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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/10182092.stm

Carmaker Jaguar Land Rover is going to start assembling vehicles in China, the BBC can confirm.

"We will need to manufacture at least two models in China," said chief executive Carl-Peter Forster in an interview.

"We'll take one to two years to set it up, but first we will need a partner."

The company said the move into China is not a shift out of the UK, where it is planning to hire an extra 1,000 workers this year.

The new jobs that are being created will be temporary and are linked to the production of a smaller Land Rover model due next year.

"It takes a year or two before the jobs become permanent," said Mr Forster, who is also chief executive of Tata Motors, Jaguar Land Rover's parent company.

Last year, Jaguar Land Rover's workforce in the UK was reduced by about 2,500 people to 16,000.

We cant even manufacturer high-end £70,000 luxury cars.

Will the last Brit with a job please turn out the light?

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We cant even manufacturer high-end £70,000 luxury cars.

Will the last Brit with a job please turn out the light?

We can manufacture anything thats why we are the 6th (?) largest exporter in the world.

What we cant do is compete on terms and conditions.

Did you see those Chinese people on the news yesterday ? I think they were mourning relatives who had comitted suicide because they couldn't cope with their working terms and conditions under outsourced Apple manufacturing. They prefered to be dead.apparently.

Coming to a workplace near you ?

'' Lets get Britain competing again.'' ''You wont be allowed to turn down a job''.

I am concerned where its all heading ( and that you may not see that )

What it all means is the rich will be getting a whole lot richer.

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We can manufacture anything thats why we are the 6th (?) largest exporter in the world.

What we cant do is compete on terms and conditions.

Did you see those Chinese people on the news yesterday ? I think they were mourning relatives who had comitted suicide because they couldn't cope with their working terms and conditions under outsourced Apple manufacturing. They prefered to be dead.apparently.

Coming to a workplace near you ?

'' Lets get Britain competing again.'' ''You wont be allowed to turn down a job''.

I am concerned where its all heading ( and that you may not see that )

What it all means is the rich will be getting a whole lot richer.

Sorry but we need to get working again.

Wealth cannot be created from thin air.

Most of those Chinese workers could be replaced by robots, but bizarrely it is cheaper to employ them as their currency has been so artificially manipulated by the oppressive communist regime.

Manufacturing does not mean slavery. Slave jobs can be done with robots.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/10182092.stm

We cant even manufacturer high-end £70,000 luxury cars.

Will the last Brit with a job please turn out the light?

Except that the Land Rovers will then be high-priced crud.

Family member was sent to China by employer to look at sourcing components in order to cut costs. After much to-ing and fro-ing by him and lots of other staff, the company decided there was no point, as no way could they accept the quality they were being offered if they wanted to keep selling to their customers.

That doesn't mean the components are made in Britain - they're mostly made in Europe.

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Except that the Land Rovers will then be high-priced crud.

Family member was sent to China by employer to look at sourcing components in order to cut costs. After much to-ing and fro-ing by him and lots of other staff, the company decided there was no point, as no way could they accept the quality they were being offered if they wanted to keep selling to their customers.

That doesn't mean the components are made in Britain - they're mostly made in Europe.

Yes, I worked for an outfit that imported a lot of Chinese stuff. Some was OK but a lot was absolute rubbish. Even worse, a given supplier would produce some useable items and some rubbish items, no consistancy.

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Do Land Rover's management have any experience of dealing with a bunch of communist workers?

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Do Land Rover's management have any experience of dealing with a bunch of communist workers?

Yes, Land Rover was part of British Leyland, so the company has a history of dealing with a*rsholes.

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Hopefully only for consumption in China.

At least with a sh1te kettle nobody dies (usually) when it falls apart with 2 weeks.

Anyway, they're all part of Tata's nano empire so who would want a Tata Jaguar or Tata Land Rover anyway?

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/china-business/7773011/A-look-inside-the-Foxconn-suicide-factory.html

An undercover team of seven Chinese investigators infiltrated the Longhua plant one week ago and told The Daily Telegraph that the trigger for the mass suicides is “inside the factory” rather than any personal or social impetus.

“The facilities at Foxconn are fine, but the management is poor,” revealed Zhu Guangbing, who organised the investigation. “Hundreds of people work in the workshops but they are not allowed to talk to each other. If you talk, you get a black mark in your record and you get shouted at by your manager. You can also be fined.

He said Foxconn had lost tens of thousands of workers during the financial crisis and had been stretched to the breaking point by the volume of new orders, as products such as the iPad enjoyed monumental success.

“The machines keep moving and the staff have to keep up. The workers need practice to become really efficient, and with a heavy churn of new staff, they cannot adapt. In the past three months, the factory has been losing 50,000 staff a month because workers are burning out,” he said. “Even the engineers and the training staff have had to man the production line,” he added.

“Because Foxconn has had a large number of big orders, the workers are reduced to repeating exactly the same hand movement for months on end.

The workers we have spoken to say that their hands continue to twitch at night, or that when they are walking down the street they cannot help but mimic the motion. They are never able to relax their minds,” he said.

Overtime last year was an average of 120 hours per month per worker, bring their weekly hours up to 70 hours, above the maximum level set by Apple in its guidelines to suppliers. In the wake of the suicides, the company has now reduced the time to 80 hours per month, and is now considering raising its basic wage of 900 yuan (£90) a month by between 50pc and 100pc.

Longhua lies 30 minutes from the southern city of Shenzhen and is ringed with heavy security. Its sheer size is intimidating. “I once went to the west gate rather than the south gate,” said one contractor. “I had to drive around to the right entrance and it took half-an-hour”.

Inside, workers get free meals and accommodation in giant tower blocks. There is a complimentary bus and free laundry. Touch-screen computers around the campus allow each worker to check his current status - how much he has earned that month and how many hours he has worked.

There are free swimming pools, and tennis courts and 500 LED screens beam out exercise programmes across the site, as well as bulletins from Foxconn TV. Clubs organised by the company offer chess, calligraphy, mountain climbing or fishing.

Foxconn says that 8,000 people a day apply for jobs at its factory, drawn by the company’s blue-chip reputation, its prompt payment of wages and benefits and its training programme.

However, workers complained that they simply did not have the time to enjoy the facilities on offer. “The workers we spoke to said they never used the swimming pools, and anyway there are only two among the 300,000 workers, and they are said to be quite dirty,” said Mr Zhu.

Lin Fengxiang, a 23-year-old villager from Maoming, Guangdong, said: “I know why all those people jumped. In here, nobody gives a damn about you. Too bad I’ve already got one foot on this boat. It’s hard to get off now.”

The joyful working conditions of the Chinese worker.

It's the no talking recovery.

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We can manufacture anything thats why we are the 6th (?) largest exporter in the world.

What we cant do is compete on terms and conditions.

Did you see those Chinese people on the news yesterday ? I think they were mourning relatives who had comitted suicide because they couldn't cope with their working terms and conditions under outsourced Apple manufacturing. They prefered to be dead.apparently.

Coming to a workplace near you ?

'' Lets get Britain competing again.'' ''You wont be allowed to turn down a job''.

I am concerned where its all heading ( and that you may not see that )

What it all means is the rich will be getting a whole lot richer.

Yep..thats globalisation for you, a dutch auction of workers terms and conditions until we're all at the same level as the Chinese or just plain jobless.Unfortunately at that stage there won't be enough people with sufficient money to buy all the cheaply manufactured goods and the whole system of globalisation will do what it was always going to do, collapse in on itself as parasite capitalism kills the host..it seems the plutocracy is so blinded by its own greed it fails to see that, or perhaps it does and doesn't care anyway: the rich have a habit of surviving and prospering whatever happens in the outside world.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/10182092.stm

We cant even manufacturer high-end £70,000 luxury cars.

Will the last Brit with a job please turn out the light?

Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose

Jaguar used to be notorious for poor build quality - a friend bought a XJ6 then was shocked when the door handle came away with his hand one day :lol:

Then they went through a few years of decent build under Ford.

Now it looks like they might be returning to their roots: great styling, sh!t build :)

PS I nearly forgot to add the obligatory "It doesn't matter anyway 'cos we're a knowledge economy now".

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Government gives Jaguar Land Rover £27m for green 4X4 GMT 11 Mar 2009

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/4973156/Government-gives-Jaguar-Land-Rover-27m-for-green-4X4.html

That's the British government. British jobs for Chinese workers.

All part of the recovereh in manufacturing.......................................in Shenzen province. :huh:

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We can manufacture anything thats why we are the 6th (?) largest exporter in the world.

What we cant do is compete on terms and conditions.

Did you see those Chinese people on the news yesterday ? I think they were mourning relatives who had comitted suicide because they couldn't cope with their working terms and conditions under outsourced Apple manufacturing. They prefered to be dead. apparently.

Coming to a workplace near you ?

'' Lets get Britain competing again.'' ''You wont be allowed to turn down a job''.

I am concerned where its all heading ( and that you may not see that )

What it all means is the rich will be getting a whole lot richer.

"Prosecutors are acting on a complaint for "moral harassment" filed in December by Sud PTT, one of France Télécom's main labor unions.

The union lodged the complaint after the telecommunications company said that 35 of its employees had taken their own lives between 2008 and 2009."

http://online.wsj.co...3089481468.html

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The joyful working conditions of the Chinese worker.

The globalists will assure you they have been 'lifted out of poverty'- so that's all right then. And as for the suicides- let's just put that down to natural wastage shall we?, as with all livestock one inevitably loses a few.

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If they are just making the old Freelander and a Disco MKII then what's the problem.... you can buy obsolete ZXs, Passats, Jettas, Maestros, Menotgos, Renaults and all sorts in China.... there's no problem with that sort of stuff......

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Given that even 'British' companies are preparing to pull the rug from underneath high value domestic production and workers, or will simply use the implied threat of doing so to get their way, it's about time we started thinking about reimposing tariffs and trade barriers, the alternative is trying to compete with the conditions of Foxconn or being taxed to provide subsidies. Nearly every nation in the East has huge domestic protectionism or "buy China" style policies, Thailand for example levies 200% duties on imported cars.

Seemingly it's only the UK that allows itself to be fully hollowed out and sold down the river by The City in order to generate fat fee's, even the EEA is a joke, our utilities are now owned by huge French and German state monopolies that continue to enjoy near monopoly status in their domestic markets, with British companies blocked from entering. The government also buys into this delusion, every time an industry is sold off they classify it as "direct foreign investment" as it's fresh money to be invested into new facilities or factories creating new jobs.

Let's face it, globalisation and liberalisation is great if you continually run huge trade surpluses and end up owning ever larger chunks of your competitor nations, but for the UK it has been a disaster, our financial services sector is around 9% of GDP, not nearly enough to compensate for the costs of failure resulting from the wholesale destruction of other sectors, and the mass unemployment, or the fact the banks have contributed to more than doubling of the national debt thanks to us needing to bail out their reckless short-termist behaviour.

What does this broken model produce for us? The third largest current account deficit in the world, which simply means more wholesale takeover and destruction of our industry and infrastructure, this is the economics of burning the floorboards to keep warm, the economics of a mad house. Future generations will curse us for not just leaving a huge national debt behind but for also destroying or selling off the capacity to pay it down, and the structural trade deficit that results from remitting all of our profits abroad.

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Given that even 'British' companies are preparing to pull the rug from underneath high value domestic production and workers, or will simply use the implied threat of doing so to get their way, it's about time we started thinking about reimposing tariffs and trade barriers, the alternative is trying to compete with the conditions of Foxconn or being taxed to provide subsidies. Nearly every nation in the East has huge domestic protectionism or "buy China" style policies, Thailand for example levies 200% duties on imported cars.

Seemingly it's only the UK that allows itself to be fully hollowed out and sold down the river by The City in order to generate fat fee's, even the EEA is a joke, our utilities are now owned by huge French and German state monopolies that continue to enjoy near monopoly status in their domestic markets, with British companies blocked from entering. The government also buys into this delusion, every time an industry is sold off they classify it as "direct foreign investment" as it's fresh money to be invested into new facilities or factories creating new jobs.

Let's face it, globalisation and liberalisation is great if you continually run huge trade surpluses and end up owning ever larger chunks of your competitor nations, but for the UK it has been a disaster, our financial services sector is around 9% of GDP, not nearly enough to compensate for the costs of failure resulting from the wholesale destruction of other sectors, and the mass unemployment, or the fact the banks have contributed to more than doubling of the national debt thanks to us needing to bail out their reckless short-termist behaviour.

What does this broken model produce for us? The third largest current account deficit in the world, which simply means more wholesale takeover and destruction of our industry and infrastructure, this is the economics of burning the floorboards to keep warm, the economics of a mad house. Future generations will curse us for not just leaving a huge national debt behind but for also destroying or selling off the capacity to pay it down, and the structural trade deficit that results from remitting all of our profits abroad.

What a class analysis!

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Given that even 'British' companies are preparing to pull the rug from underneath high value domestic production and workers, or will simply use the implied threat of doing so to get their way, it's about time we started thinking about reimposing tariffs and trade barriers, the alternative is trying to compete with the conditions of Foxconn or being taxed to provide subsidies. Nearly every nation in the East has huge domestic protectionism or "buy China" style policies, Thailand for example levies 200% duties on imported cars.

Seemingly it's only the UK that allows itself to be fully hollowed out and sold down the river by The City in order to generate fat fee's, even the EEA is a joke, our utilities are now owned by huge French and German state monopolies that continue to enjoy near monopoly status in their domestic markets, with British companies blocked from entering. The government also buys into this delusion, every time an industry is sold off they classify it as "direct foreign investment" as it's fresh money to be invested into new facilities or factories creating new jobs.

Let's face it, globalisation and liberalisation is great if you continually run huge trade surpluses and end up owning ever larger chunks of your competitor nations, but for the UK it has been a disaster, our financial services sector is around 9% of GDP, not nearly enough to compensate for the costs of failure resulting from the wholesale destruction of other sectors, and the mass unemployment, or the fact the banks have contributed to more than doubling of the national debt thanks to us needing to bail out their reckless short-termist behaviour.

What does this broken model produce for us? The third largest current account deficit in the world, which simply means more wholesale takeover and destruction of our industry and infrastructure, this is the economics of burning the floorboards to keep warm, the economics of a mad house. Future generations will curse us for not just leaving a huge national debt behind but for also destroying or selling off the capacity to pay it down, and the structural trade deficit that results from remitting all of our profits abroad.

+1Though who is going to be able to afford all this production. The elites going to buy up all the iPads and Range Rovers? Certainly isn't going to be the Chinese workers working 70+ hours a week.

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What not to like about chinese? It's the new British. Quintessentially British brands moving there in bucketloads. Don't be fooled by the odd Union Jack logo you may see on a product. The (very small legend below reads 'designed in UK'), if you are lucky. We're finished.

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Given that even 'British' companies are preparing to pull the rug from underneath high value domestic production and workers, or will simply use the implied threat of doing so to get their way, it's about time we started thinking about reimposing tariffs and trade barriers, the alternative is trying to compete with the conditions of Foxconn or being taxed to provide subsidies. Nearly every nation in the East has huge domestic protectionism or "buy China" style policies, Thailand for example levies 200% duties on imported cars.

Seemingly it's only the UK that allows itself to be fully hollowed out and sold down the river by The City in order to generate fat fee's, even the EEA is a joke, our utilities are now owned by huge French and German state monopolies that continue to enjoy near monopoly status in their domestic markets, with British companies blocked from entering. The government also buys into this delusion, every time an industry is sold off they classify it as "direct foreign investment" as it's fresh money to be invested into new facilities or factories creating new jobs.

Let's face it, globalisation and liberalisation is great if you continually run huge trade surpluses and end up owning ever larger chunks of your competitor nations, but for the UK it has been a disaster, our financial services sector is around 9% of GDP, not nearly enough to compensate for the costs of failure resulting from the wholesale destruction of other sectors, and the mass unemployment, or the fact the banks have contributed to more than doubling of the national debt thanks to us needing to bail out their reckless short-termist behaviour.

What does this broken model produce for us? The third largest current account deficit in the world, which simply means more wholesale takeover and destruction of our industry and infrastructure, this is the economics of burning the floorboards to keep warm, the economics of a mad house. Future generations will curse us for not just leaving a huge national debt behind but for also destroying or selling off the capacity to pay it down, and the structural trade deficit that results from remitting all of our profits abroad.

Good post. I fail to understand how anyone can now believe that globalisation is not a failed policy, it has utterly corrupted the capitalist

system, it is parasitic and has been tremendously destructive, we desperately need a new economic model.

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