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"You're either with us or against us." - G. Dubya

Come on Bruce, life isn't always as simple as you'd like it to be.

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"You're either with us or against us." - G. Dubya

Come on Bruce, life isn't always as simple as you'd like it to be.

Let me clarify then.

On balance what do you consider yourself? Socialist or Other?

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Yes, but it doesn't really mean a lot if you don't include a definition.

Everybody from Eric Blair on the extreme left to Tony Blair on the extreme right has called themselves a socialist.

Lionel Blair's views remain unknown.

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Unfortunately most people confuse socialism with state socialism, state capitalism, state corporatism, globalism, totalitarianism, usually depending on what the argument is.

The irony is that those who seem to most vehemently hate such 'socialism', libertarians or those on the far economic right, are pretty close to the core socialist principle of free association of labour - a market of individual business owners rather than employees.

It's a pity that such misunderstandings get in the way of good debates and lead to the usual left vs right nonsense.

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I woke up this morning and was hit by the horrible realization that the best PM we've had in the past twenty years was John Major.

Best of the last 30 years.

In order, best to worst.

Major, Brown, Thatcher, Blair.

Brown slightly blots his copybook with being the second worst chancellor of the same period,

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Yes, but it doesn't really mean a lot if you don't include a definition.

Everybody from Eric Blair on the extreme left to Tony Blair on the extreme right has called themselves a socialist.

Lionel Blair's views remain unknown.

Poll should be: Are you a fascist or a libertarian?

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I woke up this morning and was hit by the horrible realization that the best PM we've had in the past twenty years was John Major.

Why horrible? Major is a decent man.

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:rolleyes:

Yeah, that'd be right. Now come here I want to make you into soap.

Finally realised socialist is not the mask you want to wear? Have fun dancing down Benito's Third Way.

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Best of the last 30 years.

In order, best to worst.

Major, Brown, Thatcher, Blair.

Brown slightly blots his copybook with being the second worst chancellor of the same period,

IMO you should break them down into parliamentary terms.

Best to worst :

Major both in 1990-91 and 1992-1997, Blair 1997-2001,Thatcher 1979-1983, Thatcher 1983-1987, Thatcher 1987-1990, Blair 2001-2005, Blair 2005-2007, Brown 2007-2010.

There's a pattern to the bad ones - don't leave them in power too long, they get worse and worse!

Blairs evil remained quite well hidden and he did little badly wrong that could be seen until the twin towers were attacked.

He would have been Saruman in the Lord of the Rings.

Who on earth was a worse chancellor than Brown in your opinion? :blink:

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Unfortunately most people confuse socialism with state socialism, state capitalism, state corporatism, globalism, totalitarianism, usually depending on what the argument is.

The irony is that those who seem to most vehemently hate such 'socialism', libertarians or those on the far economic right, are pretty close to the core socialist principle of free association of labour - a market of individual business owners rather than employees.

It's a pity that such misunderstandings get in the way of good debates and lead to the usual left vs right nonsense.

Thank you for that Shipbuilder.

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The horror...the horror.

You picked up on the wrong word there X. Decent decent. Ask Norma "Stan-yand by your Ma-yan. F*** off and watch a bit of cricket you two timin wonderful husband

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I used to think I was a socialist and a Labour supporter but the antics of Blair and Brown leave me hanging my head in shame. Then looking for alternatives I flirted with the SWP - That turned out to be so full of internecine division it was like being in the Life of Brian "Well, what are we? The People's liberation front of Judea or the Judean People's Liberation Front?" "No, we're not them - we HATE them..." Not to mention run by a crew of angry self hating middle-class class warriors.

I woke up this morning and was hit by the horrible realization that the best PM we've had in the past twenty years was John Major. In this case Best = Least worst. Political discourse in this country is shocking. You've got a beauty contest between two ugly doctrines, two and a half if you count the liberals and discussion seems to be dominated by tools like Oborne, the various Murdoch organs and the chattering wingnuts at the Grauniad.

All too depressingly pish for a punter to contemplate.

So I gave it up and joined....

I came to the conclusion that John Major was my favourite politician a few years ago (In this case Best = Least worst).

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The following quote, I feel, from Winston Churchill sums up socialism:

“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.”

Or this one:

“Socialism is simply Communism for people without the testosterone to man the barricades”

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Stupid question unless you define socialist very tightly?

You may aswell ask 'do you believe in democracy'?

And then launch a tirade against anyone that does because of the actions of the DEMOCRATIC People's Republic of Korea.

Up your game Bruce, do you mean Juche or Marxist or Stalinist or Trotskyist or Maoist or anybody that doesn't blindly support George Bushism?

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Stupid question unless you define socialist very tightly?

You may aswell ask 'do you believe in democracy'?

And then launch a tirade against anyone that does because of the actions of the DEMOCRATIC People's Republic of Korea.

Up your game Bruce, do you mean Juche or Marxist or Stalinist or Trotskyist or Maoist or anybody that doesn't blindly support George Bushism?

Nope, I just mean 'Do you consider yourself to be a socialist', whatever that means to you.

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The following quote, I feel, from Winston Churchill sums up socialism:

“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.”

Or this one:

“Socialism is simply Communism for people without the testosterone to man the barricades”

Yuck.

Winston, there was a reason you were thrown out in 1945.

Destiny walked with the man and he rose to it, but if there had been no war he'd have been seen as an overprivileged a4se.

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how do you define socialsim?

it's not statism....where the government machinery becomes mummy and daddy.

it's not capitalism...where the survival of the fittest restores equilibrium to other social projects.....or in it's most extreme form corporatism.

if we are saying that the basic unit of society is the family,but within the family are people that need to be cared for at the extremities of age range.....like toddlers/newborns and the infirm/elderly....paid for by those who are capable of providing something towards it.

..then if that is socialism,I am.

it's part of the social contract IMHO.....I got my years of dependence looked after by my elders,so I would expect to do the same for my parents as they get on a bit,and my offspring as they develop.

the problem seems to arise when a large corporate body(either company mega-corp or the state mega-corp) thinks it knows best and tries to regiment everything.

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