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daily star today made some comments about the under 35 generation being much much worse off that the generation above. mentions to the house prices, wages, longer hours, student loans and over tax burdens. made for good reading.

the crux was since this generation didn't vote much, they were not really taken care of by current politicians.

anyway, I finished my english breakfast and left the cafe and the house paper before I could read about jordans new fella......

you have to ask yourself, what has this country got to offer for the under 35s ?

suggestions please ?

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daily star today made some comments about the under 35 generation being much much worse off that the generation above. mentions to the house prices, wages, longer hours, student loans and over tax burdens. made for good reading.

the crux was since this generation didn't vote much, they were not really taken care of by current politicians.

anyway, I finished my english breakfast and left the cafe and the house paper before I could read about jordans new fella......

you have to ask yourself, what has this country got to offer for the under 35s ?

suggestions please ?

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you have to ask yourself, what has this country got to offer for the under 35s ?

We said the same thing in the early seventies as many emigrated for a better life.

Same arguments then as today. ;)

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you have to ask yourself, what has this country got to offer for the under 35s ?

suggestions please ?

Plent if they are prepared to do something about it.

Priorities is what it is all about I'm afraid.

I'm in the same boat as everyone else as regards housing , but if you REALLY want something then DO something about it.

Want and Need is the phrase to remember in my opinion.

Not gong to go into financial lessons as most on here know the line , it's just a case of getting on with it.

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daily star today made some comments about the under 35 generation being much much worse off that the generation above. mentions to the house prices, wages, longer hours, student loans and over tax burdens.

Sounds suspiciously like a rehash of the 'IPOD Generation' article in Monday's Daily Mail that we discussed here!

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thats what it was called 'The IPOD generation' or something. what a rip off then.

it was the dairly star though.....

anyway...loose women is starting on itv....

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it was the dairly star though

Is that how the posh luvvies pronounce it or have you a brain lock. :P:D

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daily star today made some comments about the under 35 generation being much much worse off that the generation above. mentions to the house prices, wages, longer hours, student loans and over tax burdens. made for good reading.

the crux was since this generation didn't vote much, they were not really taken care of by current politicians.

Well they should have voted then. Since eighteen, if you are thirtyfive now that's at least three elections. Which means that since Labour have been in they never voted. So they only have themselves to blame. They've been coasting along. Now if they were in their early twenties I could have some sympathy. But not if they are older.

What happened to political debate in college and Uni. What happened about finding out about life and how it works. Too much watching of Big brother on the telly.

Politicians take care of themselves unless you force them by demonstration and by vote to take care of the country.

Which reminds me. I wonder when or if there will be petrol demonstrations against the high fuel tax rate come the autumn when everyone gets back from holiday?

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Perhaps the coming recession will not only bring lower house prices but shake a generation out of their political apathy. We might see a golden dawn of affordable houses and a return of big ideas to politics.

Too much to hope for..?

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Well they should have voted then. Since eighteen, if you are thirtyfive now that's at least three elections. Which means that since Labour have been in they never voted. So they only have themselves to blame. They've been coasting along. Now if they were in their early twenties I could have some sympathy. But not if they are older.

Here's a link to a chart of the population profile of the UK: http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/py...s/images/UK.gif

THis is from the 2001 census. You'll see that the biggest age group was then 35-39, so now 39-43. The next biggest group was 30-34, so now 34-38. If you look at the shape of the chart you'll see that these groups massively outnumber those coming later, so telling the young to vote is pointless. In a democracy they're outnumbered. Here's the boring numbers:

Age Range Total Males Females

0 - 4 3486253 1785688 1700565

5 - 9 3738042 1914727 1823315

10 - 14 3880557 1987606 1892951

15 - 19 3663782 1870508 1793274

20 - 24 3545984 1765257 1780727

25 - 29 3867015 1895469 1971546

30 - 34 4493532 2199767 2293765

35 - 39 4625777 2277678 2348099

40 - 44 4151613 2056545 2095068

45 - 49 3735986 1851391 1884595

50 - 54 4040576 2003158 2037418

55 - 59 3339004 1651396 1687608

60 - 64 2880074 1409684 1470390

65 - 69 2596939 1241382 1355557

70 - 74 2339319 1059156 1280163

75 - 79 1967088 817738 1149350

80 - 84 1313592 482707 830885

85 - 89 752035 226520 525515

90 and over 372026 83492 288534

Totals 58789194 28579869 30209325

You'll see that the only cohorts numbering over 4,000,000 are 30-34 (now 34-38), 35-39 (now 39-43), 40-44 (now 44-48) and 50-54 (now 54-58). So what's the point of the young voting, in a democracy? You can bet your bottom dollar the political parties have worked it out and this is why they're buying off the old.

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We might see a golden dawn of affordable houses and a return of big ideas to politics.

'Big ideas' are the last thing we need in politics: within limits, the less the government does, the better off we'll all be.

And we certainly don't want 'big idea' politics driven by student-level debate between people with almost no experience of the real world.

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How abaout medium sized ideas, or any sort of ideas at all?

It's a democracy, it works better the bigger the franchise the wider the debate. It's daft to exclude anybody; surley student level debate is to be encouraged; they might even spend less time running up debts in the SU.

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wow those demographic numbers are funked up. no wonder we are getting the short straw, most FTBS in their mid to late 20's are now outnumbered.

20 - 24 3545984 1765257 1780727

can't argue with 15k more women than men tho :o

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It's a democracy, it works better the bigger the franchise the wider the debate.

British 'democracy' would work better if a government couldn't get a majority with 25% of the votes. Until we actually have democracy, worrying about who votes for who seems a bit pointless.

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I have always voted. Once for labour, until the artificially high pound started the manufacturing recession..

My dad always said that as bad as the conservatives are, labour will make you believe that they are after you personally

more young vote then you might think..

But a lot of people out there have percieved their lives to be a lot richer under labour.. and labour got loads ov votes...

until last time.. per capita more voted again for the conservatives..

Sentiments change..

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Here's a link to a chart of the population profile of the UK: http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/py...s/images/UK.gif

THis is from the 2001 census. You'll see that the biggest age group was then 35-39, so now 39-43. The next biggest group was 30-34, so now 34-38. If you look at the shape of the chart you'll see that these groups massively outnumber those coming later, so telling the young to vote is pointless. In a democracy they're outnumbered. Here's the boring numbers:

Age Range   Total   Males   Females

0 - 4            3486253  1785688  1700565

5 - 9            3738042  1914727  1823315

10 - 14  3880557  1987606  1892951

15 - 19  3663782  1870508  1793274

20 - 24  3545984  1765257  1780727

25 - 29  3867015  1895469  1971546

30 - 34  4493532  2199767  2293765

35 - 39  4625777  2277678  2348099

40 - 44  4151613  2056545  2095068

45 - 49  3735986  1851391  1884595

50 - 54  4040576  2003158  2037418

55 - 59  3339004  1651396  1687608

60 - 64  2880074  1409684  1470390

65 - 69  2596939  1241382  1355557

70 - 74  2339319  1059156  1280163

75 - 79  1967088  817738          1149350

80 - 84  1313592  482707           830885

85 - 89  752035          226520           525515

90 and over   372026        83492         288534

Totals        58789194       28579869       30209325

You'll see that the only cohorts numbering over 4,000,000 are 30-34 (now 34-38), 35-39 (now 39-43), 40-44 (now 44-48) and 50-54 (now 54-58). So what's the point of the young voting, in a democracy? You can bet your bottom dollar the political parties have worked it out and this is why they're buying off the old.

Quality.. So these statistics also go to debunk the idea that there are more coming up requiring homes then ever before.. that there is a housing shortage....

Looks to me that in the first time buyer age group there are significantly less then the generation that came before.. but we are building more homes.. and there are less of us..

So the figures suggesting that there are more homes per head of population then there were ten years ago.. (2.6 now to 2.76 then) hold weight

How on gods green earth does the media justify spreading lies to talk up the market..

Does someone want to release a new thread on this... :):D:P:lol:

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The demographic timebomb is going to be a huge issue

Imagine when that massive cohort of 35-45 year olds retire! The country will be bankrupt with such a small population supporting them

Mind you, house prices will fall when they all die off, with all that extra supply ?

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The demographic timebomb is going to be a huge issue

Imagine when that massive cohort of 35-45 year olds retire! The country will be bankrupt with such a small population supporting them

Mind you, house prices will fall when they all die off, with all that extra supply ?

But our smaller population needs fewer houses now...:) we are not being told that... are we?

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A nice pandemic of avian flu is what we need. 30% reduction in poulation with it's associated reduction in house prices.

Only question is: will you survive?

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daily star today made some comments about the under 35 generation being much much worse off that the generation above. mentions to the house prices, wages, longer hours, student loans and over tax burdens. made for good reading.

I'm 29 and it seems ok to me. Maybe it's worse for the under 25's? They weren't talking about £30k uni debt back in my day....

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A nice pandemic of avian flu is what we need.  30% reduction in poulation with it's associated reduction in house prices.

Only question is: will you survive?

On a historical note. The black death of the 13th century had the misfortune of wiping out many artists, inventors and craftsmen of the time. In other words most of Englands trade guilds. This meant that for several hundred years, we were behind and did not enter a period new ideas and inventiveness untill the Elizabethan era.

The Grim Reaper has no favourites.

:huh: Maybe this should be in a different thread. 'Pandemics, Plagues and natural Distasters and historically they effect economies'

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