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Good news story from the rise in petrol prices - hopefully these lumbering tanks will go the way of the dinoasaurs - at least 3 people from work I know of have traded down to something a little more practical, & fuel is only 50p a litre in Oz

There are of course some of us with a legitimate reason for one - so I'm hoping for a price crash in low mileage diesel pickups :D

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There are of course some of us with a legitimate reason for one - so I'm hoping for a price crash in low mileage diesel pickups  :D

Here in this part of Surrey, legitimate use consists of idle women, mid 30's to mid 40's, dropping their kids at school, driving up everyone else's a5ses, parking incredibly selfishly on any double yellow lines available (the fines are paid from pocket money), and of course the only off road driving is onto the fine gravel driveway alongside the mock tudor pad. They could do all this in a peugeot 106 just as well, but it's the 6 feet taller feeling that gives all these folks a false sense of their own security at the expense of everyone else's.

How I love those large bull bars both front and back, designed as they are to demolish both people and other cars at any speed above 5 miles an hour, hence the constant tail gating by nearly all 4x4 drivers, whose understanding of "safety" is "I am safe" and "bug ger anyone else."

I do concede though that there are owners who have a genuine need for them, around 1% perhaps. So I'm not knocking you personally of course.

VP

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Here in this part of Surrey,

You don't live near guildford by any chance do you - hit on my pet topic - when I lived in this area I started counting these cretins on my too long commute to work (v.sad I know but the car CD player was broken) and I just could not believe how many of these idiots there were.... gleaming chrome bull bars - 1 small child in back - owner unable to contol a much too large a vehicle with high centre of gravity and going into the lane of oncoming trafic as a result - morons.

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Here in this part of Surrey, legitimate use consists of idle  women, mid 30's to mid 40's, dropping their kids at school, driving up everyone else's a5ses, parking incredibly selfishly on any double yellow lines available (the fines are paid from pocket money), and of course the only off road driving is onto the fine gravel driveway alongside the mock tudor pad. They could do all this in a peugeot 106 just as well, but it's the 6 feet taller feeling that gives all these folks a false sense of their own security at the expense of everyone else's.

How I love those large bull bars both front and back, designed as they are to demolish both people and other cars at any speed above 5 miles an hour, hence the constant tail gating by nearly all 4x4 drivers, whose understanding of "safety" is "I am safe" and "bug ger anyone else."

I do concede though that there are owners who have a genuine need for them, around 1% perhaps. So I'm not knocking you personally of course.

VP

I don't take that as a knock as I accept that most people who buy the things are idiots. Best way to tell is...

1 - low profile road tyres and bling alloys

2 - no tow bar

3 - suspiciously clean and suspiciously good nick.

4 - large amount of shiney cr*p

5 - overpowered and under torqued petrol engine (except for Landies, Wranglers, etc. used in competition)

6 - any Vitara, Range Rover or X5 :P

If you see all six on one vehicle I'd suggest getting out of the way before the Chelsea Chump runs you down. :ph34r:

Bull bars on the front should be made instantly illegal, they are a menace to pedestrians, cyclists and bikers (and maybe to drivers of small cars like my Ibiza). They are another example of the "F*ck You" attitude prevalent in today's society. Give them a big car and they feel safe from the consequences of their selfishness...

...meanwhile, there's about 10-20% of buyers who have a good reason - either off road sport, farmers, country vets/doctors or anyone who has to tow something heavy or tow off road in my case.

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I share your dislike of excessive vehicles (I'm a two-wheels man when I can sort of person), but if you've got your kids in the back you want them in the safest cocoon possible. And some mums are pretty good at picking up other people's kids at the same time, so maybe we're getting worked up over nothing. And I've had some very polite 4x4 mum's let me through when I've been on the bike.

It is the single 30-40 year old c*** on the mobile phone tailgating in the Range Rover who needs an ASBO preventing him from driving anything bigger than a Fiat 500.

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I share your dislike of excessive vehicles (I'm a two-wheels man when I can sort of person), but if you've got your kids in the back you want them in the safest cocoon possible. And some mums are pretty good at picking up other people's kids at the same time, so maybe we're getting worked up over nothing. And I've had some very polite 4x4 mum's let me through when I've been on the bike.

It is the single 30-40 year old c*** on the mobile phone tailgating in the Range Rover who needs an ASBO preventing him from driving anything bigger than a Fiat 500.

Just a quick note, the big 4+4's are if anything less safe than a saloon car for the passengers/driver, they are also much more likely to kill other road users in an accident. Net reult EVERYBODY is less safe including the 4+4 drivers themselves.

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I share your dislike of excessive vehicles  but if you've got your kids in the back you want them in the safest cocoon possible.

Firstly some research suggests that 4x4s are more dangerous for their passengers than other cars.

Whether or not this is true has it occurred to you that your kids are only safe as long as they are inside the car. Once they are outside the car everybody's 4x4 becomes a danger to your child.

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I share your dislike of excessive vehicles (I'm a two-wheels man when I can sort of person), but if you've got your kids in the back you want them in the safest cocoon possible. And some mums are pretty good at picking up other people's kids at the same time, so maybe we're getting worked up over nothing. And I've had some very polite 4x4 mum's let me through when I've been on the bike.

It is the single 30-40 year old c*** on the mobile phone tailgating in the Range Rover who needs an ASBO preventing him from driving anything bigger than a Fiat 500.

I cant remember what program it was but i remember they crashed a 4x4 and the results for the people inside wernt pretty. The driver ended up hanging out and the people in the back were thrown around like dolls...the truck rolled numurous times i think. Cant really remember it too well, but they didnt go onto to answer if big trucks are actually safe for the people inside.

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I cant remember what program it was but i remember they crashed a 4x4 and the results for the people inside wernt pretty.  The driver ended up hanging out and the people in the back were thrown around like dolls...the truck rolled numurous times i think.  Cant really remember it too well, but they didnt go onto to answer if big trucks are actually safe for the people inside.

Cant find the link but there are some horrible US stats on SUV drivers that have killed their own kids as the vehicles are so high up they cant see whats behind them and so have run their own kids over getting out of the drive way ...

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but if you've got your kids in the back you want them in the safest cocoon possible.

Sorry but that argument just doesn't hold up. It's an often quoted reason for people buying 4X4's but in reality they are no safer that many other cars, not less safe I agree but when you consider the greater fule damage and their terrible pedestrian safety rating it makes the argument null and void.

http://www.euroncap.com/content/safety_rat...ntroduction.php

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interesting thread:

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/archive/i...p/t-123160.html

I actually agree, i think peopel should have to have extra training.  I have seen far to many people who cant handle the size of such a vehicle.

Good thread!

To be honest, the people who come to grief in 4x4s are the sort who will have accidents in any vehicle - the size affecting the damage's order of magnitude. Best solution isn't training so much as to restrict bad drivers to mopeds :D

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Good thread!

To be honest, the people who come to grief in 4x4s are the sort who will have accidents in any vehicle - the size affecting the damage's order of magnitude.  Best solution isn't training so much as to restrict bad drivers to mopeds  :D

nice:

http://www.stopurban4x4s.org.uk/safety.htm

edit: gotta add this:

"Urban 4x4s also have serious blind spots, extending more than 15 feet behind them.[8] In America, approximately one parent a week backs over and kills one of their own children in their 4x4.[8.9]"

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nice:

http://www.stopurban4x4s.org.uk/safety.htm

edit: gotta add this:

"Urban 4x4s also have serious blind spots, extending more than 15 feet behind them.[8] In America, approximately one parent a week backs over and kills one of their own children in their 4x4.[8.9]"

Interesting if biased too far the other way in my opinion. Careful with the statistics though - any pressure group edits them to suit their aims. For example, although the consumption figures are accurate on that site they have picked the worst case (auto vs manual, more powerful variant, etc.) for each of the 4x4s.

So, you need to know how many Americans kids get run over by their parents' "normal" cars to make a valid comparison.

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I never let a 4x4 out at a junction, as I'm happy to do for any other normal car. It's not malice its common sense, as if I'm driving behind one of these *****/vulva extensions, my visibility of the road ahead is considerably reduced.

I'm happy in the knowledge that 99% of these trucks are on the never never and will get reposessed when the recession comes.

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I think comparing a US SUV with the normal Chelsea tractor is probably stretching things a bit. Compare Clarkson's opinion of the F?50 Lightening with a Range Rover. He loved the Range Rover, but noted how hateful the handling was in the Ford (detached) because it was just a truck, and as a result didn't need to meet the safety standards. I think it scared him to be honest.

Plus these safety in crash issues really depend on the type of driving they're being used for at the time. Pootling round the town your occupants will be safer for you(even if everyone outside is f***ed). On a wet road at 70, with everyone else in the same car I'd rather be in the saloon it has to be said.

People don't buy cars based on a list of NCAP figures. And the state of some pedestrian's skull in a crash has very little to do with the safety of people inside the vehicle. Joe Public walks into the garage and chooses the biggest cocoon he can afford for to protect his kids. That's a fact.

Can we get this moved to off topic please?

/G

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I have got one :) , mine isn't massive and has a 2.0L vvti eco friendly engine, fully paid for and I use it for site surveying etc.. it serves a purpose for me, but I don't agree with all the school run mums using them, in fact women shouldn't be driving at all :lol::ph34r:

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Im no fan of bull bars whatsoever but I must point out that they DO have a use, although I suspect not so much in the UK.

There are some roads in Oz and elsewhere where it's unusual to NOT run into something on any given journey. I can tell you from personal experience that when a wallabie jumps out from behind a tree (they seem to wait for a car to come and then get scared so they jump out...) and next thing you've got a broken radiator (or worse, a wallabie sitting in your lap after having come through the windscreen) that it really isn't funny. And when you get two of them in the same 3 hour trip it doesn't do the car too much good...

Obviously it would make sense to find a better solution to this but I don't blame anyone who has to travel on country roads, especially at night (though I managed to smash a car hitting a wallabie in the middle of the day) who fits a bull bar. Could well save the life of the driver in that situation.

But in cities they are totally unnecessary. Not too many kangaroos jumping out from behind trees in central London (or Sydney).

Similar attachments have some specialised uses too on special purpose vehicles, mostly those involved with road works, construction etc. I've seen some quite practical uses of pushing things along or straightening them with a 4WD where the cost saving of doing it that way is huge. But these are very limited applications so I think that approval should be required to have a bull bar. If you have a legitimate need then you can have one, if not then you can't. Much like the use of flashing lights on vehicles is restricted to legitimate users (police, road works, fire etc). You can't just have one because you want it.

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I think comparing a US SUV with the normal Chelsea tractor is probably stretching things a bit. Compare Clarkson's opinion of the F?50  Lightening with a Range Rover. He loved the Range Rover, but noted how hateful the handling was in the Ford (detached) because it was just a truck, and as a result didn't need to meet the safety standards. I think it scared him to be honest.

Plus these safety in crash issues really depend on the type of driving they're being used for at the time. Pootling round the town your occupants will be safer for you(even if everyone outside is f***ed). On a wet road at 70, with everyone else in the same car I'd rather be in the saloon it has to be said.

People don't buy cars based on a list of NCAP figures. And the state of some pedestrian's skull in a crash has very little to do with the safety of people inside the vehicle. Joe Public walks into the garage and chooses the biggest cocoon he can afford for to protect his kids. That's a fact.

Can we get this moved to off topic please?

/G

Yeh you need that big cocoon when driving around town. I wonder how long before that kind of mentality gets people literally buying tanks..arnt they free to tax?

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you can use bull bars to smash through farmers fields if your on the run. this way you can travel the whole country without using the public roads. or they are perfect for 'nudging' other cars which have boxed you in a bit when parking.

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Yeh you need that big cocoon when driving around town. I wonder how long before that kind of mentality gets people literally buying tanks..arnt they free to tax?

Tanks are available from Russia for about £10,000+.

Postage and packing may be extra. :D

Tanks tend to be huge guzzlers of fuel thankfully, so we won't be seeing them on our roads just yet.

Still, could come in handy when passing through Chav strongholds.

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There are some roads in Oz and elsewhere where it's unusual to NOT run into something on any given journey. I can tell you from personal experience that when a wallabie jumps out from behind a tree (they seem to wait for a car to come and then get scared so they jump out...) and next thing you've got a broken radiator (or worse, a wallabie sitting in your lap after having come through the windscreen) that it really isn't funny. And when you get two of them in the same 3 hour trip it doesn't do the car too much good...

We have a similar problem here, bloody cyclists jumping out of the folliage, if you don't have bull bars they can damage your car & sometimes are able to walk away & possibly do it again. <_< Dammit.

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Tanks are available from Russia for about £10,000+.

Postage and packing may be extra.  :D

Tanks tend to be huge guzzlers of fuel thankfully, so we won't be seeing them on our roads just yet.

Still, could come in handy when passing through Chav strongholds.

A think a warrior would be ideal for the school run, it carries 7 passengers in full battle gear!

You could also have fun with tailgaters. Slam on the brakes and it will go up onto it's nose, the tailgater will go underneath your vehicle and be crushed. Smoke grenades can be deployed to deal with agressive drivers.

Unfortunately the fuel economy is poor and your average garage may have trouble maintaining it.

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A think a warrior would be ideal for the school run, it carries 7 passengers in full battle gear!

You could also have fun with tailgaters.  Slam on the brakes and it will go up onto it's nose, the tailgater will go underneath your vehicle and be crushed.  Smoke grenades can be deployed to deal with agressive drivers.

Unfortunately the fuel economy is poor and your average garage may have trouble maintaining it.

OK, here's something a little more economical that will stop chavs hassling you on the road :lol:

"Small" Unimog

Here's a nice clean second hand one for less than your wimpy chelsea tractor :P

Second Hand U300

He's going to Australia so it may be he'll sell you a nice house to go with it :lol:

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