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WMR's intelligence sources in Asia suspect that the March attack on the South Korean Navy anti-submarine warfare (ASW) corvette, the Cheonan, was a false flag attack designed to appear as coming from North Korea.

One of the main purposes for increasing tensions on the Korean peninsula was to apply pressure on Japanese Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama to reverse course on moving the U.S. Marine Corps base off Okinawa. Hatoyama has admitted that the tensions over the sinking of the Cheonan played a large part in his decision to allow the U.S. Marines to remain on Okinawa. Hatoyama's decision has resulted in a split in the ruling center-left coalition government, a development welcome in Washington, with Mizuho Fukushima, the Social Democratic Party leader threatening to bolt the coalition over the Okinawa reversal.

The Cheonan was sunk near Baengnyeong Island, a westernmost spot that is far from the South Korean coast, but opposite the North Korean coast. The island is heavily militarized and within artillery fire range of North Korean coastal defenses, which lie across a narrow channel.

The Cheonan, an ASW corvette, was decked out with state-of-the-art sonar, plus it was operating in waters with extensive hydrophone sonar arrays and acoustic underwater sensors. There is no South Korean sonar or audio evidence of a torpedo, submarine or mini-sub in the area. Since there is next to no shipping in the channel, the sea was silent at the time of the sinking.

However, Baengnyeong Island hosts a joint US-South Korea military intelligence base and the US Navy SEALS operate out of the base. In addition, four U.S. Navy ships were in the area, part of the joint U.S-South Korean Exercise Foal Eagle, during the sinking of the Cheonan. An investigation of the suspect torpedo's metallic and chemical fingerprints show it to be of German manufacture. There are suspicions that the US Navy SEALS maintains a sampling of European torpedoes for sake of plausible deniability for false flag attacks. Also, Berlin does not sell torpedoes to North Korea, however, Germany does maintain a close joint submarine and submarine weapons development program with Israel.

The presence of the USNS Salvor, one of the participants in Foal Eagle, so close to Baengnyeong Island during the sinking of the South Korean corvette also raises questions.

The Salvor, a civilian Navy salvage ship, which participated in mine laying activities for the Thai Marines in the Gulf of Thailand in 2006, was present near the time of the blast with a complement of 12 deep sea divers.

Beijing, satisfied with North Korea's Kim Jong Il's claim of innocence after a hurried train trip from Pyongyang to Beijing, suspects the U.S. Navy's role in the Cheonan's sinking, with particular suspicion on the role of the Salvor. The suspicions are as follows:

1. The Salvor engaged in a seabed mine-installation operation, in other words, attaching horizontally fired anti-submarine mines on the sea floor in the channel.

2. The Salvor was doing routine inspection and maintenance on seabed mines, and put them into an electronic active mode (hair trigger release) as part of the inspection program.

3. A SEALS diver attached a magnetic mine to the Cheonan, as part of a covert program aimed at influencing public opinion in South Korea, Japan and China.

The Korean peninsula tensions have conveniently overshadowed all other agenda items on Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's visits to Beijing and Seoul.

Motive, means and opportunity.

http://www.blacklistednews.com/news-8932-0-20-20--.html

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Motive, means and opportunity.

Don't they keep sonar thingies on full power which tends to ice frogmen?

Anyway a lot of people say what has NK got we want?

Well the boss o hyundai keeps wanting to relocate her plants in NK for the uber cheap labour, imagine it a population of 23 million slaves who will work for even less than the Chinese will.

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It did cross my mind about Okinawa when all this stuff kicked off but... the North Koreans have Russian bought or Russian made, or Chinese clones of the Russian, convection torpedoes.

The US really is not interested in starting a second Korean War now - the resources would be massive bearing in mind the US is committed in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Horn of Africa, Pakistan. The US lost the military capability to wage and win two global wars on two global fronts under Clinton. The US military can now fight and win one major global war and keep a second 'on the boil' until the first is won.

Having said that, I think the only way the US can get out of its economic mess is to basically start a new cold war against the Chinese. I doubt they want a hot one although, people forget, when Bubba Bush came to power the first year of his Presidency was very hostile to China as the neo-cons saw China as a major threat to the US...and then 911 happened.

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Don't they keep sonar thingies on full power which tends to ice frogmen?

Anyway a lot of people say what has NK got we want?

Well the boss o hyundai keeps wanting to relocate her plants in NK for the uber cheap labour, imagine it a population of 23 million slaves who will work for even less than the Chinese will.

NK has nothing, not even sufficient food to feed itself.

But Japan has Okinawa and the new government were going to throw the Americans out.

However, because of the ongoing "crisis" the Japanese have been persuaded to let the Americans keep their base on the island.

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Guest X-QUORK

It was George Bush... with a candle stick.. in the living room..

...in a hole...with an owl...in the fog...

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Guest KingCharles1st

My money's on Barrymore.

I've heard he's sunk a few floaters in his time...

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To the “outside” world intellectuals who don’t read Korean,

This is a remarkable story of people – the governed(although they are in theory supposed to be the actual governor in democracy), not their government - making difference in the world (history).

1. Compare and contrast.

“More enlightened” American people, Congress and media; Bush; WMD; War (and huge suffering),

(http://whitehouser.com/war/CIA-confirms-Bush-WMD-lie )

and,

“Supposedly less so enlightened” Korean people; Korean President Lee; Cheonan; prevention of War (so far).

(I am including among ‘the Korean people’ the Korean-Americans.)

2. Also remarkable is that the “inside” Korean people braved the government prosecution.

Caveat: Under the current South Korean regime, South Korean citizens can be sued for defamation by their own government officials, and defamation in South Korea is a crime (as well as a civil offense) prosecuted by the government’s own centrally controlled national prosecutors who selectively choose or choose not whom to prosecute.

Recently, Shin Sang-cheol, “an expert placed on the JIG [Joint Investigation Group] by” the National Assembly, got (criminally) sued for defamation by a government official for expressing disagreement over the current South Korean regime’s version of the Cheonan Incident. (http://www.zimbio.com/Mizuho+Fukushima/articles/BvIMjqn_oLw/South+Korean+Investigation+Team+Member+Mr )

(South Korean people’s firsthand knowledge about the pro-government polls is that they are ridiculously overinflated.

A proof: war-fear-mongering South Korean President Lee Myung-bak got unexpectedly humiliated on the June 2 election by the “Supposedly less so enlightened” Korean people,

when “survey conducted by the major daily [pro-government]Dong-A Ilbo and the Korea Research Center from May 24 to 26[7-days-before] forecast[ed] that Oh would beat Han by 20.8 percent.”

Actual election result: 0.6 percent(=”47.4 percent”-”46.8 percent.”)

Source: http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2921960 )

3. A list of early English publications on Questions on the Cheonan Incident and the Power of South Korean Netizens can be found at http://korea.true.ws (by LetsTry Reason) and newer writings at http://letstryreason.wordpress.com .

Also, look at: “the U.S, South Korea, the U.K, Canada and Australia, but not Sweden [NOT Sweden], contributed to the second-statement findings [claiming that North Korea might be guilty]” – “Five reasons why the the JIG’s 5-page statement cannot be considered scientific and objective, nor … ‘international’”

http://japanfocus.org/-JOHN-MCGLYNN/3372 ;

“Russian Probe Sees No North Korea Hand In Cheonan Sinking! Russia Says Sea Mine Sunk Cheonan”

http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2010/07/28/russian-probe-sees-no-north-korea-hand-in-cheonan-sinking/ ;

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2010/06/30/pcc-772-cheonan-south-korean-government-admits-the-deception-and-then-lies-about-it/ ;

http://nature.com/news/2010/080710/full/news.2010.343.html ;

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-korea-torpedo-20100724,0,4196801,full.story

4. Compare and contrast.

9/11; Al-Qaeda; brags We did it(, was not wrong, not sorry about it and we will do it again).

Cheonan; North Korea; brags We didn’t do it (therefore, presumably, was wrong, sorry about it and we will not do it). (Why the difference?)

Crime and punishment. If we are taking consequentialist moral philosophy, and if the utilitarian utility of punishment is to prevent future crime, then punishment serves little or no purpose (maybe to others but not)to North Korea who says ‘We didn’t do it,’ because either (a) the North didn’t do it, therefore the punishment will be outrageous injustice,

or (B) the North did do it, but ‘We didn’t do it’ basically implies ‘We will not do it.’

(This particular ‘it’ hardly gives the North any payoff.)

*If you don’t get scared of us, how can We become the terrorist, and if you don’t know We did it, how can you get scared of us?

5. Representative democracy is not pure democracy. (Pure)Direct democracy of a nation-size is now (or becoming) possible, through recent developments in computer science and technology, making secure private Internet-voting, democratic online discussions, cheap instantaneous micro referendum and freedom of choice to vote directly on an issue or use an agent possible.

The science (computer science) should finally make the people, the governed, the actual de facto governor in democracy.

6. I take this honor of hereby formally asking the folks in Norway to consider awarding a Nobel Peace Prize to the “Supposedly less so enlightened” Korean people including myself,

who in early days, among various activities, proposed the “outside” world contact initiative for the Cheonan peace, providing email addresses of all the foreign embassies in Korea, U.N., Hillary, Obama, and the foreign media.

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NK has nothing, not even sufficient food to feed itself.

But Japan has Okinawa and the new government were going to throw the Americans out. ask them to leave very politely

However, because of the ongoing "crisis" the Japanese have been persuaded to let the Americans keep their base on the island. the Yanks told them to feck off and Hatoyama is wetter than a haddock's underpants, it was never really going to happen.

Corrected for you

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