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Computers To Take Human Jobs

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What these people forget is that this trend has been driven by cheap oil and easy access to rare earth minerals. When either runs out, it will become less economically viable than employing humans again.

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People still have to design and make the automated systems. Then maintain them. Upgrade them. Support them. Sell them. Talk about them. Move them.

Automation cuts down on human work - however not completely.

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Aye, as soon as someone discovered they could do 3 mens work digging holes using a bit of antler rather than their bare hands, employment opportunities and standards of life have plummetted across the globe.

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Aye, as soon as someone discovered they could do 3 mens work digging holes using a bit of antler rather than their bare hands, employment opportunities and standards of life have plummetted across the globe.

I mentioned this on another thread. In a sensible world it should mean one of two things:

1) We're happy with what we've got, so we can all sit back and enjoy ourselves more.

and / or

2) We use the time we no longer have to spend digging the hole by hand to go off and do something else, hopefully raising our standard of living.

(1) doesn't seem to work because the remaining hole diggers want the same rewards as always and aren't prepared to split the work (the cave chief will then only give them as third as many pebbles), whilst (2) relies on us being able to think up of new things to do as quickly as we automate or increase efficiency. It's been pretty succesful but it's a bike we can't get off without crashing it.

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Is your name a reference to the anarchic system in Elite?

Right On Commander!

(not that I am an anarchist)

edit: I'm not a rodent either.

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If machines do 20% of the overall work that humans are currently doing, it would mean that humans could work one day less a week for the same standard of living. If they did 100% then humans would never have to work again. However, it does not usually work like this because the increased living standards go disproportionately to the rich.

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If machines do 20% of the overall work that humans are currently doing, it would mean that humans could work one day less a week for the same standard of living. If they did 100% then humans would never have to work again. However, it does not usually work like this because the increased living standards go disproportionately to the rich.

Not necessarily the rich, just those still working. Automate a bit of work, sack a few people, you have a bit more unemployment because the majority who are still working aren't going to share with those who aren't, and they'll view a reduction in hours in much the same way. So you have to find another job for the sacked ones. That helps to force development but can also lead to either lots of unemployment if you don't find anything new, or an economy that relies on producing and selling pointless tat.

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Not necessarily the rich, just those still working. Automate a bit of work, sack a few people, you have a bit more unemployment because the majority who are still working aren't going to share with those who aren't, and they'll view a reduction in hours in much the same way. So you have to find another job for the sacked ones. That helps to force development but can also lead to either lots of unemployment if you don't find anything new, or an economy that relies on producing and selling pointless tat.

At least their benefits would go further.

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If machines do 20% of the overall work that humans are currently doing, it would mean that humans could work one day less a week for the same standard of living. If they did 100% then humans would never have to work again. However, it does not usually work like this because the increased living standards go disproportionately to the rich.

That could never happen unless robots get to the point where they can think like humans. Someone always has to work out to tell them what to do, and work out what to do when problems occur. That is work.

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  • 259 Brexit, House prices and Summer 2020

    1. 1. Including the effects Brexit, where do you think average UK house prices will be relative to now in June 2020?


      • down 5% +
      • down 2.5%
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      • up 2.5%
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