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I,m reminded of a line from the film warlord starring nic cage. "making an honest buck isn,t as easy as you,d think, everyone else is doing it, and the margins are too tight".

After paying off the bankers/shareholders/property owners and the state while complying with all the hse/employment requirements isn,t it just easier to invest in stocks&shares/property/insurances than take a risk on real wealth producing activities? We have seen the result, Too many people are chasing returns for doing no more than pressing a few buttons and moving/creating "capital" from one place to another then expecting to be highly rewarded for doing so. Costs for real wealth producing businesses need to be reduced to make them worthwhile but we seem to have become a nation of "skimmers" who expect a living from not doing/producing anything much at all. This obviously needs to change if we are to move forward as the knowledge based economy is being exposed for the scam that it always was.

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I,m reminded of a line from the film warlord starring nic cage. "making an honest buck isn,t as easy as you,d think, everyone else is doing it, and the margins are too tight".

After paying off the bankers/shareholders/property owners and the state while complying with all the hse/employment requirements isn,t it just easier to invest in stocks&shares/property/insurances than take a risk on real wealth producing activities? We have seen the result, Too many people are chasing returns for doing no more than pressing a few buttons and moving/creating "capital" from one place to another then expecting to be highly rewarded for doing so. Costs for real wealth producing businesses need to be reduced to make them worthwhile but we seem to have become a nation of "skimmers" who expect a living from not doing/producing anything much at all. This obviously needs to change if we are to move forward as the knowledge based economy is being exposed for the scam that it always was.

There is some truth in this.

If, for example, you lease a retail unit - i.e shop - that has been empty for years the moment it looks as if you are doing OK you usually find the landlord ups your lease and the Council are even quicker in ramping up your Council Tax.

If you look at an average small town shopping street you can see all the shops have different business rates - why is this?

Then there is the nightmare of tending for public service contracts - everything from multi-million poun d IT services down to supply toilet roll in the local schools. The amount of paper work is time-consuming and it basically comes down to some jobsworth somewhere making a decision.

If you are a single person or a two or three people in a business the public sector often use excuses such "What will happen to us if you all die?" as an excuse for you being too small to take on the most trivial of contracts.

Or the other one is wanting 5 years business records despite the fact that this rule was changed a few years back the mandarins still adhere to it - so if Bill Gates & Steve Jobs set up a new company and applied to, for example, the Welsh Assembly tendering to run the printers they would be refused on the grounds they do not have 5 years books.

IMPO we could fire 75% of public sector workers and most of us would not notice. Yes, doctors, nurses, teachers, fire-fighters, paramedics, hospital porters, food standards people, etc, are vital but 99% of the public sector simply churn out paperwork and red tape which makes the UK uncompetitive.

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This obviously needs to change if we are to move forward as the knowledge based economy is being exposed for the scam that it always was.

It was mistaken as a new age, when what it actually is is the mechanisation of information management and distribution, which is slowly but surely making an extraordinarily large number of people completely redundant. Such reduction of waste is surely a good thing in the long run, but what these people are going to do instead is currently beyond me.

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It was mistaken as a new age, when what it actually is is the mechanisation of information management and distribution, which is slowly but surely making an extraordinarily large number of people completely redundant. Such reduction of waste is surely a good thing in the long run, but what these people are going to do instead is currently beyond me.

some waste of space "research" on R4 as I was driving home this afternoon. the "dr" researching who was to blame for the banking failure.

the dimwit interviewed city workers, an economist and a few psychoanalysts.

course, she discovered, no-one at all was to blame.

still, only interviewing the footsoldiers who are paid commission on fees and gains, and need them because ( and I quote) "the finance industry is only fairly well paid," you need to have a bonus structure, the doctor found that its the "system" thats to blame. Maybe she should have looked deeper at what the "industry" does to influence and change the legal structures that allow them pillage the nations.

I bet the Beeb paid 20K for the hald hour piece of nonsense.

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There is some truth in this.

If, for example, you lease a retail unit - i.e shop - that has been empty for years the moment it looks as if you are doing OK you usually find the landlord ups your lease and the Council are even quicker in ramping up your Council Tax.

If you look at an average small town shopping street you can see all the shops have different business rates - why is this?

Then there is the nightmare of tending for public service contracts - everything from multi-million poun d IT services down to supply toilet roll in the local schools. The amount of paper work is time-consuming and it basically comes down to some jobsworth somewhere making a decision.

If you are a single person or a two or three people in a business the public sector often use excuses such "What will happen to us if you all die?" as an excuse for you being too small to take on the most trivial of contracts.

Or the other one is wanting 5 years business records despite the fact that this rule was changed a few years back the mandarins still adhere to it - so if Bill Gates & Steve Jobs set up a new company and applied to, for example, the Welsh Assembly tendering to run the printers they would be refused on the grounds they do not have 5 years books.

IMPO we could fire 75% of public sector workers and most of us would not notice. Yes, doctors, nurses, teachers, fire-fighters, paramedics, hospital porters, food standards people, etc, are vital but 99% of the public sector simply churn out paperwork and red tape which makes the UK uncompetitive.

...it's like they like to make anything that is so simple more complicated.....it feels like they trying to block the arteries, trying to stop the flow of blood around the system.....eventually the way they are going they will kill it. :blink:

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...it's like they like to make anything that is so simple more complicated.....it feels like they trying to block the arteries, trying to stop the flow of blood around the system.....eventually the way they are going they will kill it. :blink:

They have.

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There is some truth in this.

If, for example, you lease a retail unit - i.e shop - that has been empty for years the moment it looks as if you are doing OK you usually find the landlord ups your lease and the Council are even quicker in ramping up your Council Tax.

If you look at an average small town shopping street you can see all the shops have different business rates - why is this?

Then there is the nightmare of tending for public service contracts - everything from multi-million poun d IT services down to supply toilet roll in the local schools. The amount of paper work is time-consuming and it basically comes down to some jobsworth somewhere making a decision.

If you are a single person or a two or three people in a business the public sector often use excuses such "What will happen to us if you all die?" as an excuse for you being too small to take on the most trivial of contracts.

Or the other one is wanting 5 years business records despite the fact that this rule was changed a few years back the mandarins still adhere to it - so if Bill Gates & Steve Jobs set up a new company and applied to, for example, the Welsh Assembly tendering to run the printers they would be refused on the grounds they do not have 5 years books.

IMPO we could fire 75% of public sector workers and most of us would not notice. Yes, doctors, nurses, teachers, fire-fighters, paramedics, hospital porters, food standards people, etc, are vital but 99% of the public sector simply churn out paperwork and red tape which makes the UK uncompetitive.

I was listening to a piece about recryitment of white collar staff in the Police a few days ago. Apparantly the numbers have been going through the roof. Reason, the perception that Police Officers were spending too much time on paperwork and not 'out there' doing what they were trained for. Now there is a clamour to get rid of white collar staff in the police force because they are 'unproductive backroom workers'. What you will find as thousands of backroom staff in Education, health, emergency servicesb and local government is that frontline staff have to do the ordering, cleaning and other admin stuff that is neccessary for them to do their job. Of course you will then get headlines in the tabloids about Police, ?nurses and firefighters spending too much time on paperwork instead of doing what they have been trained for. Btw, when does 75%=99%?

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I was listening to a piece about recryitment of white collar staff in the Police a few days ago. Apparantly the numbers have been going through the roof. Reason, the perception that Police Officers were spending too much time on paperwork and not 'out there' doing what they were trained for. Now there is a clamour to get rid of white collar staff in the police force because they are 'unproductive backroom workers'. What you will find as thousands of backroom staff in Education, health, emergency servicesb and local government is that frontline staff have to do the ordering, cleaning and other admin stuff that is neccessary for them to do their job. Of course you will then get headlines in the tabloids about Police, ?nurses and firefighters spending too much time on paperwork instead of doing what they have been trained for. Btw, when does 75%=99%?

police civilian workers get all the privileges....they tend not to work shifts yet many of their departments are needed to supply info 24hours.

The Essex CRO office, for example, had (when I was in the Plod) 2 Pcs and a sergeant on the same 4 shift rotation as the rest of the police, then the civis came in during office hours.

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...it's like they like to make anything that is so simple more complicated.....it feels like they trying to block the arteries, trying to stop the flow of blood around the system.....eventually the way they are going they will kill it. :blink:

I am sure it is becuase jobs worths within gov't or councils are making these ideas up just to justify their existance

People moan about 'offshoring' but it is the only way of keeping up with the competition, there is ABSOLUTELY NO INCENTIVE to make or build things in this country on a small scale so we rely on others to do it.

When you go to a place like China or India it takes a while for it to sink in that people are making stuff there instead of selling each other insurance or working in shops

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A friend of mine is a dedicated and skilled ITU nurse - she tells me that lots of nurses nowadays think that looking after patients, cleaning them, washing them, feeding them is beneath them and that 'real nursing' is done by auxillary staff.

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A friend of mine is a dedicated and skilled ITU nurse - she tells me that lots of nurses nowadays think that looking after patients, cleaning them, washing them, feeding them is beneath them and that 'real nursing' is done by auxillary staff.

Not just nurses.

Teachers in some schools spend most of their time out of the classroom, relying on teaching assistants to actually do the 'teaching'.

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I,m reminded of a line from the film warlord starring nic cage. "making an honest buck isn,t as easy as you,d think, everyone else is doing it, and the margins are too tight".

After paying off the bankers/shareholders/property owners and the state while complying with all the hse/employment requirements isn,t it just easier to invest in stocks&shares/property/insurances than take a risk on real wealth producing activities? We have seen the result, Too many people are chasing returns for doing no more than pressing a few buttons and moving/creating "capital" from one place to another then expecting to be highly rewarded for doing so. Costs for real wealth producing businesses need to be reduced to make them worthwhile but we seem to have become a nation of "skimmers" who expect a living from not doing/producing anything much at all. This obviously needs to change if we are to move forward as the knowledge based economy is being exposed for the scam that it always was

The idea of creating tangible stuff, as opposed to manipulating digital data, does seem rather old fashioned now. And even where real stuff is made, the idea of making it well is even more outlandish, as this takes time and effort that is incompatible it seems with making money as fast as possible.

The problem with all this digital manipulation work is that it's rather easy to outsource and mostly uses industry standard software that anyone can buy- so barriers to entry are low. So the future for the 'skimmers' is not that bright- they will find that bigger skimmers will simply design them out.

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Although there are still British companies that actually make things, we have declined as a manufacturing nation. Once we had one of the largest motor vehicle industries in the world - now we have virtually none, just foreign-owned companies building cars and commercial vehicles here. We don't build trains any more either.

If this trend continues, perhaps in 10 years all our major housebuilders will be foreign owned too.

A friend of mine is a dedicated and skilled ITU nurse - she tells me that lots of nurses nowadays think that looking after patients, cleaning them, washing them, feeding them is beneath them and that 'real nursing' is done by auxillary staff.
That's fair enough if the specialised work your friend does is of benefit to patients and there are other people doing the personal care. Edited by blankster

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A friend of mine is a dedicated and skilled ITU nurse - she tells me that lots of nurses nowadays think that looking after patients, cleaning them, washing them, feeding them is beneath them and that 'real nursing' is done by auxillary staff.

My Mrs is a qualified nurse and says the same. She would only go back into nursing to be an auxilliary i.e. be a "real" nurse.

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This obviously needs to change if we are to move forward as the knowledge based economy is being exposed for the scam that it always was.

I used to think that, until I read somewhere that a million people work in media.

A million people who do a job, get paid, buy somewhere to live, pay taxes and buy goods and services. Yet what do they make? A magazine, a newspaper, a radio station, a tv station, a news web site, an advert, a logo ...

How is a million people (and that's just in media) making a living a scam?

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Not just nurses.

Teachers in some schools spend most of their time out of the classroom, relying on teaching assistants to actually do the 'teaching'.

State education infruiates me as they seem hell bent on dumming down... the example I quote is my own experience with my daughter... shes reasonably bright and very very kind... what happens in her class is she is effectively "used" to help the school look after the ability mixes ( social and mental) in the classroom... but when it comes to education becasue she is doing OK she gets little to no attention in the classroom... with a little more attention she'd come on leaps and bounds... the result I am taking her out of state and putting her into private..... state schools seem to think it's OK to perform at a given level, they seem from my experience not to be able to cater for all sorts and rather spend the vast majority of their resources and budgets on the disabled ( of mind or body) or dealing with those who don't behave or don't want to learn..... sorting out the latter would be a start but they don't seem able to do that.

My daughter will miss out on a full social mix at the private school ( as theres no one disabled or too badly behaved or disruptive there.. they don't take them)... but at least she'll get a some attention through the learning process and I firmly believe will do better as a result.

I really wish state schooling could have been something I could ahve continued with but the flaws are frankly far too great to allow them to offer value to all their pupils.

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I used to think that, until I read somewhere that a million people work in media.

A million people who do a job, get paid, buy somewhere to live, pay taxes and buy goods and services. Yet what do they make? A magazine, a newspaper, a radio station, a tv station, a news web site, an advert, a logo ...

How is a million people (and that's just in media) making a living a scam?

It's all about selling those trainers that cost £1 to make in China for £50 in the UK ... takes a lot of staff and a lot of effort to make that happen.

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It's all about selling those trainers that cost £1 to make in China for £50 in the UK ... takes a lot of staff and a lot of effort to make that happen.

Indeed, which doesn't somehow invalidate what those people do.

And, of course, there are many people involved in media and 'knowledge' based industries that have nothing to do with marking up imported goods.

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State education infruiates me as they seem hell bent on dumming down... the example I quote is my own experience with my daughter... shes reasonably bright and very very kind... what happens in her class is she is effectively "used" to help the school look after the ability mixes ( social and mental) in the classroom... but when it comes to education becasue she is doing OK she gets little to no attention in the classroom... with a little more attention she'd come on leaps and bounds... the result I am taking her out of state and putting her into private..... state schools seem to think it's OK to perform at a given level, they seem from my experience not to be able to cater for all sorts and rather spend the vast majority of their resources and budgets on the disabled ( of mind or body) or dealing with those who don't behave or don't want to learn..... sorting out the latter would be a start but they don't seem able to do that.

My daughter will miss out on a full social mix at the private school ( as theres no one disabled or too badly behaved or disruptive there.. they don't take them)... but at least she'll get a some attention through the learning process and I firmly believe will do better as a result.

I really wish state schooling could have been something I could ahve continued with but the flaws are frankly far too great to allow them to offer value to all their pupils.

Said this before, but when I was at primary school in the eighties there were about 100 kids split into 3 classes (so 33 kids per class, considered quite high now). The entire staff was 1 teacher for each class (ie. 3 teachers), the head, an office dear who only worked half days, the cleaner, and two dinner ladies.

The same school today would have a staff of what? Twenty, conservatively? And to what end?

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