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Always be wary of spending out money on things that only make sense because of a tax break or other piece of legislation that creates a totally artificial market.

Because the government giveth, and the government taketh away.

As well as electric car subsidies, beware of expensive LPG conversions, solar and wind gubbins on your houses, wind farms, training as a HIP or EPC inspector, I could go on.

If your "money saving" or justification for doing something is a totally arbitrary tax, or tax break, or new law, then at a stroke a government could just change their mind.

Leaving those who invested in whatever it is, or in infrastructure or expertise to use around whatever it is, are hung out to dry.

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I don't think electric cars make environmental sense anyway. By the time you look at the CO2s pumped out by the power station, transmission losses, battery inefficiencies and so on, it almost certainly is more poluting than a clean diesel car. Trams certainly make sense for the busiest bus routes, even if it is just for their higher capacity, but battery charged electric cars just don't make sense, and hybrid cars produce pretty much the same number of CO2s as diesel cars.

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I don't think electric cars make environmental sense anyway. By the time you look at the CO2s pumped out by the power station, transmission losses, battery inefficiencies and so on, it almost certainly is more poluting than a clean diesel car. Trams certainly make sense for the busiest bus routes, even if it is just for their higher capacity, but battery charged electric cars just don't make sense, and hybrid cars produce pretty much the same number of CO2s as diesel cars.

It's not the electrical storage/transmission issues that are the problem, it's what the batteries are made of.

Huge quantities of nasty chemicals used in batteries andin making them

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The whole electric car thing was to buy labour votes.

promises of a factory in 2013 to make a car not even on the drawing board yet and then to promise sales by giving big discounts to make it price even with a real car.

Insanity by Brown and co from the start.

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I see the future for electric vehicles being in small 2 seater cars for urban use and for urban delivery vans where daily mileage is within the battery range. In itself an electric car has zero emissions in use. In theory, the electricity used to charge the car's batteries can be zero emissions too, if a renewable generating source is used. There might be collateral emission damage in the manufacture process for an electric car, but it's not as though that doesn't occur with internal combustion engined cars as well - not forgetting the environmental impact of extracting, transporting and refining of the fuels used to power them.

The Nissan Leaf might succeed because it's a big fish in a small pond - the only pure electric family 4/5 seater, it will have the market to itself until the VW's electric Golf comes along in a few years.

But the three most significant electric vehicles are, I think 1) the G-Wiz - despite its flaws its shown there's a market niche, which is now waiting to be taken over by something better, 2) The Modec delivery van - designed from the ground up as an electric delivery van for city use and 3) The Tesla Roadster - the technical torch bearer for electric vehicles, a bit in the way that the Bugatti Veyron is for supercars.

What I find interesting at the moment is that there are so many ideas being developed for future vehicle propulsion - in particular the different ways that hybrid systems can be arranged - from the range-extender (battery electric with engine driven generator to kick in when battert runs low) to stand-alone hybrid (normal engine and gearbox driving front wheels and electric motor / generators plus battery driving rear wheels.

35 years ago people dismissed the diesel car as slow, noisy and smelly - because it was. Only a few diesel models were available and were mostly used as taxis. VW and Peugeot have probably done most to popularise diesel cars and now they are as good as or better than petrol ones. Maybe we'll see the same thing with electric cars.

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    1. 1. Including the effects Brexit, where do you think average UK house prices will be relative to now in June 2020?


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