl, who published a book called Der Judenstahl, proposing a Jewish state, in 1896. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedgefunded Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Pretty underwhelming response from HPCers this morning. People just don't give a toss unless they're hit in the pocket. Depressing. How might this affect my shares tomorrow morning? I'm thinking BAE Systems might rally but and gains could be offset by people dumping MKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Birds Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Why do socialists hate Jews so much? We have the atrocities committed by the Japanese in WWII. We have the wholescale slaughter in Mao's China. We have tribal wars in Africa killing hundreds of thousands. We have North Korea starving its entire population. We have the nightmare of the Russian Gulag and many, many more. Do these get a mention? No. All the hate is directed at the Jews and it's been that way all through history. The socialists are just the latest. Does anyone here have any sort of explanation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 I am off to sleep will look at the link after. Suffice to say it was created well before the 40’s and was well known about as an option for after the wars and was part of many strategies although I will stick to my guns on the current state being a British creation, Israel was created under a UN mandate in 1947. Palestine was a British protectorate at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Why do socialists hate Jews so much? We have the atrocities committed by the Japanese in WWII. We have the wholescale slaughter in Mao's China. We have tribal wars in Africa killing hundreds of thousands. We have North Korea starving its entire population. We have the nightmare of the Russian Gulag and many, many more. Do these get a mention? No. All the hate is directed at the Jews and it's been that way all through history. The socialists are just the latest. Does anyone here have any sort of explanation? Well I don't hate Jews. Nor am I anti-semitic; the Palestinians are mostly semitic too. Nor am I against the Israeli state per se, but Israel has occupied land in defiance of UN resolutions for decades and brutally oppressed the people there. Not much to love about Israel. Automatically accusing someone who opposes Israeli foreign policy as a Jew-hater is wrong and cowardly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolf Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Why do socialists hate Jews so much? We have the atrocities committed by the Japanese in WWII. We have the wholescale slaughter in Mao's China. We have tribal wars in Africa killing hundreds of thousands. We have North Korea starving its entire population. We have the nightmare of the Russian Gulag and many, many more. Do these get a mention? No. All the hate is directed at the Jews and it's been that way all through history. The socialists are just the latest. Does anyone here have any sort of explanation? Those who hate the Jews do so because they believe that they made the most of WW2 to get as much as they could (i.e. exaggerated). As you say, many other people have suffered and continue to suffer today, this includes what happened in WW2. Israel made and continues to make a lot of money and influence from the guilt trip others suffer from. Even today in Germany, the youth still feel sorry about what happened, its in their psyche. Add to this their relentless selfishness that I believe is part of their culture, maybe it was spawned by their treatment during WW2. This selfishness and arrogance nobody can claim not to know about. The powerful lobbying in the USA, they have influence throughout the world, be it governments, large corporations, you name it. Let's take one example, the Holocaust. This is the only historical event that you will be villified for if you question the accuracy of the common portrayal of what happened. I've never know this happen with any other historical event. Of course, this remains a thought crime even in many European countries. Thought crimes in the 21 century? Who woulda thunk it? btw its not just socialists who hate them. Most of the right also hate them, at least in America anyway. I find that the distrust of them extends across the entire spectrum. Have a look at the David Icke forums. That is not in one way politically inclined. The only thing the people their share in common is a mistrust of the media, government and the powers that be. Racist postings are not tolerated there and I've never found one either. But there is a common understanding of the ZOG conspiracy, almost as if it is so obvious that to deny it makes you look like an idiot. btw the forum is full of common sense people and few of them believe that the queen is a lizard etc. btw I have no problem with disliking a particular set of people. It has nothing to do with the colour of their skin (a common, dumb argument). It has everything to do with their collective behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBdamo Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Why do socialists hate Jews so much? We have the atrocities committed by the Japanese in WWII. We have the wholescale slaughter in Mao's China. We have tribal wars in Africa killing hundreds of thousands. We have North Korea starving its entire population. We have the nightmare of the Russian Gulag and many, many more. Do these get a mention? No. All the hate is directed at the Jews and it's been that way all through history. The socialists are just the latest. Does anyone here have any sort of explanation? Hypocrisy To the best of my knowledge none of the above have used atrocities committed against themselves as a smokescreen to carry out the same crime against others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedgefunded Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Kissinger, Paulson, Geitner, Blankfein, Bernanke, Greenspan, Rothschilds, Bilderbergers, Goldman Sachs, all at the heart of governments and world finance, governments and world finance rotten to the core. You missed out Sam 'Ace' Rothstein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeholder Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Why do socialists hate Jews so much? We have the atrocities committed by the Japanese in WWII. We have the wholescale slaughter in Mao's China. We have tribal wars in Africa killing hundreds of thousands. We have North Korea starving its entire population. We have the nightmare of the Russian Gulag and many, many more. Do these get a mention? No. All the hate is directed at the Jews and it's been that way all through history. The socialists are just the latest. Does anyone here have any sort of explanation? The Soviet Union put a lot of effort into anti Jewish propaganda, a lot of lefties would still prefer to believe the old lies. Those sort of people love nothing better than having someone to hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolf Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10195997.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porca misèria Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Why do socialists hate Jews so much? Because posts like yours put forward "Jews" as a strawman to entrap people (some of whom may be socialists) into replies that attack the terrorist state, which can then be thrown back on them as anti-semitism. A person thus entrapped may be backed into a corner of defending something outrageous that he/she never actually meant, simply by touching the right provocative buttons in arguing against it. Look at, most famously, Melanie Phillips. Typical template for her encountering a moslem in public debate: Phillips: Do you support [your friend] when he said [translation of some arabic or farsi utterance, that turns it into something utterly outrageous]. Victim: [on the back foot, stammers] He didn't say that ... Phillips: [interrupting] I have it here in front of me. Here are his words ... I'm sure I'd crumble and say something stupid under the pressure of that kind of bullying. Most of us would. No wonder she gets away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orsino Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 The Soviet Union put a lot of effort into anti Jewish propaganda, a lot of lefties would still prefer to believe the old lies. Those sort of people love nothing better than having someone to hate. This would be the same 'anti-Jewish' Soviet Union that defeated Nazi Germany and that had Leon Trotsky (Jewish) and Karl Marx (Jewish father) among its most important figures? I know historical fact has never been a Zionist strong point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayder Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 this boarding case can be contrasted very nicely with the case of the SS Exodus in 1947. Israel should really be ashamed, and modern israel seems to have lost all perspective and memory... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Exodus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnamon Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 The peace activists in action: Gaza starving: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=pt-BR&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://www.paltoday.com/arabic/News-64161.html&sl=ar&tl=en The humble soup kitchen in Gaza: http://www.rootsclub.ps/ or as the brochure claims: A unique blend of contemporary design and urban chic, Roots Club is an icon in the heart of Gaza City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Birds Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Because posts like yours put forward "Jews" as a strawman to entrap people (some of whom may be socialists) into replies that attack the terrorist state, which can then be thrown back on them as anti-semitism. A person thus entrapped may be backed into a corner of defending something outrageous that he/she never actually meant, simply by touching the right provocative buttons in arguing against it. Look at, most famously, Melanie Phillips. Typical template for her encountering a moslem in public debate: Phillips: Do you support [your friend] when he said [translation of some arabic or farsi utterance, that turns it into something utterly outrageous]. Victim: [on the back foot, stammers] He didn't say that ... Phillips: [interrupting] I have it here in front of me. Here are his words ... I'm sure I'd crumble and say something stupid under the pressure of that kind of bullying. Most of us would. No wonder she gets away with it. That has got to be one of the most convoluted attacks I've ever encountered. I read a topic brim full of anti-Jewish sentiment and I see nothing going on in Israel that isn't going on times a thousand in the rest of the world both at present and historically. I don't know any Jews, never had any dealings with 'em and I ask a simple question "What's with all the hate?" and it seems like a pretty obvious question to me and then suddenly it's all my fault and I'm guilty of entrapment. You sure got chutzpah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 The peace activists in action: Gaza starving: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=pt-BR&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://www.paltoday.com/arabic/News-64161.html&sl=ar&tl=en The humble soup kitchen in Gaza: http://www.rootsclub.ps/ or as the brochure claims: So you're saying Gaza's like a beach club where everyday is a shopping holiday and when heavily armed commandos storm a aid ship in international waters and people try to stop them that isn't self defence and shooting them is ok? You are Tzipi Livni and i claim my five shekels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeholder Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 This would be the same 'anti-Jewish' Soviet Union that defeated Nazi Germany and that had Leon Trotsky (Jewish) and Karl Marx (Jewish father) among its most important figures? I know historical fact has never been a Zionist strong point. The same Soviet Union that had Leon Trotsky murdered and was all too happy to co operate with the Nazis until Hitler attacked it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.C. Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 So you're saying Gaza's like a beach club where everyday is a shopping holiday and when heavily armed commandos storm a aid ship in international waters and people try to stop them that isn't self defence and shooting them is ok? You are Tzipi Livni and i claim my five shekels It does take the piss. They could have waited until the ships were in Israeli waters and then sent a few unarmed people with clipboards on to the ships to search them for weapons. But no. They send in commandos with machine guns. Idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibley's Love Child Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Seldom do we agree Athom although i'm with you all the way in regards to Palestine/Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBdamo Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 That has got to be one of the most convoluted attacks I've ever encountered. I read a topic brim full of anti-Jewish sentiment and I see nothing going on in Israel that isn't going on times a thousand in the rest of the world both at present and historically. I don't know any Jews, never had any dealings with 'em and I ask a simple question "What's with all the hate?" and it seems like a pretty obvious question to me and then suddenly it's all my fault and I'm guilty of entrapment. You sure got chutzpah. Awaiting a response to my reason for what you perceive to be hate Hypocrisy To the best of my knowledge none of the above have used atrocities committed against themselves as a smokescreen to carry out the same crime against others. Do you not think they should have some respect for those that died in the Holocost and not dishonour them by comitting the same crimes against others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest X-QUORK Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Given that they created the Israel sate then they need to accept responsibility for the whole sordid mess over the years. If it wasn’t for the UK Govt then this flotilla would not have sailed. Kin 'ell Bardon, is there anything that isn't ultimately the fault of the UK in your eyes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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