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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7127382.ece

Vince Cable told Gordon Brown repeatedly that he did not want to go into coalition with the Conservatives, according to insider accounts of the talks that reshaped British politics.

Dr Cable, the deputy Liberal Democrat leader, used a series of telephone calls with Mr Brown to emphasise that he regarded a deal with the Tories as the least palatable option for his party, The Times has learnt.

The pair spoke sometimes twice a day over the course of last weekend and in the hours leading up to David Cameron and Nick Clegg’s historic deal, which prompted Dr Cable’s appointment as Business Secretary.

The disclosure risks opening a rift at the heart of the Lib-Con coalition and underlines the pressures it will come under from inherent tensions between politically divergent partners.

It has also emerged that:

• Mr Clegg told Mr Brown that he feared Liberal Democrat members would resign “in droves” if he signed up with the Conservatives;

• even as Mr Clegg was preparing to deal with Mr Cameron, Labour believed that it was still in the game and was setting up a meeting between Dr Cable and Alistair Darling;

• some senior Lib Dems reaching out to Labour were playing a “double game” simply to improve the offer from the Tories;

Dr Cable, praised by the new Prime Minister as an “absolute star” in terms of economic policy on Thursday, spent much of last weekend reaching out to Mr Brown. Labour sources said that Dr Cable made it clear to Mr Brown that “he certainly did not want to” sign up with the Tories. “He was absolutely of the view that they should be doing a deal with us,” said one.

On Monday, as Mr Clegg told Mr Brown he wanted to open formal talks with Labour, the Lib Dem leader voiced his own fears about a Lib-Con deal. “He said, ‘We are a progressive party and members of the party will leave in droves if we do a deal with the Tories,’ ” according to Labour sources.

The conversation prompted Mr Brown to say he was ready to stand aside, removing the stumbling block to Lib-Lab negotiations. On Tuesday, Labour negotiators agreed to set up a meeting between Dr Cable and Mr Darling. It never took place. By then Mr Clegg was turning back to Mr Cameron.

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According to Newsnight on now, Vince Cable repeatedly told Gordon Brown he did not wish to go into coalition with the Tories.

The Times is reporting it tomorrow.

Thats stating the obvious. I doubt any of the Lib-Dems wanted coalition with either Labour or the Tories.

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Thats stating the obvious. I doubt any of the Lib-Dems wanted coalition with either Labour or the Tories.

Yup, they like the purity of permanent opposition. No power = no ideological compromises.

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The truth will always out :rolleyes:.

Back stabbing by the LibDems whilst giving the Conservatives the impression that everything was proceeding well.

They would probably have got away with it too if it hadn't been for the few honest Labour MPs who said "enough is enough, we've lost the election, stop wriggling".

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This is going to go on for the whole of this parliament. The dumb press are incredulous at the whole idea. They can't seem to just accept that no, these people and these parties dont agree on everything. Period. So yes, you're going to find endless stories like this. "What their Andy said to our Susan" etc etc. The only thing that matters is can the end result be coherent and good policy, or something even vaguely close. Its not like Labour have been pulling a blinder for 13 years is it.

Point was made extremely well by Chris Addison on HIGNFY

The idea you can abstract these individual human beings and all their complicated array of views and delusions as either Yellow or Blue lies at the core of so many problems. For more on the stupidity of categorising and abstracting entire groups of people for mental convenience, see various writings of Dawkins.

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The truth will always out :rolleyes:.

Back stabbing by the LibDems whilst giving the Conservatives the impression that everything was proceeding well.

They would probably have got away with it too if it hadn't been for the few honest Labour MPs who said "enough is enough, we've lost the election, stop wriggling".

According to Ed Balls (deep breaths, deep breaths...he was in the room so your other choices are Mandy and Alastair Campbell) that is what Gordon said in the end. Clegg was saying he wanted to talk more, Gordon said he'd only do it if Clegg suspended talks with the Tories, Clegg said he wouldn't, Gordon said it was over. Which agrees with the other reports actually. Also, he'd agreed he was going to quit after the second debate...

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According to Ed Balls (deep breaths, deep breaths...he was in the room so your other choices are Mandy and Alastair Campbell) that is what Gordon said in the end. Clegg was saying he wanted to talk more, Gordon said he'd only do it if Clegg suspended talks with the Tories, Clegg said he wouldn't, Gordon said it was over. Which agrees with the other reports actually.

Ed Balls seems to have played quite a significant role in the scuttling of the LabLib talks, according to several involved. Apparently it was his uncompromising approach that led Cable to state that Labour were not engaged with the coalition process. He was also apparently instrumental in getting Brown to stand down. I wonder whether his ambition has caused him to play the long game, looking to skip the next parliament where all the flak will be taken, and set his sight on the PM role in a later parliament - although tbh the idea of him, with his crass, egocentric approach, in that position is quite disturbing.

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Ed Balls seems to have played quite a significant role in the scuttling of the LabLib talks, according to several involved. Apparently it was his uncompromising approach that led Cable to state that Labour were not engaged with the coalition process. He was also apparently instrumental in getting Brown to stand down. I wonder whether his ambition has caused him to play the long game, looking to skip the next parliament where all the flak will be taken, and set his sight on the PM role in a later parliament - although tbh the idea of him, with his crass, egocentric approach, in that position is quite disturbing.

Maybe a little cynical, preservation of the party is always the most important thing. Someone should tell the Lib Dems perhaps... on Any Questions tonight every time the Lib Dem tried to start a sentence about what he "believed" or his "principles" or his "values" the crowd rolled around with laughter. Didn't jeer, didn't shout abuse, just laughed. I'd suggest to you that is the worst possible response a politician can ever have.

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According to Newsnight on now, Vince Cable repeatedly told Gordon Brown he did not wish to go into coalition with the Tories.

The Times is reporting it tomorrow.

...Gordon Brown did not work well with Tony Blair ...and in this sense showed a lack of respect for his own party as he dwelled in his own self pity ...which soon turned into a civil war of Brownites and Blairites ...not much professionalism there...this is the real world and how many people with whom you have to work do you not like ...?.....but you have to get on with it..... :rolleyes:

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If I didn't live in NI, I would have voted for the Lib Dems. I also wanted a Lib/Con pact, as did my father.

If voting reform and civil liberties are your thing, Labour are not attractive.

Maybe part of the problem is that the Lib Dems have a history of being associated with Labour. I wish they would cut that loose, let the socialists rejoin Labour and forge a true Liberal party again. Freedom from lots of taxes, big government, authoritarian rule and an emphasis on civil liberties.

IMO, the reason the Lib/Con pact could work is that Clegg and Cameron both seem to share the idea of small government and civil liberties. If they can keep pushing the agenda in this direction, rather than dwelling on the areas that they disagree, a lot of good policy could result.

Of course, it's easy to say it's doomed to failure, but what is the alternative? Neither of the main two parties won, which is why we're here in the first place.

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Hmm. I wonder who the sources of this are? Could it possibly be some parts of the Labour machine now looking for a new job?

Not that any of it seems that unreasonable to me. As previous posters have said - it's going to difficult to pull apart what's spin, what's negotiating gambits, what represents old positions and what people actually feel now.

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Maybe a little cynical, preservation of the party is always the most important thing. Someone should tell the Lib Dems perhaps... on Any Questions tonight every time the Lib Dem tried to start a sentence about what he "believed" or his "principles" or his "values" the crowd rolled around with laughter. Didn't jeer, didn't shout abuse, just laughed. I'd suggest to you that is the worst possible response a politician can ever have.

That kind of derision suggests credibility has hit rock bottom - should be extremely worrying for them, particularly since their USP has been this kind of moral\ethical stance on many issues.

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This is all media hype right? The main outlets for these stories are the Tory press? The same Tory press that only 9 days ago told us all to vote Tory? Now the Tories are in power the Tory press want to damage the unity of the government? Why?

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This is all media hype right? The main outlets for these stories are the Tory press? The same Tory press that only 9 days ago told us all to vote Tory? Now the Tories are in power the Tory press want to damage the unity of the government? Why?

What Tory press? It's the Murdoch press, the same as when they were NuLabour drones, the corporate media always acts in its own interest regardless of the government, all this red/yellow/blue tag team bull$hit is kind of tiring.

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I used to support voting reform and PR, since it would give a better voice to the smaller parties, but I see now the consequence would be the Loony Liberals holding the country to ransom in perpetuity and have changed my mind. At least with FPTP you can chuck the government out for a good while and let them rethink their mistakes.

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If Cable is as good as a lot of people seem to think, he should be able to compromise without sacrificing his integrity, work with whoever he has to and get good stuff done.

His reluctance suggests to me we're looking at potential not to be realised, a bit like a watered down Benn/Powell.

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Oddly, Vince Cable, the darling of HPC posters, is in reality, nothing more than a power hungry politician...like all the rest.

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