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Maggie Knew...

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In the area I grew up in maggie will always be despised for destroying industry much needed today. Instead of sitting on their arses on benefits working class people used to have meaningful jobs.

It's alright for home counties types on here speaking from their ivory towers but she did a lot of damage.

I predict there will be celebrations in certain parts on her passing

Must be an area full of idiots who think one human being has the power to destroy an industry.

Overpaid workers, inefficent busines, uneconomical products. I suspect Unions played a much bigger part than Maggie.

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Is this tonight's caption competition?

OK I'll start

"I used to be Prime Minister, young man."

"And I used to believe in Clause IV."

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Must be an area full of idiots who think one human being has the power to destroy an industry.

Overpaid workers, inefficent busines, uneconomical products. I suspect Unions played a much bigger part than Maggie.

I think you're right - they used to defend workers' pensions. Nowadays, of course they're not affordable to asset-strippers private-equity finance but as we all know Maggie smashed the unions.

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The Tories have dragged out people like Heseltine, Kenneth Clarke and Tebbett, why dont they put Maggie on the telly ask her what she thinks?

Interviewer: Do you think in retrospect deregulation the City was a good idea, bearing in mind it eventually lead to the near collapse of the UK economy?

Mrs Thatcher: Wibble!

Interviewer: Do you think the average working man and woman has benefited from the neo liberal polices since the Reagan/Thatcher era ?

Mrs Thatcher: Wibble! Wibble!

Interviewer: Thank you Mrs Thatcher

I think Brown will lose the plot and go wibble a lot sooner after leaving office than Maggie did.

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One of the great debates of our time is about how much of your money should be spent by the State and how much you should keep to spend on your family. Let us never forget this fundamental truth: the State has no source of money other than money which people earn themselves. If the State wishes to spend more it can do so only by borrowing your savings or by taxing you more. It is no good thinking that someone else will pay—that "someone else" is you. There is no such thing as public money; there is only taxpayers' money.

Prosperity will not come by inventing more and more lavish public expenditure programmes. You do not grow richer by ordering another cheque-book from the Bank. No nation ever grew more prosperous by taxing its citizens beyond their capacity to pay.

Mr. President, let me tell you how you really terminate the health service. You do it by pretending there are no hard choices. You do it by behaving as though Britain has a bottomless purse. You do it be promising what you cannot deliver, by assuming that all you need to do is to snap your fingers, cry "abracadabra" and to and behold, the sky's the limit. But the sky is not the limit, for this or any other Government, or indeed for any other country, and to imply that it is or ever can be is sheer humbug and a fraud on the people.

Our opponents would spend, spend and spend before they had even filled in the coupon, let alone win the pools.

The great surges of progress and prosperity in this country did not come directly from Government action. They were not based on national plans. They came from free men, working in a free society, where they could deploy their talents to their best advantage for themselves, for their countries and for the future.

Margeret Thatcher 14 Oct 1983.

Obviously state money comes in handy if you have to fight a war when you wind up losing British territory due to your penny pinching and you desperately want another term in office.

When it comes to winning a General Election the sky is always the limit regardless of whether you are Labour or Tory.

Edited by realcrookswearsuits

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I think Brown will lose the plot and go wibble a lot sooner after leaving office than Maggie did.

I thought you had to be nuts to want the office.

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Gordon:

Thank Christ it's you - they said the ex-PM was on their way and I thought Blair was back.

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Blair and Mandy will have him dealt with as the Masons dealt with Jack the Ripper in "From Hell".

Leave him drooling in a cell.

. . . you don't think it's already like that?

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no it doesn't.

you over regulate business and you don't get employment,so tax receipts fall.

if you overtax people they are perfectly capable of buggering off on a jet plane somewhere else...so tax receipt fall.

if you fill peoples heads with nonsense and make them unemployable,then any hig-skilled work will be done elsewhere...all the bang-for-your-buck industry which could give us a cutting edge won't be here...so no exports....and tax receipts fall

endless ninnying promotes a viscious circle of decline,and these type of scenarios can take generations to rectify.

So NO,the state does not have an endless supply of money,or talent.

In todays world both are very fluid substances.

if you put garbage in,you get garbage out.

leave it mate, he's not worth it.

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If find yourself in the same room as Thatcher, you don't give a cup of tea, you drive a stake through her heart and bury her under the patio.

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leave it mate, he's not worth it.

Its a shame when previously moderately interesting posters "go troll", presumably when they get bored or run out of things to say.

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One of the great debates of our time is about how much of your money should be spent by the State and how much you should keep to spend on your family. Let us never forget this fundamental truth: the State has no source of money other than money which people earn themselves. If the State wishes to spend more it can do so only by borrowing your savings or by taxing you more. It is no good thinking that someone else will pay—that "someone else" is you. There is no such thing as public money; there is only taxpayers' money.

Prosperity will not come by inventing more and more lavish public expenditure programmes. You do not grow richer by ordering another cheque-book from the Bank. No nation ever grew more prosperous by taxing its citizens beyond their capacity to pay.

Mr. President, let me tell you how you really terminate the health service. You do it by pretending there are no hard choices. You do it by behaving as though Britain has a bottomless purse. You do it be promising what you cannot deliver, by assuming that all you need to do is to snap your fingers, cry "abracadabra" and to and behold, the sky's the limit. But the sky is not the limit, for this or any other Government, or indeed for any other country, and to imply that it is or ever can be is sheer humbug and a fraud on the people.

Our opponents would spend, spend and spend before they had even filled in the coupon, let alone win the pools.

The great surges of progress and prosperity in this country did not come directly from Government action. They were not based on national plans. They came from free men, working in a free society, where they could deploy their talents to their best advantage for themselves, for their countries and for the future.

Margeret Thatcher 14 Oct 1983.

Well if she knew so much , it 's a pity she only cut taxes for the rich and not the average people as well. Basic rate income tax might have come down form 33p to 22p when the tories were in power , but the average earner lost that benefit as their n/i went up from 6p-10p , personnel allowances were frozen during periods of high inflation causing fiscial drag. Vat , went from 8.5% to 15% in 1979 , and then 17.5% , that last 2.5% rise was to enable a reduction in poll tax , the local tax of the time , we went over to council tax the costs of that have risen and the vat remains .

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Can someone wipe my ****..

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is she dead yet?? party time soon.. B)

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Can someone wipe my ****..

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is she dead yet?? party time soon.. B)

No but im keeping my fingers crossed it will be soon !!

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Just look at that gaint knocker to Mrs T's left.

Are you thinking what im thinking?

Could I get Thatchers head through that?

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It can't - budgets are set centrally and transferring money between the MOD and Health is the prerogative of the Chancellor of the Exchequer.

Exactly. That's the point I am trying to make. I am not arguing that managers and HR on a departmentalised level are taking advantage of reduced labour costs, but that the public sector as an entity, with the Chancellor of the Exchequer at the top, has the ability to employ vast numbers of workers at far lower costs vis a vis revenue and funds available than the private sector.

It's the phenomenon on a macro level that is the issue here.

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All reasonable points, but this like many threads on these board miss the point. The thread is debating the wrong issue. If I was a conspiracy theorist (which I am not) I would say that if certain priveleged members of society, should ever stumble onto these boards by mistake, would be very relieved to see that it's business as usual and the masses squabbling amongst themselves, rather than turning their eyes to the real cuplrits. "It's a bloated public sector", "it's dole scroungers,"it's poor goverment econmic policy..","Maggie had it right","Lenin had it right",<fill in your own favourite slogan here>. There are very few threads on these boards that seem to debate the real issue, that money has been perverted.

Money is just a tool, a tool for everyone, not just a few. It is intended as a way for us, all of us, to be able to exchange our labours with others for theirs. Originally you would have swapped me a chicken that I had raised with a rabbit that you had raised. I would have fixed your roof, you would have fixed my well. Money is just a symbolic representation of that exchange. It saves me having to have huge pockets to carry all my chickens around in !

That's not what money is now, it's control which was intended to be for the benefit of all has been hijacked by thieves and crooks. It really is a very strange state of affairs when you think about it. The precise reason that a banker is able to pay himself a huge bonus is because his job is to do with controlling the money supply ! Not tricky that. He isn't more creative,more clever or more productive than you or I , he simply has been given the job of looking after the supply of this asset, which belongs not to him but to everyone. The money he is awarding to himself is the promise of labour that he could not possibly earn in a hundred lifetimes ! and that's because it's your labour and my labour that he is taking and our childrens labour.

When I see more threads discussing this I will know we have made progress, till then I can't bear to watch the strings being pulled....

Spot on.

So what in your view is the answer ? Although I agree with everything you have said I would also like to know what it is you think needs to be done, and how it will be done ?

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Drivel spoken by Thatcher.

The state has access to an unlimited supply of money.

...typical head in the sand socialist view just like Gordo which thinks money grows on trees ....when the Government or the BofE print money ..they are only taking out more debt in your name ...you have to pay for it eventually....

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So why didn't your precious socialist government re-regulate the banks then and tax BTL?

You're living in a fantasy World I'm afraid.

I can understand the venom many feel towards Thatcher, I used to feel it myself-working class background, scottish, grew up under the last conservative government but those who seek to blame a government who were last in power 13 years ago are simply in denial. Yes they can argue there was a lot to be undone (not that I'd argue there was) but then why has the labour party not done so but instead relaxed regulation of financial services further and systematically introduced laws which seek to remove freedoms long established. I find it most frustrating to hear morons denouncing the conservatives (old and new) whilst singing the praises of neolabour as if by some miracle finding new and creative ways to manipulate data and patting ourselves on the back cannot lead to economic collapse.

I give up!!!

My one fear is that cameron is no Thatcher and is to weak to "do the right thing"

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