Guest absolutezero Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 Have you just arrived here from the 1970's via a rift in space time by any chance? You're thinking is about 40 years out of date and it wasn't even right then. Tell me how it really is then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest absolutezero Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 Idiot - you haven't got a clue! Absolutely. Their monopoly type status then leads to high-price-fixing between the big 5 to maximise their profits, once they get rid of their local competition! B&Q and loads of other multistore-operators operate like this, in that they now charge the maximum they can get away with in a defined area! Correct. When we're talking about big business there is NO CHOICE in the private sector. You can get ripped off by Tesco, Asda, Sainsbury's or Morrisons. No choice at all. It's all the same thing with a different logo on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia O'Keeffe Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 (edited) Idiot - you haven't got a clue! Supermarkets use their huge buying and bargaining power to undercut shops in the area till a load go under! They can support this for as long as it takes from revenues from other supermarkets in other areas! They need to be carved up into county-wide chunks, coz like the banks they have completely overtaken our country - even more so where they keep expanding into more areas outside of normal household/food-stuffs! Their monopoly type status then leads to high-price-fixing between the big 5 to maximise their profits, once they get rid of their local competition! B&Q and loads of other multistore-operators operate like this, in that they now charge the maximum they can get away with in a defined area! thats facinating but is bugger all to do with the point. im struggling to see the part there where the Customer hasnt made the choice to buy those cheaper goods which was the whole point. Its an idiotic position to argue that ultimately it is not the customer who decides whether a shop goes under through not buying for whatever reason. Short sighted by the customer yes, but then they reap what they sow Edited May 17, 2010 by Tamara De Lempicka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erranta Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 (edited) Absolutely. Correct. When we're talking about big business there is NO CHOICE in the private sector. You can get ripped off by Tesco, Asda, Sainsbury's or Morrisons. No choice at all. It's all the same thing with a different logo on it. I've sussed how 'they' do it! They manipulate the oil prices and always whack up the prices of the goods/foodstuffs. When oil price reverts back a bit they tell you they are 'rolling back' (the prices on a tiny selection of their most profitable goods) the rest remain at the new con-price! You are actually paying the original price before they hiked the prices "because of fuel increases" for the roll backs - They NEVER bring the prices below the original price that was set before the con-fuel rise! The Govt are in collusion - even though we were/are an oil producing country (Arabs pay about 12p a gallon!) we pay the highest fuel taxes/petrol prices in the Western World! Additionally, the Govt continually get a stream of rising vat/tax revenues from those foodstuffs already priced with the taxes they can blame on the supermarket/shop keepers! Edited May 17, 2010 by erranta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uptherebels Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 I don't see how there can be any forthcoming strikes. The unions seem incapable of even carrying out a ballot correctly. Amazing how these union leaders stay in their jobs, no matter how incompetent they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrentyieldmakessense(honest!) Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 With the government due to slash spending, over the coming months huge swathes of the public sector will be forced to make cuts. I fear we are about to see knee-jerk reactions from trades unions calling for strikes. Are we about to see petty minded shop-stewards calling out their members, seventies style, to protest at the wrong people? It's no good strikers forming picket lines, waving placards and chanting slogans outside their place of employment; the cuts are coming and that's that. Unionists would serve their members best by telling them who's really to blame for the economic crises - the bankers - so they can channel their anger in the most constructive way - in London. new picket sign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erranta Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 thats facinating but is bugger all to do with the point. im struggling to see the part there where the Customer hasnt made the choice to buy those cheaper goods which was the whole point. Its an idiotic position to argue that ultimately it is not the customer who decides whether a shop goes under through not buying for whatever reason. Short sighted by the customer yes, but then they reap what they sow Because local shops cannot afford national tv advertising bombarding you with the promised dream 'Nectar' fami_lies and loss leading booze offers! Idiot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrentyieldmakessense(honest!) Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 I think Clameronwill try to play it stright; Thatcher of course, had she been given that analysis, would have looked for the scrap. pitty she didnt take on the bankers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia O'Keeffe Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 (edited) Because local shops cannot afford national tv advertising bombarding you with the promised dream 'Nectar' fami_lies and loss leading booze offers! Idiot! which changes the fact that the customer has chosen to fall for that dream/money for nothing advertising and thus Chosen to put the local shop out of business how exactly? the customer might be a prat and be causing themselves long term damage but they have still chosen that Edited May 17, 2010 by Tamara De Lempicka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogbrush Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 Someone will shout "Godwin's Law" but the Nazis used a similar defence at Nuremburg. "We were only doing our jobs." Big business wants highest profit. What the customer wants doesn't really come into it. So what if you don't like what Tesco does? They're not fussed if you go to Sainsbury's instead. You can go to your local shigh street or convenience store, but people don't. It's not a Nuremburg defence at all, it's providing customers with what they want and making loads of money off it. Businesses only provide what people want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockrobin Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 I'm hoping the first one on the receiving end is one of the rabid Tories who keep banging on about cuts being necessary. Yeah because we don't need cuts do we absolutezero(brain) because Labour has left the public finances well in the black!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockrobin Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 Absolutely. Correct. When we're talking about big business there is NO CHOICE in the private sector. You can get ripped off by Tesco, Asda, Sainsbury's or Morrisons. No choice at all. It's all the same thing with a different logo on it. Tesco's saves me money on my shopping and fuel, and give me loads of vouchers for free meals at strada. I say screw the independent local green grocer!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britney's Piers Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 (edited) I see your sabbatical hasnt reduced the level of tosh you post. Unless the business is a monopoly, the customer decides whether businesses fail or not. If they dont like the product the business goes under. If it was down to businesses only ever buying cheap imported tat wed still have Woolworths. Tesco, Sainsbury, grocer it is customers who decide to shop at Tesco and Sainsbury for conveniance so once again you talk rubbish, nobody has forced this other than customers, many local grocers have shut because customers preferred Tesco, if they didnt then the local grocers would clearly be thriving , unless your tescos is unique in kidnapping customers at gunpoint. If its down to what business wants rather than customers im struggling to see how there have just seen a record number of retail insolvencies when they have all been exploiting cheap labour and if Tesco only care about maximum profit how does that translate in them not being fussed if potential customers go to Saisbury. Your arguments retain AZ consistency Maybe they go to the big corporate's because their job got outsourced, and only have part time work now. It can't be for the quality of produce. The whole thing is circular, there is no where to stick the knife. Edited May 17, 2010 by Britney's Piers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHERWICK Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 Maybe they go to the big corporate's because their job got outsourced, and only have part time work now. It can't be for the quality of produce. What's wrong with Waitrose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockrobin Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 What's wrong with Waitrose? Nothing at all. Waitrose stores all over the country donate money to local charities. Thats lovely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest absolutezero Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 Yeah because we don't need cuts do we absolutezero(brain) because Labour has left the public finances well in the black!! If you're trying to say I said we don't need cuts you'd be wrong. Again. Also, the above doesn't even come close to responding to what you quoted. Fail, COCKrobin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Coates Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 Good Post. I think you've illustrated why ConDem are talking tough on the bankers in a way that NuLab weren't. They understand that it will be impossible to push these public sector cuts through without demonstrating real action on curbing bankers' bonuses and senior civil servants' pay. Whether they'll actually carry out this action of cause remains to be seen. Er, no they won't. And I'll mail you one of those british pound coin thing's if they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robo1968 Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 I don't see how there can be any forthcoming strikes. The unions seem incapable of even carrying out a ballot correctly. Amazing how these union leaders stay in their jobs, no matter how incompetent they are. You got that right and they get paid a pretty penny for it too..... incompetent! Good thing they don't do a real job, Watched Woodley this morning, old age views, anti management militant overpaid turd, couldn't stand him, had to watch GMTV in the end and that's bad! He gives BA workers a bad name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopGun Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 (edited) thats facinating but is bugger all to do with the point. im struggling to see the part there where the Customer hasnt made the choice to buy those cheaper goods which was the whole point. Its an idiotic position to argue that ultimately it is not the customer who decides whether a shop goes under through not buying for whatever reason. Short sighted by the customer yes, but then they reap what they sow I wonder why everyone doesn’t shop at Aldi or Lidil? Could it be because they don’t sell 24 cans of Stella for a tenner? Since when was subliminal coercion regarded as choice? Edited May 18, 2010 by PopGun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopGun Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 I agree very much with your third point and its one I used to make here to universal head scratching, perhaps I didn't explain it very well. The issue at stake is this, cutting spending is fine, most people will in abstract support it. Removing the requirements put upon those organisations is the old third rail of the Daily Mail mentality. It is the correct and necessary thing to do but you just know within days they'll find some sort of photogenic and emotive sob story. Its not unrelated to the waste and bloat narrative they are pushing quite hard at the moment. Sooner or later it would be honest and I think in the long term actually much wiser to just say we can't afford some things. Yes, care for the elderly is nice, we can't afford it, sorry. Instead of pretending some care assistant on the minimum wage is the problem because they aren't cheaper (the reductio ad absurdum being obvious). Its only the same logic as claiming Tesco are profiteers because they won't give me food for whatever I feel like paying them. Judging by this and many other threads, I fear many still don't get it. We need cuts to the bloat, but how can this be achieved without removing the frameworks and conditions that created the bloats in the first place?!? Seems simple enough to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 Take a look at whats happening in the US, horrific stories of self-serving unions blind to any reality driving their states towards bankruptcy. Mish has been covering it unfolding in very revealing detail. I imagine we're in for a similar ride. Much as I respect the economic views of the likes of Mish and Deninger on their respective blogs, you have to remember that they are typically rightwing 'anti everything that smacks of socialism' pundits. The likes of our NHS would also draw scorn. I very much doubt that the spin they put on the actions of the unions during the financial crisis in the US states represent the whole story of what is going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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