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Domestic, consumer faggy laptops and PC's clap out here due to dust, heat and humidity.

So I was looking at a man's laptop, built like Tonka. In particular MIL-STD 810g certified IP65+ stuff.

Panasonic Toughbook is bonkers cash, HP Elitebook, I just sent Mark Hurd (CEO of HP) an email basically telling the kunt his stuff was dogshit and has been the bain of my life for the past 5 years and I'll never buy an HP anything again.

So I found this Dell XFR E6400. Crazy money, unless you buy via ebay rather than dell.

The US ones are high spec and affordable.

Question for IT geeks. Find one on ebay that's shithot. How much do you pay if bringing to the UK via post?

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I think laptops are duty free, but you will still get stung for VAT on the item, postage and insurance

http://www.dutycalculator.com/faq/

Sounds all a bit convoluted.. There's also voltage differences, which is something else to look out for..

Here's an example they use..

Let’s buy a HP 2133 Mini Note laptop for $ 600.00, an Apple iPhone 3G 8 GB for $ 300.00 and an Olympus E-620 digital camera for $ 600.00

• Total Shipping cost: $ 200.00

• The consignment is insured up to $ 1,000.00 for $ 20.00

• Official exchange rate by customs agencies on June 1st, 2009: 1.56 USD to 1 GBP

• Import duty tax rate for laptos: 0.00% (laptops are duty free items)

• Duty tax rate for mobile phones: 0.00% (mobile phones are duty free items)

• Import duty tax rate for digital cameras: 0.00% (digital cameras are duty free items)

• VAT tax rate in the UK: 17.5%

Calculation

Step 1 of 9 - let’s calculate the customs value

+ $ 600.00 <- price of the laptop (including sales tax)

+ $ 300.00 <- price of the Apple iPhone (sales taxes included)

+ $ 600.00 <- price of the Olympus digital camera (sales taxes included)

+ $ 200.00 <- shipping cost

+ $ 20.00 <- insurance cost

-----------------

= $ 1,720.00

Step 2 of 9 - let’s split the shipping cost and insurance cost among the laptop, the iPhone 3G and the digital camera

The value of the laptop is 40% of the total value of the goods

therefore

• the shipping cost allocated to the laptop equals = $ 200.00 x 40% = $ 80.00

• the insurance cost allocated to the laptop equals = $ 20.00 x 40% = $ 8.00

The value of the Apple iPhone is 20% of the total value of the goods

therefore

• the shipping cost allocated to the mobile phone equals = $ 200.00 x 20% = $ 40.00

• the insurance cost allocated to the mobile phone equals = $20.00 x 20% = $ 4.00

The value of the Olympus digital camera is 40% of the total value of the goods

therefore

• the shipping cost allocated to the mobile phone equals = $ 200.00 x 40% = $ 80.00

• the insurance cost allocated to the mobile phone equals = $20.00 x 40% = $ 8.00

Step 3 of 9 - let’s calculate the customs value

• for the HP laptop

+ $ 600.00 <- price of the laptop including sales tax

+ $ 80.00 <- shipping cost

+ $ 8.00 <- insurance cost

-----------------

= $ 688.00

• for the Apple mobile phone

+ $ 400.00 <- price of the phone including sales tax

+ $ 40.00 <- shipping cost

+ $ 4.00 <- insurance cost

-----------------

= $ 444.00

• for the digital camera

+ $ 600.00 <- price of the digital camera including sales tax

+ $ 80.00 <- shipping cost

+ $ 8.00 <- insurance cost

-----------------

= $ 688.00

Step 4 of 9 - let’s convert into £

• the HP laptop

$ 688.00 / 1.56 = £ 441.03

• the Apple iPhone

$ 444.00 / 1.56 = £ 284.62

> the Olympus digital camera

$ 688.00 / 1.56 = £ 441.03

Step 5 of 9 - let’s calculate the import duty

• for the laptop

£ 441.03 x 0.00% = £ 0.00

• for the iPhone

£ 284.62 x 0.00% = £ 0.00

• for the digital camera

£ 441.03 x 0.00% = £ 0.00

Step 6 of 9 - let’ calculate the value on which the VAT will be paid

• for the HP notebook

+ £ 441.03 <- customs value of the laptop

+ £ 0.00 <- import duty USA to UK

-----------------

= £ 441.03

• for the Apple iPhone

+ £ 284.62 <- customs value of the phone

+ £ 0.00 <- import duty USA to UK

-----------------

= £ 284.62

• for the Olympus camera

+ £ 441.03 <- customs value of the digital camera

+ £ 0.00 <- import duty USA to UK

-----------------

= £ 441.03

Step 7 of 9 - let’s calculate the VAT

• for the HP laptop

£ 441.03 x 17.5% = £ 77.18

• for the Apple mobile phone

£ 284.62 x 17.5% = £ 49.80

• for the Olympus camera

£ 441.03 x 17.5% = £ 77.18

Step 8 of 9 - let’s now get the total calculation for import duty and VAT

• for the laptop

+ £ 0.00 <- import duty (laptops are free of duty)

+ £ 77.18 <- VAT

-----------------

= $ 77.18

• for the iPhone

+ £ 0.00 <- import duty (mobile phones are free of duty)

+ £ 49.80 <- VAT

-----------------

= £ 49.80

• for the digital camera

+ £ 0.00 <- import duty (digital cameras are free of duty)

+ £ 77.18 <- VAT

-----------------

= £ 77.18

Step 9 of 9 - let’s sum up

+ £ 77.18 <- import duty and VAT for the HP Mini Note laptop

+ £ 49.80 <- import duty and VAT for the Apple iPhone 3G 8 GB

+ £ 77.18 <- import duty and VAT for the Olympus E-620 digital camera

------------------

= £ 204.16

Total import duty and VAT for the laptop, the mobile phone and the digital camera is therefore £ 175.00.

The total landed cost equals =

+ £ 1,099.11 <- total cost of the consignment in £

+ £ 204.16 <- total import duty and VAT

------------------

= £ 1,303.27

Please note that the shipping provider might charge additional fees.

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Seems a bit complicated Zagred, I used your link and it gave:

Item Amount Additional Information

Products you entered Dell XFR E6400 US$2500.00 This product is duty free. VAT rate is 17.5%

Shipping & Insurance costs Shipping Costs US$100.00 US$

Insurance Costs US$100.00 US$

Total cost before import taxes £1753.02

Calculated import taxes Import Duty £0.00 Duty result is nil because the total amount of duty payable is less than £9

VAT Charges £306.78

Total cost including import taxes £2059.80 Please note that your shipping provider may add an additional handling fee

We're good to Mr P on thsi site.

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Sounds all a bit convoluted.. There's also voltage differences, which is something else to look out for..

Here's an example they use..

Let’s buy a HP 2133 Mini Note laptop for $ 600.00, an Apple iPhone 3G 8 GB for $ 300.00 and an Olympus E-620 digital camera for $ 600.00

• Total Shipping cost: $ 200.00

• The consignment is insured up to $ 1,000.00 for $ 20.00

• Official exchange rate by customs agencies on June 1st, 2009: 1.56 USD to 1 GBP

• Import duty tax rate for laptos: 0.00% (laptops are duty free items)

• Duty tax rate for mobile phones: 0.00% (mobile phones are duty free items)

• Import duty tax rate for digital cameras: 0.00% (digital cameras are duty free items)

• VAT tax rate in the UK: 17.5%

Calculation

Step 1 of 9 - let’s calculate the customs value

+ $ 600.00 <- price of the laptop (including sales tax)

+ $ 300.00 <- price of the Apple iPhone (sales taxes included)

+ $ 600.00 <- price of the Olympus digital camera (sales taxes included)

+ $ 200.00 <- shipping cost

+ $ 20.00 <- insurance cost

-----------------

= $ 1,720.00

Step 2 of 9 - let’s split the shipping cost and insurance cost among the laptop, the iPhone 3G and the digital camera

The value of the laptop is 40% of the total value of the goods

therefore

• the shipping cost allocated to the laptop equals = $ 200.00 x 40% = $ 80.00

• the insurance cost allocated to the laptop equals = $ 20.00 x 40% = $ 8.00

The value of the Apple iPhone is 20% of the total value of the goods

therefore

• the shipping cost allocated to the mobile phone equals = $ 200.00 x 20% = $ 40.00

• the insurance cost allocated to the mobile phone equals = $20.00 x 20% = $ 4.00

The value of the Olympus digital camera is 40% of the total value of the goods

therefore

• the shipping cost allocated to the mobile phone equals = $ 200.00 x 40% = $ 80.00

• the insurance cost allocated to the mobile phone equals = $20.00 x 40% = $ 8.00

Step 3 of 9 - let’s calculate the customs value

• for the HP laptop

+ $ 600.00 <- price of the laptop including sales tax

+ $ 80.00 <- shipping cost

+ $ 8.00 <- insurance cost

-----------------

= $ 688.00

• for the Apple mobile phone

+ $ 400.00 <- price of the phone including sales tax

+ $ 40.00 <- shipping cost

+ $ 4.00 <- insurance cost

-----------------

= $ 444.00

• for the digital camera

+ $ 600.00 <- price of the digital camera including sales tax

+ $ 80.00 <- shipping cost

+ $ 8.00 <- insurance cost

-----------------

= $ 688.00

Step 4 of 9 - let’s convert into £

• the HP laptop

$ 688.00 / 1.56 = £ 441.03

• the Apple iPhone

$ 444.00 / 1.56 = £ 284.62

> the Olympus digital camera

$ 688.00 / 1.56 = £ 441.03

Step 5 of 9 - let’s calculate the import duty

• for the laptop

£ 441.03 x 0.00% = £ 0.00

• for the iPhone

£ 284.62 x 0.00% = £ 0.00

• for the digital camera

£ 441.03 x 0.00% = £ 0.00

Step 6 of 9 - let’ calculate the value on which the VAT will be paid

• for the HP notebook

+ £ 441.03 <- customs value of the laptop

+ £ 0.00 <- import duty USA to UK

-----------------

= £ 441.03

• for the Apple iPhone

+ £ 284.62 <- customs value of the phone

+ £ 0.00 <- import duty USA to UK

-----------------

= £ 284.62

• for the Olympus camera

+ £ 441.03 <- customs value of the digital camera

+ £ 0.00 <- import duty USA to UK

-----------------

= £ 441.03

Step 7 of 9 - let’s calculate the VAT

• for the HP laptop

£ 441.03 x 17.5% = £ 77.18

• for the Apple mobile phone

£ 284.62 x 17.5% = £ 49.80

• for the Olympus camera

£ 441.03 x 17.5% = £ 77.18

Step 8 of 9 - let’s now get the total calculation for import duty and VAT

• for the laptop

+ £ 0.00 <- import duty (laptops are free of duty)

+ £ 77.18 <- VAT

-----------------

= $ 77.18

• for the iPhone

+ £ 0.00 <- import duty (mobile phones are free of duty)

+ £ 49.80 <- VAT

-----------------

= £ 49.80

• for the digital camera

+ £ 0.00 <- import duty (digital cameras are free of duty)

+ £ 77.18 <- VAT

-----------------

= £ 77.18

Step 9 of 9 - let’s sum up

+ £ 77.18 <- import duty and VAT for the HP Mini Note laptop

+ £ 49.80 <- import duty and VAT for the Apple iPhone 3G 8 GB

+ £ 77.18 <- import duty and VAT for the Olympus E-620 digital camera

------------------

= £ 204.16

Total import duty and VAT for the laptop, the mobile phone and the digital camera is therefore £ 175.00.

The total landed cost equals =

+ £ 1,099.11 <- total cost of the consignment in £

+ £ 204.16 <- total import duty and VAT

------------------

= £ 1,303.27

Please note that the shipping provider might charge additional fees.

Don't you swear at me with your HP laptops!

So it costs money?

Well fvck em.

I'll get Howie from Palm Beach to bring the thing direct to Patters next time he's over.

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Don't really know much about specs, or ebay for that matter, here are a couple that look cheap:

http://global.ebay.com/Dell_Latitude_E6400_XFR_Laptop_T9300_250GHz_20GB_RAM/220612029810/item

Dell Latitude E6400 XFR Laptop T9300 2.50GHz 2.0GB RAM

End time: Time Left: 05-06-2010 13:36:28 GMT

Buy It Now price: £ 1,099.99 Buy Now

Location: Oxford, UK, United Kingdom

Shipping costs: £ 18.99- United Kingdom

Additional costs related to custom, duties and/or taxes not included.

http://global.ebay.com/Dell_Latitude_E6400_XFR_Rugged_Laptop_Intel_P9600_C2D_/350337901178/item

Dell Latitude E6400 XFR Rugged Laptop Intel P9600 C2D

End time: Time Left: 06-06-2010 12:30:30 GMT

Buy It Now price: £ 1,149.99 Buy Now

Location: London, United Kingdom

Shipping costs: Free- United Kingdom

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Don't really know much about specs, or ebay for that matter, here are a couple that look cheap:

http://global.ebay.com/Dell_Latitude_E6400_XFR_Laptop_T9300_250GHz_20GB_RAM/220612029810/item

Dell Latitude E6400 XFR Laptop T9300 2.50GHz 2.0GB RAM

End time: Time Left: 05-06-2010 13:36:28 GMT

Buy It Now price: £ 1,099.99 Buy Now

Location: Oxford, UK, United Kingdom

Shipping costs: £ 18.99- United Kingdom

Additional costs related to custom, duties and/or taxes not included.

http://global.ebay.com/Dell_Latitude_E6400_XFR_Rugged_Laptop_Intel_P9600_C2D_/350337901178/item

Dell Latitude E6400 XFR Rugged Laptop Intel P9600 C2D

End time: Time Left: 06-06-2010 12:30:30 GMT

Buy It Now price: £ 1,149.99 Buy Now

Location: London, United Kingdom

Shipping costs: Free- United Kingdom

Do they work?

3 HP laptops and a PC dead in 3 years now.

Well. Fvck HP, I sh1t 'em . . . obviously.

Need something that takes dust and 50C heat.

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Do they work?

3 HP laptops and a PC dead in 3 years now.

Well. Fvck HP, I sh1t 'em . . . obviously.

Need something that takes dust and 50C heat.

I have a cheap Dell, I think it would last about five minutes there.

Wouldn't a notebook be better as it has less moving parts and easier release of what heat it does generate because it's so thin?

Edit: or even a Netbook! Not one for gadgets me.

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I have a cheap Dell, I think it would last about five minutes there.

Wouldn't a notebook be better as it has less moving parts and easier release of what heat it does generate because it's so thin?

No Frank. Look. Look at the Dell XFR spec. It's MIL-STD 810g, IP65.

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I have a cheap Dell, I think it would last about five minutes there.

Wouldn't a notebook be better as it has less moving parts and easier release of what heat it does generate because it's so thin?

Edit: or even a Netbook! Not one for gadgets me.

Or a laptop that uses a solid state disk?

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No Frank. Look. Look at the Dell XFR spec. It's MIL-STD 810g, IP65.

I'll withdraw gracefully, this is what girls must feel like when blokes start talking about car engines.

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Do they work?

3 HP laptops and a PC dead in 3 years now.

Well. Fvck HP, I sh1t 'em . . . obviously.

Need something that takes dust and 50C heat.

A pc with some stonking fans and washable air filters would be better for that, but if it must be a laptop get a usb powered laptop cooler as well.

They plugin to the usb on your laptop and blow air on to the bottom of it to keep it cool.

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Just get a MacBook.

They seem to survive in the Middle East ok.

And it takes about an hour to put Windows on it these days, either to dual boot or in a virtual machine.

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Whatever you get your going to have problems. Laptops have fans and cooling, servers are kept in air conditions rooms for a reason. Get the cheapest fastest laptop you want and expect it to die, or install aircon in one room? All laptops come from the same factories and have similar if not the same bits.

What bit of the laptop died? The fan, the HDD, the screen, the kybrd, the CPU, why not fix the laptop?

I like acers, this is a nice quad core laptop (you need powerful machine for your 3d stuff dont you?), 4 gig of memory, 2 500mb hdds (so you could raid them together for improved stability)

http://www.play.com/...ok/Product.html

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They are freaks aren't they?

I have the Dell ATG which is the semi-ruggidised version and have found it to be bullet proof in all environments; from deepest Africa humid to North Sea frigid, not too bothered about dust either, I've had it about three years with no issues at all.

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