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Magistrate stands by 'scum' comment

A magistrate who is facing disciplinary action after describing two teenage vandals as "absolute scum" has insisted he had used "appropriate" language.

The 16-year-old boys scribbled racist and sexually abusive graffiti on prayer books and bent a valuable cross out of shape in Blackburn Cathedral, Lancashire.

Sentencing the pair, who were caught after signing their names in the visitors' book, Austin Molloy, chairman of the bench, said: "Normal people would consider you absolute scum."

Mr Molloy said his fellow magistrates agreed with him but a court clerk objected to the language, claiming it was "inappropriate".

The mother of one of the youths, who cannot be identified due to their age, then lodged a complaint and an inquiry into the incident was launched.

Speaking on GMTV, Mr Molloy said: "We are trained and told to communicate with young offenders, any offenders for that matter, in language they understand. You have got to use language appropriate to those people so they understand exactly what you are doing.

"We felt we had to discipline the young boys and that's the language we used to make them understand the gravity of the crime they had committed," he said. "It was a disgraceful crime. We considered it at length in the retiring room and it was the appropriate statement that we agreed on."

Mr Molloy criticised the actions of the clerk, Christine Dean, claiming she had acted "totally out of her brief". He said: "She could have turned around and faced the bench and had a quiet word. If we could not agree then we would have retired and discussed it. It's not done to bring the bench embarrassment like she did.

"I believe that the magistrates' system has been brought into disrepute by her actions."

A Facebook page, the Austin Molloy Magistrate Support Group!, has attracted 377 supporters

I'm with the beak on this one - the clerk to the court should be sacked.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20100518/tuk-magistrate-stands-by-scum-comment-6323e80.html

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Funny how it's always thick women who initiate these pathetic rows.

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The mother or the Magistrates' clerk?

The pair of them.

Probably spent too much time committing Littlejohn commentary on Brussels to heart.

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Nah, I'm with the clerk. Court descended to their level.

Funny that - told to use language they understood but sacked for doing just that. I'm with the magistrates.

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Nah, I'm with the clerk. Court descended to their level.

+1 OK for a magistrate to describe them like that out of court. When sitting in judgement it is surely important to ensure there is no suggestion of personal bias in verdict or sentence, which such languge could indicate. And if a magistrate has become so embedded in their role that they fail to understand that need then it may be time they took stock of things.

Not my area of expertise, but is the Clerk more highly trained in law than the, essentially amatuer, magistrate and is part of their role to advise magistrates on matters of law? (Seemed that way when I sat in on magistrates hearing applications for a casino licence.) Might the the clerk's actions have preempted an appeal and possible release of said yobs?

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+1 OK for a magistrate to describe them like that out of court. When sitting in judgement it is surely important to ensure there is no suggestion of personal bias in verdict or sentence, which such languge could indicate. And if a magistrate has become so embedded in their role that they fail to understand that need then it may be time they took stock of things.

Not my area of expertise, but is the Clerk more highly trained in law than the, essentially amatuer, magistrate and is part of their role to advise magistrates on matters of law? (Seemed that way when I sat in on magistrates hearing applications for a casino licence.) Might the the clerk's actions have preempted an appeal and possible release of said yobs?

Get in the kitchen and make me a sandwich.

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Get in the kitchen and make me a sandwich.

???

Young man, if such you are, are you making assumptions about my gender? When I was your age I was on the rugby field knocking seven kinds of shit out of dissipated youth.

But I've matured since then. :)

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???

Young man, if such you are, are you making assumptions about my gender? When I was your age I was on the rugby field knocking seven kinds of shit out of dissipated youth.

But I've matured since then. :)

Yeah I've seen women's rugby.

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Destroying religious symbols? Good effort. They went too far with the racism though.

Judges should use professional language, and I'm not sure that happened in this instance.

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Destroying religious symbols? Good effort. They went too far with the racism though.

Judges should use professional language, and I'm not sure that happened in this instance.

I suppose he was cross about it

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Get in the kitchen and make me a sandwich.

Yeah, can I have cheese and pickle?

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Destroying religious symbols? Good effort. They went too far with the racism though.

So you are in favour of criminal damage?

And what should I do if my neighbour's kitchen extension offends me?

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So you are in favour of criminal damage?

And what should I do if my neighbour's kitchen extension offends me?

It was a flippant comment, not meant to be taken too seriously.

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Good job you're not a magistate then! :lol::lol:

My grandmother was, do I get a badge?

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Destroying religious symbols? Good effort. They went too far with the racism though.

Judges should use professional language, and I'm not sure that happened in this instance.

Not sure how the 'Dan Dennett made do it' defence would go down.

Worth a try though.

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I wonder what the money value of this criminal damage was.

Doesn't sound too much to me.

I suspect people of genuine faith wouldn't be too troubled by this and might even remember that,

"Let him without sin ..."

The beak should have just got his job done and kept his cool.

His, "we're trained to talk to them in their own language" is a canard.

If it wasn't he'd be spending his morning endlessly squawking,

"That's fookin shyte that is ...."

And there is likely to be some unreported history between the beak and the clerk.

Rubbish all round really.

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I wonder what the money value of this criminal damage was.

The money value of something like wedding photographs would probably not amount to a great deal, but that's not the point. :rolleyes:

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It is an aggravating feature to commit criminal damage in a place of worship.

My sense is that the number involved is less than £1000.

The venue does not aggravate the offence to make it more serious than burning down the most prosaic of Barret homes valued at £116,000.

The money is a component in the assessment of how serious an offence is.

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Father of vandal branded 'absolute scum' by magistrate: 'Give JP his job back, he was right about my son'

The father of a vandal branded 'absolute scum' by a magistrate has backed the JP, saying he should get his job back.

JP Austin Molloy made the comments when sentencing two 16-year-old boys for writing racist and sexually-abusive graffiti in prayer books, and bending a priceless John The Baptist cross out of shape at Blackburn Cathedral, causing £3,000 damage.

The furious father said: 'I totally agree with what Mr Molloy said and I've not got a problem with him whatsoever. I back Mr Molloy 100 per cent.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1279590/Father-vandal-says-Give-magistrate-Austin-Molloy-job-son-IS-scum.html

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Father of vandal branded 'absolute scum' by magistrate: 'Give JP his job back, he was right about my son'

The father of a vandal branded 'absolute scum' by a magistrate has backed the JP, saying he should get his job back.

JP Austin Molloy made the comments when sentencing two 16-year-old boys for writing racist and sexually-abusive graffiti in prayer books, and bending a priceless John The Baptist cross out of shape at Blackburn Cathedral, causing £3,000 damage.

The furious father said: 'I totally agree with what Mr Molloy said and I've not got a problem with him whatsoever. I back Mr Molloy 100 per cent.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1279590/Father-vandal-says-Give-magistrate-Austin-Molloy-job-son-IS-scum.html

I guess that's the PC brigade on here sorted then. B)

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