Killing The Community

[tahoma]

I remember going to a community fireworks display, Peterborough Spinney, circa 1981, aged 9.

My mate was wearing one of those stereotypical parka snorkel jackets, you know, the blue ones with grey fur which were designed to get you knocked down when you crossed the road with the hood up.

A still-lit rocket fell right into his open hood, which then set on fire quite spectacularly. Fellow revellers had to beat out the flames. The evening went on, enjoyed by all.

Imagine - that would be headline news now. CHILD IMMOLATED IN FIREWORK HORROR. LESSONS LEARNED.

The only 'communities' allowed - nay, encouraged - now are the ones that are a mere euphemism for 'ghettos'.

[Dubai]

It's why smoking was banned in pubs.... nothing to do with your health (as if they give a...)

With the state of the UK and USA these days, you'd be forgiven for thinking that either the commies or the fourth reich had a cunning plan to collapse both from the inside.....

Edited March 4, 2010 by Dubai

[Timm]

It's called Fabian socialism

Why shoot and kill when you can destroy society by subversion without firing a shot?

No it's not! It's called the Thatcher legacy.

Heh.

Socialists think that they can make or destroy society by Policy.

Witness the drivel regarding "building strong Communities", and the paranoid fury when they form.

But then Thatcher did do said a silly misspeak. Society does exist but the immanence of social interaction is a natural phenomena that should not can never in any way be a function of the state other than its partial and temporary limitation or control.

We are about to discover just how partial that temporary influence was.

[Pindar]

Deliberate soviet style destruction of communities leading to demorilisation and then to collapse. All to plan.

+1

[Pindar]

this must have been early to mid 80's. I am beggining to believe that the destruction of community and community spirit was quite deliberate.

Anyone else remember anything or have similar instances?

I think the demise of the local pub is another example of the corporatisation of the UK and the doctrine of "allowed" interaction that forms the basis of the new creed. The small local was once a place where like minded people could come together and discuss things without it being visible to all and sundry. One of the first things to happen in an totalitarian state is the banning of public gatherings. IMHO the same is being achieved by stealth and under the guise of "health and safety". The restrictions on bonfires etc., the attacks on small breweries by the corporate leisure conglomerates, to name but a few. And yes, I do think that at the root of it is the EU and its pro-vatican allegiances. No surprise to me that the new EU "president" is a Jesuit who spends time in a monastery every month.

[Dubai]

I think the demise of the local pub is another example of the corporatisation of the UK and the doctrine of "allowed" interaction that forms the basis of the new creed. The small local was once a place where like minded people could come together and discuss things without it being visible to all and sundry. One of the first things to happen in an totalitarian state is the banning of public gatherings. IMHO the same is being achieved by stealth and under the guise of "health and safety". The restrictions on bonfires etc., the attacks on small breweries by the corporate leisure conglomerates, to name but a few. And yes, I do think that at the root of it is the EU and its pro-vatican allegiances. No surprise to me that the new EU "president" is a Jesuit who spends time in a monastery every month.

100% agreed. But then you start thinking who's behind it? nulabia don't have the brains.... we can blame the jesuits, jews nazis, commies, nwo, lizards, little grey aliens..... but at the end of the day, it's our fault for letting it happen. Sorry, kids!

[Dave Spart]

That your council thought the community needed a purpose built centre says everything*.

It's not a venue but community spirit itself that needed building - to get people involved in local affairs. A website would have been a good start and a whole lot cheaper too.

Venues for physical meetings could be the local pub or church hall - as they were in times gone by.

To illustrate my point just look at the HPC community. Hundreds of members come here everyday to keep up to date but we only physically meet on occasion and when we do its usually at a pub.

What I have seen from community centres is their tendency to be closely associated with the benefits culture, alienating the talent most able to make a positive difference to the community. Rarely have I ever seen them encourage enterprise and an outward looking culture.

*Doubtless bungs passed hands while backs were slapped.

Edited March 4, 2010 by Dave Spart

[SNACR]

I have wondered what parallels there are between what is happening now with Western Civilisation and what happened in the Roman Empire. Perhaps this deserves its own thread, but other than the fact that that empire took a hundred years or more to collapse, It looks like the same bubble to me. Without us invading other countries ad infinitum we are going to collapse in on ourselves.

GIven the amount that we still find kicking around today, they obviously ended up having to mint an awful lot of coins.

[aa3]

If both adults are out at work all day, who is going to organise anything? Back in the day all the mothers would get things happening. Maybe just out of sheer bordom.

Now they are a work, paying for the community centre. The only people left in the 'community' are the rich do-gooders, and the time rich dole scroungers.

Who wants to spend their only day off having Mrs Parker-Smythe talking down to them, while Wayne,'the geeza' Rodgers breaks into their house?

10 out of 10 post.

We have lost so much in so many ways by sending the women to work. When women went to work everything just got more expensive/taxes went up by the amount of the second income.

So a few people got very rich.. while family and community life suffered or died.

[aa3]

In response to the OP if it isn't a conspiracy they sure are doing a good job of targetting things.

Both the prevailing ideologies of the 20th century, communism and capitalism are anti-community. Both seek to atomize the individual. Communism seeks to centralize decision making in a far off capital, taking away the communities ability to make decisions for itself. Communism also won't allow exclusion, and communities are based on exclusion. Without the ability to discriminate there is no freedom of association.

Capitalism seeks to turn every aspect of human life into a financial transaction. From a mother cooking dinner for her family.. to a waitress serving a family in a restaurant, with a profit involved for the owners(and taxes made on the transaction). From a local amatuer festival, to a for profit-theater.

[Pindar]

In response to the OP if it isn't a conspiracy they sure are doing a good job of targetting things.

Both the prevailing ideologies of the 20th century, communism and capitalism are anti-community. Both seek to atomize the individual. Communism seeks to centralize decision making in a far off capital, taking away the communities ability to make decisions for itself. Communism also won't allow exclusion, and communities are based on exclusion. Without the ability to discriminate there is no freedom of association.

Capitalism seeks to turn every aspect of human life into a financial transaction. From a mother cooking dinner for her family.. to a waitress serving a family in a restaurant, with a profit involved for the owners(and taxes made on the transaction). From a local amatuer festival, to a for profit-theater.

Absolutely, and to any centralised system, the power of communities to make autonomous decisions is perceived as a threat. Imposition of the scale of a continent onto sovereign states leads to decimation of the very things that identified those states. The only ones who benefit are the shareholders of corporate interests and the power hungry politicians. Politicians adhere to and impose their flawed ideologies which (be design or not) serve the interests of corporations.

Differences at a national and community level are things to be celebrated and not destroyed.

Edited March 4, 2010 by Pindar

[winkie]

Absolutely, and to any centralised system, the power of communities to make autonomous decisions is perceived as a threat. Imposition of the scale of a continent onto sovereign states leads to decimation of the very things that identified those states. The only ones who benefit are the shareholders of corporate interests and the power hungry politicians. Politicians adhere to and impose their flawed ideologies which (be design or not) serve the interests of corporations.

Differences at a national and community level are things to be celebrated and not destroyed.

Strength in numbers, strong communities with diversity and common beliefs that support and protect one another will be the biggest threat to any system that wishes to control and destroy our freedom and liberties.

[Guest eight]

Anecdotal: I recently was speaking to a woman who is involved in a political party. She was deeply troubled by the time that the population wasted in pubs, when they could be engaged in productive endeavors such as charity or the arts.

This person has now got her party's support to stand in the next local elections... I dread to think what she might get up to if elected.

Oh god. Which party? (as if I need to ask.....)

Also, don't these people realise just how counterproductive they are? I mean, right now I don't "waste" any time in the pub at all but if this woman got elected I'd make bloody well sure that I did.

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[200p]

A slow destruction of the community right under our noses. The next generation are now on facebook, internet forums etc. This gives government time to remove gentlemens clubs, parks, pubs etc without much of a fight.

Once we are all on the internet - IT WILL BE EASY TO TURN IT OFF. Then we're f**ked, in a spasm like epileptic badgers, unable to to do anything.

And now phase2

The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency

[200p]

I was speaking to someone who runs the girl guides. Two problems

1. Fewer volunteers

2. Fewer girls - one group has closed in the local area.

We're all too busy working paying taxes, bills, debts and payments for that souless lifeless magnolia house.

Zombie nation.

[workhou]

New Labour has changed the word "community" as a term for "multicultural integration." They don't seem to give a stuff about the existing UK community at large but rather, they want to build what I see as an "artificial community" with all the immigrants they have imported over the last 10 years living happily side by side. So everyone plays nice.

The British community as we knew it, is done mainly due to individualism and immigration. They are nation building a community of immigrants. Whether or not it will work is anyone's guess, if it doesn't work though there may be trouble ahead. I hope it fu*ks up.

[the gardener]

As a child I lived opposite a large park and there was a place there that every year we would have a bonfire on nov 5. The whole community would be out. Everyone would bring wood in the days before and construct a huge bonfire, larger than I have seen at many displays. On the night, everyone that lived in the area would descend on the park, watch the fire and chat together. Everyone came together at that time like no other time of year...Anyone else noticed these things over the years or been on the planning side and know why or got any ideas why this seems to have been happening?

If you build it, they will come.

[Ruffneck]

since labour brought in so many immigrants many of them just seem to congregate in their own groups , not really talking to those outside their groups

along with people watching more tv and spending more time on the computer , not to mention people being afraid to do anything thanks to the medias scare tactics this has destroyed the community

[Ruffneck]

I was speaking to someone who runs the girl guides. Two problems

1. Fewer volunteers

2. Fewer girls - one group has closed in the local area.

We're all too busy working paying taxes, bills, debts and payments for that souless lifeless magnolia house.

Zombie nation.

people don't volunteer for it anymore because they may be seen as being a pedophile

same with boy scouts although probably worse you'd imagine

[Nationalist]

I don't want to get too political here, BUT.... since there may be people here genuinely curious as to how and why our society is being destroyed, read all about it here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School

It really is a Marxist "plot". The aim is to pull down the major pillars of society: the family, ethnic loyalty, patriotism, self-reliance, even private enterprise itself, in order to create a vacuum into which marxism may be inserted. The main agent of change in this country is:

http://www.commonpurpose.org.uk/

"Common Purpose" is a front for "Communist Party". Its bland-sounding "leadership courses" are indoctrination events. They induct public sector high-flyers, train them (using our taxes to fund the "courses") and then these "graduates" use their influence to help each other up the career ladder. They're a 5th column in our midst.

(There's a "deeper secret" but somethings can't be said.)

Know your enemy!

Edited March 4, 2010 by Nationalist

[eek]

I was speaking to someone who runs the girl guides. Two problems

1. Fewer volunteers

2. Fewer girls - one group has closed in the local area.

We're all too busy working paying taxes, bills, debts and payments for that souless lifeless magnolia house.

Zombie nation.

I was told yesterday that the Girl Guides had encountered a problem with their new website. When it was designed they made an assumption that no one ran more than 1 or occassionally 2 packs. It turns out that due to demand and lack of volunteers over 300 people run 3 or more packs.

people don't volunteer for it anymore because they may be seen as being a pedophile

same with boy scouts although probably worse you'd imagine

I don't for that exact reason (its also lack of time but the CRB check requirement is the excuse I always give). I do actually have 2 CRB checks, one for the School I'm a Governor of and for Girl Guides but that is so that I can give my wife a hand in dire emergencies.

Edited March 4, 2010 by eek

[the gardener]

If Community is being killed it's because we are letting it happen.

Here's an idea. Why don't all of us pledge to do one thing to improve our community this year?

What could you do? Well it could be anything. Perhaps volunteer to help one of the local community groups (who may be struggling due to lack of volunteers). Join a society. Attend an event at the local arts centre. Take a short evening course at the local college. It could be something as simple as stopping to talk to the person who passes your house everyday whilst taking their dog for a walk. Anything really, that gets you out and about to meet other local people. Perhaps even go to church on a Sunday. People knock them but churches are a good place on which to build a strong community.

Come on. Let us all do one thing this year (or even month) to improve our local communities. Get out there and build it.

[tiggerthetiger]

I believe we are going through a learning phase of what it means to be a consumer. Hopefully if the consumer/banking system breaks, and I sincerely hope it does, albeit slowly. We will all come out the other side better off. It`s because we are all in this for personal gain and end up looking over our shoulders to protect our belongings we lose trust in other people, it`s become a paranoia.

We are told to snitch on others,who seemingly cheat, as it`s our civic duty. It`s creating an atmosphere of mistrust in anyone unless you absolutely follow the party line. If you follow this line then you are a good person. The problem is that some of these good leaders are not good, they have ulterior motives and many times it`s just plain meanness. Which hides behind taking the moral high ground.

Street parties, informal gatherings, meetings, bonfires, all have to be strictly monitered and controlled. Blimey, yes, the more I think about it, the more it feels like we live in a police state and if we do not behave, will be imprisoned....

Edited March 4, 2010 by tiggerthetiger

[the gardener]

I was told yesterday that the Girl Guides had encountered a problem with their new website. When it was designed they made an assumption that no one ran more than 1 or occassionally 2 packs. It turns out that due to demand and lack of volunteers over 300 people run 3 or more packs.

My eldest has just started Brownies and her pack is now full. There's certainly no lack of demand in our town, just volunteers to run them. The wife will volunteer to help out soon, once our little one is a bit older.

[Ben from Dover]

Perhaps even go to church on a Sunday. People knock them but churches are a good place on which to build a strong community.

Come on. Let us all do one thing this year (or even month) to improve our local communities. Get out there and build it.

100% agree with that. when we moved house recently we had over 25 people come and help out. All from our church. We don't even have much stuff. someone even came round to bring us dinner later in the day because they didn't think we would want to cook.

Church is an excellent place to get involved in community. It has the added benefit that most of the people there have to (at least pretend) to be nice people and care about you.