The Current Totalitarian State

[DabHand]

and yet you know you could run off* off to Canada tomorrow if you wanted, wealth accrued in UK intact, how does that fit in?

*edited slightly abrasive

If you are trying to seduce someone, you don't generally try to pop your thumb up their **** as an opener.

Some of these things would be hard to justify in isolation and could spook the population into reaction, but mark my words they will come along when the context 'fits'. Someone mentioned boiled frog, l think that's about the gist.

[bogbrush]

Sad really, how some people can't grasp the (limited) freedom to "f*ck off if you don't like it" excuses the practices of the British government from being classed as Totalitarian. Thought control is the essence, and the presence of more people buying this cr@p simply confirms it's working well.

Totalitarianism does not even require border control, that's a strawman; it is a condition where the state controls thinking; Hell, why leave when you're brainwashed into thinking all these bad things started in America and what's happening in Greece can't happen here? If you're really dumb you might even believe this social contract bull$hit.

[lowrentyieldmakessense(honest!)]

just for Yours truly

[lowrentyieldmakessense(honest!)]

free thinking against the Government isnt liked

link

“It troubles me when I hear people say that all of government is inherently bad,” said Obama, who received an honorary doctor of laws degree. “For when our government is spoken of as some menacing, threatening foreign entity, it conveniently ignores the fact in our democracy, government is us.”

The government-loving AP headlines the story, “Obama Takes Direct Aim at Anti-Government Rhetoric,” and implies that Obama is talking about Palin and the Tea Parties. But the neocon Palin loves the government, as do the Tea Parties and the Republicans, even if they dissent on its current size, or actually just its current officeholders. Conservatives, liberals, neocons, socialists, communists, national socialists, social democrats, fascists, regime libertarians: all love and defend some or many aspects of government.

Who actually, in Obama’s phrase, thinks “all of government is inherently bad”? Just Rothbardian anarcho-capitalists, who are “anti-war, anti-state, pro-market,” in the LRC phrase. The state, as Obama implies, feels itself weakened by the reaction to its mass murder, mass looting, mass redistribution, and mass counterfeiting and subsequent economic depression. There has never been a state so big and so rapacious as the US, and the more people who begin to see through its propaganda, the more silly speeches to government audiences the government leader will try to give. The supremely rich taxing-killing machine is “us”? What blithering nonsense. The government is a separate, leech-like entity that lives by lies and aggression off the rest of us, and impoverishes us in the process, not to mention taking our freedom and destroying all that is good in human society. But Barack: we’re not taking it anymore. Read Murray N. Rothbard and Étienne de La Boétie if you want to know what that means.

[pyracantha]

If you are trying to seduce someone, you don't generally try to pop your thumb up their **** as an opener.

That would be the "Mandleslime technique" I believe...

[lowrentyieldmakessense(honest!)]

and

“This ‘divine fact’ called government is generally resident in the will and caprice of a person called a king; but it may exist under any other garb or mask. It may call itself a prince, an emperor, a czar, a shah, a mikado, a sultan, a president, a speaker of the House of Representatives. Whatever it is, and in whatever shape it comes, whether it be angel or devil, its peculiarity is that it exists and maintains itself and exercises its authority outside of and upon the people it governs.

“The theorem continues thus: Government is not of the people, but apart from them. It begins not in the hearts and hopes of them, but in its own passions and ambitions…Did space permit, I should gladly summarize the work of this monstrous thing among the nations of the earth. History is replete with the story of the abuses, cruelties, and tyrannies of the fact called government.”

[InternationalRockSuperstar]

Geographic location does not justify extortion

,,,

geographic location DOES justify taxation

again, same thing.

weird how you think extracting money from people by threatening them with kidnapping and locking up in institutionalised rape rooms is somehow not extortion.

there is no excuse for kidnap and rape, so stop trying to make one.

Afterall, that is what you'd do to someone squatting in your house and refusing to pay rent, right ? You'd point out it was your house.... and they're free to leave.... or they're free to stay and pay rent.... but if they stay and don't pay rent, it'll be jail for them eventually. How weird is that ? You extorting them and threatening them with rape rooms if they don;t comply ? You're freaking weird dude.

No ?

no, I'd just boot them out.

it does not require kidnapping, rape rooms or me pretending I have that a god given monopoly on the right to initiate force.

there is no excuse for kidnap and rape, so stop trying to make one.

If you don't like the social contract in that area when it includes taxation.... then you have to go elsewhere, where there is a contract with no taxation or no contract at all.

well again, contracts and taxation are not compatible. contacts require agreement on both side, whereas taxation require that one side be coerced.

your 'choice' of pay taxes or go elsewhere is a false dichotomy. I choose to stay here and not pay taxes. armed thungs in fancy dress threatening me with kidnap and rape rooms are what is stopping me make this choice.

it is extortion.

there is no excuse for kidnap and rape, so stop trying to make one.

No it isn't. In this geographic area there is a contract which all people within that area are expected to fulfil. In return they get the benefits of that contract. The responsibilities include taxation the benefits include, say, roads or public health.

you cannot determine if people actually value these services if they do not have the option to refuse payment.

there is no excuse for kidnap and rape, so stop trying to make one.

Taxation/States work off the same contract Property Rights/Your house do. In neither case must everyone in the country sign an agreement. You own your house and have the right to levy rents there even IF some people refuse to accept that as valid. The people of the UK "own" this geographic area and have the right to levy taxes there even IF some people refuse to accept that as valid.

no your house is REGISTERED with the LAND REGISTRY, which means that they have OWNERSHIP and you merely have EQUITABLE TITLE (conditional right of use).

there is no excuse for kidnap and rape, so stop trying to make one.

Because the land IS developed, even those bits of it you think are not.

British people chopped down the woods that were once over this entire island. They defend it with their blood from attack today and have done so for thousands of years. Any building materials you made your houses from would be protected by their laws and arrive through the transportation networks they built. When you needed goods not grown on your subsistence farm, they would also be protected by the same laws and arrive via the same infrastructure. Whatsmore, you are protected on that land by the police and the "institutionalized rape rooms" that are holding murderers and rapists who would otherwise be free to access that land and murder/rape you.

humans can't own land, it's a level of abstraction too far.

'land ownership' is actually controlling other people's whereabouts by force, controlling the whereabouts of other people's belongings by force, and restricting access to natural resources by force.

naturally, this allows the statist elites to really plunder their territory.

there is no excuse for kidnap and rape, so stop trying to make one.

Other humans you meet and interact with would have been educated by that country, so they could read and count well enough to do business with you.

you seriously need to research education in 19th century USA.

there is no excuse for kidnap and rape, so stop trying to make one.

You wouldn't catch cholera from them because of the public health measures, like sewers, and you wouldn't catch other nasty diseases because they were immunized..... .and so on..... that land IS developed.

yes, because I just squat and sh1t in the street without the rape rooms.

there is no excuse for kidnap and rape, so stop trying to make one.

[bogbrush]

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Are you prepared for the novel that's coming your way?

[InternationalRockSuperstar]

Are you prepared for the novel that's coming your way?

[Cicero]

Was it Oscar Wilde who wrote to a friend regretting that he would have written a short letter but he didn't have the time? Another intellectual lightweight I guess.

You must think intelligence and power of argument is directly proportionate to the volume of words. Sadly, it's generally the opposite.

PS I'd be happy to read half a page, it's just that you fit so little into it.

TGP needs to read George Orwell's 'Five Effective Rules for Writing'. He also needs to improve his spelling, punctuation and grammar.

[InternationalRockSuperstar]

He also needs to improve his spelling, punctuation and grammar.

I disagree

one can make a convincing argument without adhering to arbitrary standardisations in spelling etc

[porca misèria]

Home sickness Al, it's all it is.

Go somewhere nice like . . . like Ilfracombe. Lovely spots along there.

[Guest Noodle]

A39 coast road, dropping into each little fishing village . . . bliss.

[porca misèria]

A39 coast road, dropping into each little fishing village . . . bliss.

Sod coast road. Or any road. What's the good of an otherwise-fine view ruined by cars?

That's sunset from the coast path just west of Ilfracombe.

[Cicero]

I disagree

one can make a convincing argument without adhering to arbitrary standardisations in spelling etc

So, textspeak is a better way of articulating one's argument?

[InternationalRockSuperstar]

So, textspeak is a better way of articulating one's argument?

so long as ppl understand ur argument when they read it as u meant it 2 be understood, i can't see y standardised spelling & grammar would matter

similarly, sometimes u can write something with 100% standardised spelling & grammar, but ppl still get the wrong end of the stick, because ur choice of wording left the meaning somewhat ambiguous

Edited May 2, 2010 by InternationalRockSuperstar

[Cicero]

so long as ppl understand ur argument when they read it as u meant it 2 be understood, i can't see y standardised spelling & grammar would matter

similarly, sometimes u can write something with 100% standardised spelling & grammar, but ppl still get the wrong end of the stick, because ur choice of wording left the meaning somewhat ambiguous

Hence the necessity for clarity of meaning in all posts.

[lowrentyieldmakessense(honest!)]

so long as ppl understand ur argument when they read it as u meant it 2 be understood, i can't see y standardised spelling & grammar would matter

similarly, sometimes u can write something with 100% standardised spelling & grammar, but ppl still get the wrong end of the stick, because ur choice of wording left the meaning somewhat ambiguous

it doesnt but some get on their high horse about it maybe they like keeping the supposed uneducated in their place

[Cicero]

it doesnt but some get on their high horse about it maybe they like keeping the supposed uneducated in their place

Quite the contrary in fact. Good grammar should not be the preserve of a bunch of old Etonians, et al.

[lowrentyieldmakessense(honest!)]

Quite the contrary in fact. Good grammar should not be the preserve of a bunch of old Etonians, et al.

who decides good

and who decides grammer

[Guest Noodle]

Sod coast road. Or any road. What's the good of an otherwise-fine view ruined by cars?

That's sunset from the coast path just west of Ilfracombe.

Oh I agree. Should be done on a BMMW R1200GS really, or another comfy tourer, Yamaha FJR1300A.

I ain't walking.