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We all like to moan about blighty, but where is actually better.

Ok, let me start, in the UK we have

Record fuel tax / price

32% basic rate tax and NI

17.5% vat

questionable weather

Massive debt burdens (due to the above)

Large UNI fees (debts)

obviously silly house prices

bad crime

open doors for illegal immigration (I've often thought I'd have an easier time if I claimed asylum myself, might reduce the council tax bill or something)

lousy state pensions

piles of people claiming benefits and free housing (Stop paying these and there

would be no more pensions crisis)

highest teenage pregnancy rates in EU (along with the free flat etc.)

Right, where is better? Answers please as I have my bags packed and I've called a taxi.

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Holland. Probably on a par with us tax wise, but infinitely more civilised, and much much better housing.

In Holland a tenant is respected, and gets good service, spacious apartments and reasonable landlords. In return the tenants do not give landlords hassle. Their system is much better than the us vs them culture here.

There is plentiful housing to buy at reasonable cost. Owning a home is not the obsession it is here.

That's a good start, and somewhat offsets the dullness of the Dutch countryside.

VP

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Yes, Holland would be on my list as would:

New Zealand

Canada

Hawaii

Barbados

One of the problems with the US is that the warm bits are usually devoid of culture whilst the culture bits have weather no better than here.

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We all like to moan about blighty, but where is actually better.

Ok, let me start, in the UK we have

Record fuel tax / price

32% basic rate tax and NI

17.5% vat

questionable weather

Massive debt burdens (due to the above)

Large UNI fees (debts)

obviously silly house prices

bad crime

open doors for illegal immigration (I've often thought I'd have an easier time if I claimed asylum myself, might reduce the council tax bill or something)

lousy state pensions

piles of people claiming benefits and free housing (Stop paying these and there

would be no more pensions crisis)

highest teenage pregnancy rates in EU (along with the free flat etc.)

Right, where is better?  Answers please as I have my bags packed and I've called a taxi.

I love where I live. Not everywhere in this country is as the above. I have lived in places of high crime, neighbours from hell and poor infrastructure. Its taken me nearly twenty years to be at a place where I am happy, and I did live abroad for a while and dreaded coming back.

But one of the reasons why we have so many immigrants legal or otherwise coming to this country is because their own are so bad.

Blighty isn't perfect. But if you want it to be a better place then you have to stand up for your rights. Take appropiate action when people try to screw you. Don't give up for the next time when that doesn't work(you can't win them all). Expect people to try and screw you. Plan constantly for your future, plan again in case plan A may change, plan again just because :blink:

Vote in every election. Make your views heard. Be as independent as possible in your life financially and emotionally(that does not mean being anti-social), avoid psychopaths and learn how to spot them(google psychopaths they're everywhere and the people you least expect - not all criminals). Treat people how you would like to be treated. Remember what goes around comes around.

Then remember that life is too short to get worked up over the little things. Life is also for having fun.

Blighty is not perfect but there is a little bit of heaven here. You can find it if you try.

Now where was that prozac :lol:

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Naturally the grass always seems greener on the other side. But sometimes, it actually is

I'm liking the look of Spain, specifically Barcelona at the moment. A great city - highly recommended from a seasoned traveller.

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Yes, Holland would be on my list as would:

New Zealand

Canada

Hawaii

Barbados

One of the problems with the US is that the warm bits are usually devoid of culture whilst the culture bits have weather no better than here.

Mr Tulip,

Is that Libitina in the background to your avatar?

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Bulgaria

- much cheaper cost of living and housing

- easy availability of natural wholesome food

- less antisocial behaviour than the UK

...and the Russian mafia, a booming sex tourism industry, and one of the top targets with Macedonia and Croatia for property speculators from the UK.

It's also being hyped as the new destination for stag parties - you'll love that!!

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...and the Russian mafia, a booming sex tourism industry, and one of the top targets with Macedonia and Croatia for property speculators from the UK.

It's also being hyped as the new destination for stag parties - you'll love that!!

I have already checked out some of these issues with the guys at http://www.mybulgaria.info/bulgaria-property-forums.html and other sources.

1/ The Bulgarian mafia are nowhere near as prominent as the Russian mafia

2/ I have heard little about Bulgarian sex tourism but i suspect it is no worse than neighbouring countries.

3/ I have no interest in the property speculation and hype on the Black Sea and Sofia. I am much more interested in the inland towns and villages where you can buy a villa and loads of land for around £10,000.

4/ Any stag party guys are likely to be hitting the touristy parts of Bulgaria which I would avoid anyway.

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I wouldn't fancy Iran at the moment, could end up with American neighbours :o

Europeans call off key nuclear talks with Iran

PARIS (Reuters) - European powers have called off August 31 talks with Iran over its nuclear program, France said on Tuesday, marking a breakdown in two years of negotiations with Tehran to halt its sensitive atomic work.

French Foreign Ministry spokesman Jean-Baptiste Mattei said talks on a formal European proposal made earlier this month would not now go ahead because Iran had resumed certain nuclear work in breach of a promise to freeze it while talks lasted.

Britain, France and Germany, acting on behalf of the European Union, put the proposal to Iran in an effort to persuade it to give up nuclear activities the West suspects may be preliminary steps toward making atomic weapons.......

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"I wouldn't fancy Iran at the moment, could end up with American neighbours"

:lol: like it riser!

It's not so bad here. Would you really and truely rather be Americans? OK, I'd rather have been born Dutch but they really are one of the world's top countries.

I have a Canadian passport and I may end up back there purely and simply because of the house price situation... but I actually don't want to go. Faced with having to make the decision, I want to be English and I want my kids to be English. It's a great culture...

- sense of humour

- curry houses

- NHS

- real ale

- moderation (mostly)

- unarmed police (mostly)

- a system where the profi motive is tempered by responsibility

- we tend not to have temperatures of -20 in the winter, tornados, shootouts in the street, rednecks bombing abortion clinics, etc etc.

There's 101 things I'd like to change about this country but fundamentally it's a hell of a lot better than most.

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Holland. Probably on a par with us tax wise, but infinitely more civilised, and much much better housing.

In Holland a tenant is respected, and gets good service, spacious apartments and reasonable landlords. In return the tenants do not give landlords hassle. Their system is much better than the us vs them culture here.

There is plentiful housing to buy at reasonable cost. Owning a home is not the obsession it is here.

That's a good start, and somewhat offsets the dullness of the Dutch countryside.

VP

I question this.

Holland has also suffered from rampant rises in house prices over the last few years so is just as expensive as much of the UK. Taxes are higher (with the top rate of income tax at 52%) although mortgage interest is still tax deductable (although the government would like to stop this).

Like the UK there is also a vast amount of petty crime and Muslim extremism (remember the murder of Theo van Gogh).

For my money in Europe maybe Germany is the place to go. Along with Japan it is one of the few places where prices have declined the last few years. It also has great countryside and the spas are fantastic. However, don't mention the war!!!

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We all like to moan about blighty, but where is actually better.

Ok, let me start, in the UK we have

Record fuel tax / price

32% basic rate tax and NI

17.5% vat

questionable weather

Massive debt burdens (due to the above)

Large UNI fees (debts)

obviously silly house prices

bad crime

open doors for illegal immigration (I've often thought I'd have an easier time if I claimed asylum myself, might reduce the council tax bill or something)

lousy state pensions

piles of people claiming benefits and free housing (Stop paying these and there

would be no more pensions crisis)

highest teenage pregnancy rates in EU (along with the free flat etc.)

Right, where is better?  Answers please as I have my bags packed and I've called a taxi.

You missed out

Voluntary mass pollution of the air, land and sea

Overpopulation but continued massive immigration... breaking the social contract that had existed between the generations and fueling naked capitalism

Animal experiments :angry:

An increasingly fragmented, even atomised society

Indoctrination and hypnosis masquerading as an education system

Drug users and piss heads galore (24 hour drinking... yay :( )

High levels of toxicity in our water and food chain

Genetically modified food and the destruction of farming communities

Rapant materialism

Every corner shop in the land flogs beer, fags, toxic nibbles and pornography

Lack of respect for religion

Most of land/property owned by the few - with the masses mercilessly exploited by the banks

Media in the pockets of big business

Democracy is a JOKE and infact practically non-existent

KFC, Macdonalds... junk food combined with mass cruelty which doesn't even resgister as a concern for most people

Destruction of the manufacting industry in this country and a decline in the work ethic

Implicit sanctioned use of sweatshops via cheap imports and the outsourcing of British jobs

Political arguments based on economics rather than ethics

War in the Middle East

ID Cards, surveillence and the rising police state

... and that's without thinking too hard about it

Where is better? I'll let you know if they bring ID Cards in because I'll be an expert on every other country in the world about 3 weeks afterwards.

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for what it's worth I loved it when I was in the states.Granted I didn't get to see all of it but california is just wonderful.

wonderful weather.

nice people

stunning scenery,awesome beaches,awesome nighlife.

very chilled-out,sure places like LA have gangs but so do we and they tend to shoot themselves.

lower tax than UK by miles(and CA is one of the higher tax states,en ex work colleague of mine is now working Boston and they have negligible tax there)

failing that Oz might be worth a go but the abandance of poisonous wildlife scares me!

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There`s nothing like being moored up at a pub on a beautiful summer`s day on the Norfolk Broads, with a pint of real ale and a genuine ploughman`s lunch, watching the world go buy. ;)

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For my money in Europe maybe Germany is the place to go. Along with Japan it is one of the few places where prices have declined the last few years. It also has great countryside and the spas are fantastic. However, don't mention the war!!!

Hmm Germany - slightly tempting but cost of living and taxes are still high. Still gotta go for Bulgaria which also has great countryside, cost of living about one third of the UK and country villas plus land available for around £10,000.

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I spoke to a British woman who has lived in Ireland for years about that Economist league table and it was pretty much laughed at. She mentioned in particular, the excessive taxes (44% basic rate), the very high cost of living (especially since the euro), the riip-off price of tradesmen and the gang and drugs culture in Cork where she lived. She planned to move back to Britain as soon as possible. Switzerland and Norway at numbers 2 and 3 make more sense to me, though I can't imagine Norway being a particularly interesting place to live.

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One thing that would have improved the UK was that we didn't have a Revolution like the French. They got rid of their excess baggage and this would have freed more land for the people. I would have loved to sitting outside parliament watching the beheading of the day. You never know the way the country is heading at the moment.

In current times we need some entertaining. Gordon Brown could be the first for the chop.

Could we be heading towards a "grapes of wrath " scenario

"Brother can you spare me a euro"

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