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Unfortunately my office has only a paper thin wall between it and our main meeting room, so I get to hear quite a bit of what goes on (I'd rather I didn't). Without fail, whenever the sales teams have their meetings we're "treated" to a day of shouting, clapping, cheering and general fecking noise. In fact, I just had to go and give the daggers to a couple of lads playing football in the corridor (I shit you not).

I'd like to know which planet these people inhabit, and why they've evolved into such complete cockends.

Rant over, for now.

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Unfortunately my office has only a paper thin wall between it and our main meeting room, so I get to hear quite a bit of what goes on (I'd rather I didn't). Without fail, whenever the sales teams have their meetings we're "treated" to a day of shouting, clapping, cheering and general fecking noise. In fact, I just had to go and give the daggers to a couple of lads playing football in the corridor (I shit you not).

I'd like to know which planet these people inhabit, and why they've evolved into such complete cockends.

Rant over, for now.

I blame it on the current corporate obsession for team building events.

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Unfortunately my office has only a paper thin wall between it and our main meeting room, so I get to hear quite a bit of what goes on (I'd rather I didn't). Without fail, whenever the sales teams have their meetings we're "treated" to a day of shouting, clapping, cheering and general fecking noise. In fact, I just had to go and give the daggers to a couple of lads playing football in the corridor (I shit you not).

I'd like to know which planet these people inhabit, and why they've evolved into such complete cockends.

Rant over, for now.

Ha ha. You work in a call centre.

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Ha ha. You work in a call centre.

No, just another office drone like most people.

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Unfortunately corporate sales people make the money, a good business is the difference between good salesmen/women and bad salesmen/women. They tend to be idiots, and technical people cant stand them but the majority of the population will fall for there charms, and the best salesmen will even be able to charm a techy...

They are positive, excitable, happy, chatty and the good ones actually listen..

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They are positive, excitable, happy, chatty and the good ones actually listen..

I wish they'd f**k off and be positive, excitable, happy and chatty somewhere else.

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Unfortunately corporate sales people make the money, a good business is the difference between good salesmen/women and bad salesmen/women.  They tend to be idiots, and technical people cant stand them but the majority of the population will fall for there charms, and the best salesmen will even be able to charm a techy...

They are positive, excitable, happy, chatty and the good ones actually listen..

Yes, there's one difference between a good business and a bad one, but without the technical people you don't have a business at all.

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Unfortunately corporate sales people make the money, a good business is the difference between good salesmen/women and bad salesmen/women. They tend to be idiots, and technical people cant stand them but the majority of the population will fall for there charms, and the best salesmen will even be able to charm a techy...

They are positive, excitable, happy, chatty and the good ones actually listen..

In my experience they are also the most gullible.

If you really believe in your product then it will be easier to sell.

Gullibility helps when you have a crap product.

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Don't hate them. Join them.

If you work in an office, like many people, resentment will turn you mad. Learn how to be a bit more of a c0ck at work. Act a bit more arrogant.

Believe it or not, you will get more respect for it and enhance your long term prospects.

Bitter, resentful - did it myself for years and ended up moving jobs every 2 years. My natural strategy didn't work.

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Don't hate them. Join them.

If you work in an office, like many people, resentment will turn you mad. Learn how to be a bit more of a c0ck at work. Act a bit more arrogant.

Believe it or not, you will get more respect for it and enhance your long term prospects.

Bitter, resentful - did it myself for years and ended up moving jobs every 2 years. My natural strategy didn't work.

Become a ****. Great advice Rolf, cheers.

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Become a ****. Great advice Rolf, cheers.

Well this belief of mine comes from my few years of experience in the corporate world and the world at large (I'm a smidgen over 30).

I used to believe that if you followed the system, worked hard, was always helpful etc. You would be recognised for your efforts and get your deserved rewards.

My experience in 4 different companies, most big, some smaller, is that this strategy simply doesn't work. To succeed you have to be selfish. You have to be a ****. You have to be aggressive and not just assertive. You need to be a bit of a d1ck.

Like I said, resentment means you are doing something wrong. Been there and done it and had enough of being resentful.

It's a dog eat dog world out there.

If it helps, just remember that 99% of people in the world are total f**k1n idiots.

I think your socialist tendencies are holding you back. To make the most of them, you ought to be on incapacity benefit and just doss around. Working for a living if you're not willing to be a c1ck has got to be like hell on earth for a dyed in the wool socialist!

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Rolf, I'm not here to try and climb the corporate ladder or to spend time de-risking a blue sky concept. I'm an engineer, so fortunately I don't need to become a **** to get on. It's just a shame that sometimes I have to share the same space as these people...I'd rather stick needles in my eyes than become one of them.

Socialism and work aren't incompatible, not that I consider myself anything other than slightly left of centre. I believe in market economies, but I also recognise that they need strict controls otherwise we end up in the kind of shit we're in now. If that's socialist in your eyes, fine.

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Rolf, I'm not here to try and climb the corporate ladder or to spend time de-risking a blue sky concept. I'm an engineer, so fortunately I don't need to become a **** to get on. It's just a shame that sometimes I have to share the same space as these people...I'd rather stick needles in my eyes than become one of them.

Socialism and work aren't incompatible, not that I consider myself anything other than slightly left of centre. I believe in market economies, but I also recognise that they need strict controls otherwise we end up in the kind of shit we're in now. If that's socialist in your eyes, fine.

Eh! This is HPC, so stop that "middle-of-the-road reasonable talking" stuff, ok?

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Don't hate them. Join them.

If you work in an office, like many people, resentment will turn you mad. Learn how to be a bit more of a c0ck at work. Act a bit more arrogant.

Believe it or not, you will get more respect for it and enhance your long term prospects.

Bitter, resentful - did it myself for years and ended up moving jobs every 2 years. My natural strategy didn't work.

There's also Plan B: go self-employed :)

I've gone down this route myself, one of my (many) motivations was that I feel that I'm more likely to be judged on my ability to add value to a customer's business, rather than on my rimming skills ;)

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Rolf, I'm not here to try and climb the corporate ladder or to spend time de-risking a blue sky concept. I'm an engineer, so fortunately I don't need to become a **** to get on. It's just a shame that sometimes I have to share the same space as these people...I'd rather stick needles in my eyes than become one of them.

Socialism and work aren't incompatible, not that I consider myself anything other than slightly left of centre. I believe in market economies, but I also recognise that they need strict controls otherwise we end up in the kind of shit we're in now. If that's socialist in your eyes, fine.

I see what you mean, but I am a bit surprised how much these people get to you. Something I am trying to do in my life is to become immune to what would otherwise cause "stress" in most people. What is stress anyway? It's when a stimulus causes a physical reaction, and gradually leads to ill health and many diseases/conditions. I've heard part of your story here before, so I hope you can eventually get away from these people.

I agree with you, regulation is necessary and it doesn't make a government socialist (though yanks think Obama is a socialist with his healthcare bill!!!!). Bit surprised to hear you are only just left of centre, I mis-read you. Must have been the avatar. Perhaps subconsciously I believe you really are Tony Benn!

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Perhaps subconsciously I believe you really are Tony Benn!

There's a lot to admire about Tony, but I don't agree with him on everything...and I'm a particularly angry ex-Labour voter (now LibDem), so I'm fully behind the LibCon coalition.

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Rolf, I'm not here to try and climb the corporate ladder or to spend time de-risking a blue sky concept. I'm an engineer, so fortunately I don't need to become a **** to get on. It's just a shame that sometimes I have to share the same space as these people...I'd rather stick needles in my eyes than become one of them.

Socialism and work aren't incompatible, not that I consider myself anything other than slightly left of centre. I believe in market economies, but I also recognise that they need strict controls otherwise we end up in the kind of shit we're in now. If that's socialist in your eyes, fine.

Been there felt that. :)

OTOH Technical people can be effective at selling, and can enjoy it. I started technical, did some sales, moved back to technical. Can''t really be counted as a sales person, just somebody who manages to sell a bit. Something I noticed is that sales can include a methodical, painstaking, organised sort of person. And looking beyond the noisy exterior I found some sales people have skill sets that one can learn to admire.

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I think Machiavelli`s The Prince may have some useful counsel; also try reading The 48 Laws of Power.

Hope this helps ;)

I've read the 48 laws of power after it was recommended on this site. I too recommend it. I realised that reading it does not mean that you have to try to be a ******* like everyone else, but it does help you to understand the rules of the game and to protect yourself from the other bastards who will try to manipulate you.

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What is stress anyway?

The emotional consequence of not being in control when you need to be.

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The emotional consequence of not being in control when you need to be.

Cortisol levels are highest during periods of intense exercise that you can be fully in control of.

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Don't hate them. Join them.

If you work in an office, like many people, resentment will turn you mad. Learn how to be a bit more of a c0ck at work. Act a bit more arrogant.

Believe it or not, you will get more respect for it and enhance your long term prospects.

Bitter, resentful - did it myself for years and ended up moving jobs every 2 years. My natural strategy didn't work.

Thanks for this bit of advice. I believe you're right and I'll try and remember this because I'm a bit younger than you and am certainly heading that way. Must be a c0ck...

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The emotional consequence of not being in control when you need to be.

Or, to put it another way, "the emotional consequence..." of not being able (or not feeling able) to get out of an intolerable situation.

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