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Vince Cable Tried To Stop Wee George Becoming Chancellor

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The Lib Dem favourite said he couldn’t work with the inexperienced Tory — and wanted to grab the job for himself.

If he couldn’t have it, he said heavyweight Ken Clarke should be put in charge of the Treasury. But David Cameron refused to sacrifice his best pal. When Cable refused to serve as Osborne’s No2 he was given the Business Department instead.

The revelation is one of the first signs of cracks in the Tory-Lib coalition.

It has also emerged that Cable repeatedly told Gordon Brown he didn’t want to team up with the Conservatives.

And Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg yesterday admitted the deal has caused division and “offence” in his party ranks. He said: “There are those on both left and right who are united in thinking this shouldn’t have happened.”

Mr Cable has blasted Osborne’s “schoolboy economics” and warned Tory policies would “drive public finances into the ground”. In a devastating attack after Osborne set out his plans for government, Cable said: “Osborne’s latest economic commentary shows just how out of depth he is when it comes to the important economic issues.”

A top Lib Dem said: “Vince saw himself as Chancellor. When it became clear it wasn’t going to go to the Lib Dems he argued that Ken Clarke should get it and he should be his No2.

“He turned down the No2 job because he wouldn’t work with George.”

The job of Chief Secretary to the Treasury went to Lib Dem David Laws instead.

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How can Vince stay in a government with a Chancellor he rightly regards as incompetent?

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How can Vince stay in a government with a Chancellor he rightly regards as incompetent?

It's called compromise; it's what coalitions have to do. You can hardly spend decades campaigning for PR then refuse to deal with the kind of situation that PR is guaranteed to produce every time there's a general election.

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It's called compromise; it's what coalitions have to do. You can hardly spend decades campaigning for PR then refuse to deal with the kind of situation that PR is guaranteed to produce every time there's a general election.

And when Vince has to defend Mad George's economic policies, people will say, "That Vince used to be a man of integrity, now he talks gobsh!te like the rest of 'em."

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And when Vince has to defend Mad George's economic policies, people will say, "That Vince used to be a man of integrity, now he talks gobsh!te like the rest of 'em."

Can't say I was ever particularly impressed with him myself but, yes, again, that's the nature of coalition politics. You either have to accept that people will need to go back on things they have previously said or that they'll most likely never get into government and, hence, a position where they can influence events. The same thing happens within political parties - for better or for worse, Frank Field never got to do anything in government because he wasn't prepared to compromise on anything, it'll be interesting to see if he manages it this time around...

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Arguably if Cable had taken the No2 job he would have had to demonstrate a greater degree of support toward Osborne's decisions than in the post he has accepted - at least in this role he is once removed and can distance himself... unlike Darling from Brown's decisions.

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Arguably if Cable had taken the No2 job he would have had to demonstrate a greater degree of support toward Osborne's decisions than in the post he has accepted - at least in this role he is once removed and can distance himself... unlike Darling from Brown's decisions.

...when he sees the scorched earth decisions made in the last days of Labour...maybe he will change his mind...he needs to stop playing trendy leftie politics and get on with the job .... :rolleyes:

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...when he sees the scorched earth decisions made in the last days of Labour...maybe he will change his mind...he needs to stop playing trendy leftie politics and get on with the job .... :rolleyes:

If leftie politics is trendy, how come there's a Tory coalition? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

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This could be a long five years if Labour supporters spend their every waking hour looking for cracks in the coalition. Face it, it's over for you guys.

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This could be a long five years if Labour supporters spend their every waking hour looking for cracks in the coalition. Face it, it's over for you guys.

X-Q,, the kids say "Deal wiv itt."

I suggest you get up to speed :P

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X-Q,, the kids say "Deal wiv itt."

I suggest you get up to speed :P

Did you have anything to say?

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Actually, I wonder if Cable could be another dark stalker, waiting for his chance to do it HIS way...?

Maybe he is just a Lib Dem for convenience?

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I'm not a snob or an inverted snob. If you're good and from a dodgy estate or good from Eton, well, who wouldn't want to tap your abilities?

But George Osborne is a complete lightweight of little insight and modest intelligence, a damning ConDemNation of the old school tie network, the anti-meritocracy, where those of scant talent arrive in positions of power lacking all competence ahead of those who do.

That said, given the financial chaos wrought by New Labour, which Vince has repeatedly exposed, I'm surprised he felt there was more mileage in a deal with the status quo.

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This could be a long five years if Labour supporters spend their every waking hour looking for cracks in the coalition. Face it, it's over for you guys.

Quorky, I did not vote Labour so cannot be described as a Labour supporter. ;)

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Quorky, I did not vote Labour so cannot be described as a Labour supporter. ;)

Fair enough. What would've been your preferred outcome at the election?

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A Lib Dem government.

Well, under FPTP that was never going to happen.

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If the Clegg bounce had hit 40%, it might have.

Yes, but it didn't. And, if we had PR, even a 40% vote wouldn't let the lib-dems form a government without being in a coallition. From the point of view of a lib-dem voter, what's worse, a government that enacts some core lib-dem policies or one that doesn't?

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Can we really trust the 'sources' that reveal these 'insights' anyway?

On the one hand we hear that Vince didn't want George to be in charge, partly because of Tory Policies to cut Public spending this year and 'drive it in to the ground'. On the other hand we hear that in the LibLab negotiations, the Lib Dems proposed much more aggressive spending cuts this year, which Labour couldn't / wouldn't agree to.

From what I can gather all of these stories have come from Labour insiders. Perhaps it is all true (despite the obvious discrepancies in the stories), perhaps one of the stories is true, perhaps neither. My guess would be that, whilst there are elements of truth, Labour have concocted a load of rubbish as their spin machine continues to rotate at unbelievable speed - out of control!

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Let's not forget that Vince was a member of the Labour Party and a member of socialist SDP prior to amalgamation with the Liberals.Even though he contributed to the Orange Book, he is still a socialist at heart.That is the whole problem with the Lib Dems. You have one half of the party telly the other half to fvck off back to the Tories and that half telling the others to fvck off back to Labour.It is an ideologically divided party.

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"A top Lib Dem said: “Vince saw himself as Chancellor. When it became clear it wasn’t going to go to the Lib Dems he argued that Ken Clarke should get it and he should be his No2."

I don't know why many Lib Dems (apparently MPs and voters) appear to have this 'all or nothing' feeling.

It seems they'd've been happier just to damn-well lose and have no power or real influence at all.

How many ardent Lib Dems voters and activists would've got especially upset by their party thoroughly losing the election (even moreso than the Labour party did)? Almost none I think -- after all, losing is what the Lib Dems normally do.

How many ardent Lib Dems voters and activists have become especially upset because their party is seeing the first real opportunity at power and legitimacy for not far short of a century? Lots apparently... :blink:

If Vince Cable genuinely wanted to be Chancellor of the Exchequer and feels he has some kind of right to it (rather than this story just being a load of nonsense to sell newspapers), then perhaps he should've chosen to stick with the Labour party -- at least they have a recent history of getting in power on their own.

EDIT: They're to their! *blush*

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If the Clegg bounce had hit 40%, it might have.

40%? Can I have some of what you're smoking?

There was no Clegg bounce despite the acres of postive press and web fawning.

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A Lib Dem government.

If you voted LibDem, you knew there was no chance of a LibDem gov. I suspect you knew you were voting for the party that would become Kingmaker.

Ps - anyone that voted LibDem 'tactically' to 'keep the tories out' has lost their right to moan. They tried a gamble to play the system, got stung and so deal with it.

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If you voted LibDem, you knew there was no chance of a LibDem gov. I suspect you knew you were voting for the party that would become Kingmaker.

Ps - anyone that vopted LibDem 'tactically' to 'keep the tories out' has lost their right to moan. They tried a gamble to play the system, got stung and so deal with it.

I'm a LibDem supporter and I'd say the above is fair comment.

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