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be prepared for barter transactions to escape the system

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Greece is NWO Test Ground, Says Greek Reader

February 11, 2010

"All men of power here, get their power from plundering the Greek people, or having connections with those that do it."

I am 26 years old and live in Greece. I am writing this letter in order to let you know about a new law in Greece announced yesterday.

The financial minister of Greece announced yesterday that from 1/1/2011 all financial transactions of sums above 1500 euros in cash, will be banned. For any transaction above 1500 euros, only credit cards and checks will be legal. The formal explanation for this law is it will combat those who do not pay taxes. But we all know this is not the case...

It seems the new world order wants to make Greece a testing ground for their new laws. For the past months, Greece have been attacked without mercy. We have been called liars, frauds, cheaters, thieves. They are threatening us constantly with banning from the euro zone and default. [These charges are] not true. ... The problem is, based on their accusations and (the virtual) bad situation of Greek finances, they will pass their experimental laws of their new world order.

The fairly new Government of the socialist party, elected 4 months ago, forgot all its promises, and is determined to pass laws giving citizenship to illegal immigrants after 5 years, without any trade-off. We are 10 million Greeks here, and almost 3 million mostly illegal immigrants, who will obtain Greek nationality and will gain the right to bring their families here too... In Pakistan there are even ads saying "for 5000 euros we get you to Greece, to study free, work, make families, and obtain EU passports"...

And now this... The previous government created a new ID card, to collect data from people since childbirth. This government will ban transactions in cash over 1500 euros, in order to make all of us have credit cards. The obvious first step is to ban all cash transactions, then merge this new ID card with the credit system, then, well.... insert this merged ID card into our bodies...

Our peoples' morale is low, society is disorganized because of immigration and propaganda, and we will not fight those laws. You people living in the Western World, be prepared because they are planning the same for you!

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They already have data from their Iceland experiment. They are now trying it with the birthplace of so-called democracy.

The Irish proved to be a pushover, even voting yes to a second question on the Lisbon treaty.

In Iceland, it looks like the forthcoming referendum will be a "no" to the Icelandic people being held accountable for the bad debts of a handful of banking criminals.

Greece is the test case for using the financial system to cause popular uprising and a test for the powers of the Lisbon treaty. I wonder how far the EU will go when it comes to enforcing them?

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Makes sense, there's no profit for the commercial banking system if debt-free cash is used to conduct business.

Much better for the bankers to force everyone to use a means of exchange which first must be borrowed at interest from them just to get into circulation.

The rent-a-currency scam is so obvious, its structure and logic are so clear if you take the trouble to look.

Think about it, understand it, discuss it with your friends and family.

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Makes sense, there's no profit for the commercial banking system if debt-free cash is used to conduct business.

Much better for the bankers to force everyone to use a means of exchange which first must be borrowed at interest from them just to get into circulation.

It's got nothing to do with borrowing and everything to do with providing an audit trail.

I have to say it's a silly way to do this. The Italians used to have the same problems as Greece (wrt the black economy) and they got rid of it by introducing rules to fine purchasors who left shops/resturants without an official receipt. People soon got used to asking for receipts!

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It's got nothing to do with borrowing and everything to do with providing an audit trail.

I have to say it's a silly way to do this. The Italians used to have the same problems as Greece (wrt the black economy) and they got rid of it by introducing rules to fine purchasors who left shops/resturants without an official receipt. People soon got used to asking for receipts!

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eh

whats the black economy

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I'm sorry, but this just sounds like conspiracy theory to me.

I have never made a cash transaction for over 1,500 Euros, nor would I particularly want to carry that much cash around. Whereas I imageine tax-dodgers do so all the time.

And yes, as the OP suggests, the tax dodgers may well move to bartering or paying in gold coins instead.

Greece is not a deliberate testing ground for anything - it is just a country that has been mis-managed.

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I'm sorry, but this just sounds like conspiracy theory to me.

I have never made a cash transaction for over 1,500 Euros, nor would I particularly want to carry that much cash around. Whereas I imageine tax-dodgers do so all the time.

And yes, as the OP suggests, the tax dodgers may well move to bartering or paying in gold coins instead.

Greece is not a deliberate testing ground for anything - it is just a country that has been mis-managed.

good for you, its your choice

what about people who wish to avoid the banks

and tax dodgers are they in the wrong or is it those doing the taxing

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I got my problems and I pay the price
We gotta plug the gap, we gotta feed it right
There ain't no danger we can go too far
We start believing now that we can print who we are
Greece is the word....

They think our debt is just a growing pain
Why don't they understand, It's just a dying state
Their lips are lying only gold is real
We start to find right now we got to be who we deal

Greece is the word is the word that you heard
It's got mood, it's misleading
Greece is the time, is the place, its commotion
Greece is the pain we are feeling

We take the pressure and we throw away
Responsibility belongs to yesterday
There is a chance that we can ramp it so far
We start believing now that we can print who we are

Greece is the word (is the word that they heard)
It's got mood, it's misleading
Greece is the time, is the place, its commotion
Greece is the pain we are feeling

This is a life of illusion
Wrapped up in trouble
Laced with confusion
What are we doing?

We take the pressure and we throw away
Responsibility belongs to yesterday
There is a chance that we can ramp it so far
We start believing now that we can print who we are

Greece is the word (is the word that they heard)
It's got mood, it's misleading
Greece is the time, is the place, its commotion
Greece is the pain we are feeling
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It's got nothing to do with borrowing and everything to do with providing an audit trail.

It's to do with both, and the two issues are logically independent.

Audit trails can be enforced for debt-free, publicly issued electronic money just as they can be (and are) for debt-based, commercially issued (broad) money.

My point is that the Greek law is one more step towards the absolute consolidation of the borrowed-into-existence rent-a-currency system.

Why should we pay interest to a privileged minority for the existence of an adequate means of exchange when collectively (i.e. publicly) we could organize it for ourselves at negligible cost?

That is the question.

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I got my problems and I pay the price

We gotta plug the gap, we gotta feed it right

There ain't no danger we can go too far

We start believing now that we can print who we are

Greece is the word....

They think our debt is just a growing pain

Why don't they understand, It's just a dying state

Their lips are lying only gold is real

We start to find right now we got to be who we deal

Greece is the word is the word that you heard

It's got mood, it's misleading

Greece is the time, is the place, its commotion

Greece is the pain we are feeling

We take the pressure and we throw away

Responsibility belongs to yesterday

There is a chance that we can ramp it so far

We start believing now that we can print who we are

Greece is the word (is the word that they heard)

It's got mood, it's misleading

Greece is the time, is the place, its commotion

Greece is the pain we are feeling

This is a life of illusion

Wrapped up in trouble

Laced with confusion

What are we doing?

We take the pressure and we throw away

Responsibility belongs to yesterday

There is a chance that we can ramp it so far

We start believing now that we can print who we are

Greece is the word (is the word that they heard)

It's got mood, it's misleading

Greece is the time, is the place, its commotion

Greece is the pain we are feeling

:rolleyes: Bravo!!

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It's to do with both, and the two issues are logically independent.

I agree that they are independent.

I disagree that this new law has anything at all to do with some conspiracy theory that it is trying to encourage Greeks to borrow more.

It has evertying to do with making sure that they pay their taxes.

tim

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Makes bank runs more difficult.

Bank runs and/or taking your Euros out of Greece are much easier to control via the electronic bankstering system.

If you choose to use cash, then as Gordon tells us, you're must be a terror wrist.

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lowrentyield, have you got any corroborating links for this story - like an official announcement from the greek government?

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE61824V20100209

HIGHLIGHTS-Greek FinMin unveils tax reform, wage policy

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"From 1. Jan. 2011, every transaction above 1,500 euros between natural persons and businesses, or between businesses, will not be considered legal if it is done in cash. Transactions will have to be done through debit or credit cards"

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Even if it is true, I'd have thought it would only apply to commercial transactions. If I buy a car off someone in a private sale and pay him thousands of € in cash, no-one will know and it would continue. Edit: IRS's post while I was writing this confirms only business transactions.

However, property sales where they pay a wad of it in cash to avoid taxes, a bit like happens in other EU countries, may have to stop.

Shops coul get round it if you are making a multiple purchase of say, tobacco products by splitting up the sale into several receipts below a threshold. This happens in Spain a lot.

The 'tabacos' were instructed a few years ago to limit the packets of rolling tobacco sold to customers, a bit of an anti-smuggling promo I think. They just issued you with several receipts all below €100 each and accepted the cash. There is a 2% surcharge to use a debit or credit card in these shops so cash is still the way to go. (Why does € symbol disappear in an 'edit'?)

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