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From Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Nellist

A long-standing supporter of the Militant tendency, Nellist was the MP for Coventry South East from 1983 to 1992. He was known for his standing as a "workers' MP on a worker's wage", taking only the wage of a skilled factory worker, which amounted to 40% of what he could have earned and what other MPs took for themselves. The rest he donated back to the Labour movement and to charities.

Seems like he had some principals and wasn't an entirely greedy spiv.

Any others? Can we get some more?

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No doubt he was smeared by the Kinnock and his gravy train pals in the media.

The remnants of Militant can be found in: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_(England_and_Wales)

All we seem to have now is Blair clones, whether tory/libdem/labour. Lots of talking the talk, nobody walking the walk. A lot of spivs, governing a lot of wannabe spivs; anybody not in the spiv club can go f**k themselves, that's the message.

I want some politicians who walk the walk.

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It's a strange old world. I've always considered myself to be on the Right of the Tory party (particularly on social issues) but I find myself agreeing with Obama, Cable and other assorted Leftists on economics these days.

In February I was invited to a very enjoyable party where one of the guests was former Tory MP and City trader, Howard Flight. He argued that it was right to bail out bankrupt entities like Lloyds, HBOS and RBS as lending "is integral to our nation". I argued they should've wiped out shareholders completely and nationalized them while running down the loan book. Funny how these so-called free market followers are suddenly in favour of state aid when it comes to banks! I totally demolished his position in front of Lord Tebbit, Stuart Wheeler and former Tory MP Barry Legg (who agreed with me 100%) - called him "intellectually incoherent" :P .

Yes mes amis , the Communists are alive and well and in the City/Wall Street. Oh the irony!

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It's a strange old world. I've always considered myself to be on the Right of the Tory party (particularly on social issues) but I find myself agreeing with Obama, Cable and other assorted Leftists on economics these days.

In February I was invited to a very enjoyable party where one of the guests was former Tory MP and City trader, Howard Flight. He argued that it was right to bail out bankrupt entities like Lloyds, HBOS and RBS as lending "is integral to our nation". I argued they should've wiped out shareholders completely and nationalized them while running down the loan book. Funny how these so-called free market followers are suddenly in favour of state aid when it comes to banks! I totally demolished his position in front of Lord Tebbit, Stuart Wheeler and former Tory MP Barry Legg (who agreed with me 100%) - called him "intellectually incoherent" :P .

Yes mes amis , the Communists are alive and well and in the City/Wall Street. Oh the irony!

Indeed.

I consider myself left-wing, but I don't dismiss or demonise people whose politics differ from mine; people will always have different points of view.

What I would like, is for our politicians to represent those differing points of view FOR US. Not for a select few who allow them to line their pockets. Are there any such people left?

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He stood this year in Coventry as an independent socialist. I was up there and got a leaflet. He took that lower wage and published every single expense he claims.

Genuine integrity is an impressive thing.

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It's a strange old world. I've always considered myself to be on the Right of the Tory party (particularly on social issues) but I find myself agreeing with Obama, Cable and other assorted Leftists on economics these days.

In February I was invited to a very enjoyable party where one of the guests was former Tory MP and City trader, Howard Flight. He argued that it was right to bail out bankrupt entities like Lloyds, HBOS and RBS as lending "is integral to our nation". I argued they should've wiped out shareholders completely and nationalized them while running down the loan book. Funny how these so-called free market followers are suddenly in favour of state aid when it comes to banks! I totally demolished his position in front of Lord Tebbit, Stuart Wheeler and former Tory MP Barry Legg (who agreed with me 100%) - called him "intellectually incoherent" :P .

Yes mes amis , the Communists are alive and well and in the City/Wall Street. Oh the irony!

The 80/20 rule seems to apply across the political spectrum.

The actions of 80% of politicians are inconsistent with their professed ideology.

The actions of 20% of politicians are consistent with their professed ideology.

Regardless of personal ideology, I think that increasing numbers of voters are withdrawing from our representative democratic processes because they understand that 80% of politicians (regardless of their place on the ideological spectrum) do not practice what they preach.

We really do need to eradicate the political class across the spectrum and bring back people of principle to the process.

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Indeed.

I consider myself left-wing, but I don't dismiss or demonise people whose politics differ from mine; people will always have different points of view.

What I would like, is for our politicians to represent those differing points of view FOR US. Not for a select few who allow them to line their pockets. Are there any such people left?

No, I don't believe there are and the reason is, as Mr Nellist would no doubt tell you, that in order to effect the slightest concession from the ruthless ruling elite the poluiticised few have to spread the word and agitate until there is a groundswell of militancy that either gets concessions or takes them. That the English didn't get this first time round in the civil war is much evidenc ed from the fact we still throw public money at cousin once removed of Lord Phuckwit, get tumescent at the sound of elongated vowles and are prepared to hang on the words of a priviledged fat lass (Kirsty of ours) as to what colour to paint our walls.

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It's a strange old world. I've always considered myself to be on the Right of the Tory party (particularly on social issues) but I find myself agreeing with Obama, Cable and other assorted Leftists on economics these days.

In February I was invited to a very enjoyable party where one of the guests was former Tory MP and City trader, Howard Flight. He argued that it was right to bail out bankrupt entities like Lloyds, HBOS and RBS as lending "is integral to our nation". I argued they should've wiped out shareholders completely and nationalized them while running down the loan book. Funny how these so-called free market followers are suddenly in favour of state aid when it comes to banks! I totally demolished his position in front of Lord Tebbit, Stuart Wheeler and former Tory MP Barry Legg (who agreed with me 100%) - called him "intellectually incoherent" :P .

Yes mes amis , the Communists are alive and well and in the City/Wall Street. Oh the irony!

Sounds like an interesting get together.

Yes, the communists/fascists/whatever-statists are in the city/wall st, but how does that lead you to agree with assorted lefties?

p.s. I saw you had a post on the bankruptcy of the Tchenguiz brothers - I can understand the playboy pub speculator going down, but the other guy seemed alot cannier.

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Sounds like an interesting get together.

Yes, the communists/fascists/whatever-statists are in the city/wall st, but how does that lead you to agree with assorted lefties?

p.s. I saw you had a post on the bankruptcy of the Tchenguiz brothers - I can understand the playboy pub speculator going down, but the other guy seemed alot cannier.

"To thy(ne) own self be true"

This advice was given a very long time ago. I admire people who live by this creed whether or not I agree with what they stand for. Unfortunately, people who live by this creed are very few and far between.

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From Wiki: http://en.wikipedia....ki/Dave_Nellist

Seems like he had some principals and wasn't an entirely greedy spiv.

Any others? Can we get some more?

As the expenses list was trickling out, and finally published, it came to light that the person who claimed least, MP for Luton I think, has an annual expense bill of two to three thousand pounds, mainly train fares to and from his constituency on the occasions when he attended the House of Commons.

Herself suggested he be made Chancellor of the Exchequer.

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It's a strange old world. I've always considered myself to be on the Right of the Tory party (particularly on social issues) but I find myself agreeing with Obama, Cable and other assorted Leftists on economics these days.

In February I was invited to a very enjoyable party where one of the guests was former Tory MP and City trader, Howard Flight. He argued that it was right to bail out bankrupt entities like Lloyds, HBOS and RBS as lending "is integral to our nation". I argued they should've wiped out shareholders completely and nationalized them while running down the loan book. Funny how these so-called free market followers are suddenly in favour of state aid when it comes to banks! I totally demolished his position in front of Lord Tebbit, Stuart Wheeler and former Tory MP Barry Legg (who agreed with me 100%) - called him "intellectually incoherent" :P .

Yes mes amis , the Communists are alive and well and in the City/Wall Street. Oh the irony!

If somehow Keynesian economic theory and market intervention is the rage around the dinner tables of the idle rich, it isn't surprising is it? Socialise the losses....and business as usual privatising the "gains" of their pretend "entreprenerial" risk taking activity later after they've finished shoving the big red, white and blue dick of anglo saxon captalist debt up each and every worker both sides of the Atlantic and in Europe. Time to stand up and do more than break a few windows in the square mile I fear...only the majority of poor Americans are probably too busy watching Fox news and bothering God to get it and your average Brit can't wait to emulate them.

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No, I don't believe there are and the reason is, as Mr Nellist would no doubt tell you, that in order to effect the slightest concession from the ruthless ruling elite the poluiticised few have to spread the word and agitate until there is a groundswell of militancy that either gets concessions or takes them. That the English didn't get this first time round in the civil war is much evidenc ed from the fact we still throw public money at cousin once removed of Lord Phuckwit, get tumescent at the sound of elongated vowles and are prepared to hang on the words of a priviledged fat lass (Kirsty of ours) as to what colour to paint our walls.

Nice reading. Not only do I like what you say I like the way you say it. Keep up the good work. You are on to something with regards to the English civil war. As I remember it the parliamentary guys won but after Cromwell died the movement just fell apart from lack of interest and they brought a king back. Somehow all the gentry were still around and life resumed to pre-revolution times. A peculiarly English revolution I must say and quite a contrast to the French. Must say something about the English but I'm not sure just what.

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He stood this year in Coventry as an independent socialist. I was up there and got a leaflet. He took that lower wage and published every single expense he claims.

Genuine integrity is an impressive thing.

I totally disagree with Nellist on all manner of issues.

But I have far more respect for him than I have for many politicians who espouse views much closer to mine.

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From Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Nellist

Seems like he had some principals and wasn't an entirely greedy spiv.

Any others? Can we get some more?

Hardly a saint. He could have just taken the wage he thought appropriate and saved taxpayers some money rather than direct the surplus as he saw fit. He claims not to have wanted the money but still made sure it was all spent and took it upon himself to decide what it should be spent on. How very socialist of him.

This is much like Labour throwing billions of pounds at charities.(And the coalition will continue to do it) It is not charity if the money was taken from me by force and I do not choose who gets it.

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No, I don't believe there are and the reason is, as Mr Nellist would no doubt tell you, that in order to effect the slightest concession from the ruthless ruling elite the poluiticised few have to spread the word and agitate until there is a groundswell of militancy that either gets concessions or takes them. That the English didn't get this first time round in the civil war is much evidenc ed from the fact we still throw public money at cousin once removed of Lord Phuckwit, get tumescent at the sound of elongated vowles and are prepared to hang on the words of a priviledged fat lass (Kirsty of ours) as to what colour to paint our walls.

I completely agree..well said

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Hardly a saint. He could have just taken the wage he thought appropriate and saved taxpayers some money rather than direct the surplus as he saw fit. He claims not to have wanted the money but still made sure it was all spent and took it upon himself to decide what it should be spent on. How very socialist of him.

This is much like Labour throwing billions of pounds at charities.(And the coalition will continue to do it) It is not charity if the money was taken from me by force and I do not choose who gets it.

I expect he thought he could spend the "surplus" better than his bosses would have if he'd have given it to them; in fairness, he was probably right.

The "non-greedy spiv" bit is the point I was making.

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