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Why Bubble Countries Are Introducing Id Cards

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Australia

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000080&sid=a0frH90idLMo&refer=asia

July 27 (Bloomberg) -- Australian Prime Minister John Howard is considering making citizens carry an identity card to avert terrorist attacks, 20 years after campaigning against such a move on grounds it was an invasion of privacy.

United Kingdom

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4625407.stm

Blair 'confident' over ID cards

United States

ID card: Feds wrong to make states pay for national defense

http://www.lsj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?A...10/1086/opinion

Rising houseprices and the borrowing to create them has been the economy over the past few years, even as normal businesses and productivity has been stuffed with red tape and regulations and sees rising taxes.

Rising interest rates and tighter credit will have to come at some point. When it does come it will create a drop in credit, which may well have a knock on effect - the still overextended from the orgy will cause houseprices to drop, and bad loans to form on the books of banks with rising interest rates in the asset backed derivatives market.

Obvoiusly a credit crunch which many on here assume as inevitable, would be avoided at all costs. To do this, and continue the spending as real productivity continues to shift away from bubble countries, then - undersuch a a crisis - other than direct inflation - more credit would have to be injected to keep houseprices high and the borrowing and spending continuing.

Any staving off of disaster would have to be raised from taxation 30 years futher down the road. Because rising interest rates would collapse the private economy creating unemployment and a demand for much MORE spending and taxation.

The only way to enforce such levels of totally unfair taxes would be from a taxation infrastructure and population database/police state which would make enforcement inescapable.

This is why ID cards as the ultimate taxation infrastructure and control are intimately linked to houseprice inflation - they are the measure lusted after by the political-economic class who have fostered this boom through government policy in all the bubble countries.

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for once I actually agree with the Clamp.

ID cards are the logical next step to protect the Govt's revenue stream by making sure it knows which slave is where and when.

The step after is chipping of new born babies, like we curently do to pets. :-)

What a frikkin country. :-(

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Australia

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000080&sid=a0frH90idLMo&refer=asia

July 27 (Bloomberg) -- Australian Prime Minister John Howard is considering making citizens carry an identity card to avert terrorist attacks, 20 years after campaigning against such a move on grounds it was an invasion of privacy.

United Kingdom

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4625407.stm

Blair 'confident' over ID cards

United States

ID card: Feds wrong to make states pay for national defense

http://www.lsj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?A...10/1086/opinion

Rising houseprices and the borrowing to create them has been the economy over the past few years, even as normal businesses and productivity has been stuffed with red tape and regulations and sees rising taxes.

Rising interest rates and tighter credit will have to come at some point. When it does come it will create a drop in credit, which may well have a knock on effect - the still overextended from the orgy will cause houseprices to drop, and bad loans to form on the books of banks with rising interest rates in the asset backed derivatives market. 

Obvoiusly a credit crunch which many on here assume as inevitable, would be avoided at all costs. To do this, and continue the spending as real productivity continues to shift away from bubble countries, then - undersuch a a crisis - other than direct inflation - more credit would have to be injected to keep houseprices high and the borrowing and spending continuing.

Any staving off of disaster would have to be raised from taxation 30 years futher down the road. Because rising interest rates would collapse the private economy creating unemployment and a demand for much MORE spending and taxation.

The only way to enforce such levels of totally unfair taxes would be from a taxation infrastructure and population database/police state which would make enforcement inescapable.

This is why ID cards as the ultimate taxation infrastructure and control are intimately linked to houseprice inflation - they are the measure lusted after by the political-economic class who have fostered this boom through government policy in all the bubble countries.

Either you or I have been on the juice because some of the way that was phrased was too wacky for me.

However, I completely agree with your point that ID cards will be used to more tightly control the populace. Whilst instinctively against them, as a law abiding, tax-paying citizen, if it meant that the thousands of people I know who pay bugger all tax were caught and had to pay - that would be great.

I have always thought the government should place the onus on people who pay builders, plumbers, painters, gardeners to report that they have paid them. Something on your tax return like - details of sums greater than £100 paid in cash to others with a dire warning that if a builder gets caught out not paying tax on money you have paid him in cash - then you will be liable for the tax - as well as the builder.

I have always believed tax should be raised on what we spend to avoid the massive and endemic tax avoidance that goes on, on a massive scale, in this country. If all those b@stards that pay bugger all tax paid their fair share, I could pay half of what I pay now.

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This must be the whacky, conspiracy corner.

Soon to be posted......

Conspiracy...... Mo Mowlam and Robin Cook both targeted

for death by Government Agents.

Conspiracy..... The London bombs were placed by Government

Agents.

Conspiracy.........The Twin Towers were blown up by the CIA

the list is endless..

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This must be the whacky, conspiracy corner.

Soon to be posted......

Conspiracy...... Mo Mowlam and Robin Cook both targeted

                      for death by Government Agents.

Conspiracy.....  The London bombs were placed by Government

                        Agents.

Conspiracy.........The Twin Towers were blown up by the CIA

the list is endless..

oh yeh i heard the one about the twin towers, something about fuel pods being seen on the wings of one of the planes or something that couldnt be explained. All footage is supposedly hard to get hold of too...My friend also believed the internet wasnt really and all of you are made up by my computer.

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Cars to be 'chipped' in 5 or 10 years.

They'll charge you by the mile.

Next step, charge you even if you ain't in the car. :-)

The 'congestion charge' is a stark reminder that when technology matures enough to allow new forms of tax, those forms of tax manifest very rapidly.

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This must be the whacky, conspiracy corner.

Soon to be posted......

Conspiracy...... Mo Mowlam and Robin Cook both targeted

                      for death by Government Agents.

Conspiracy.....  The London bombs were placed by Government

                        Agents.

Conspiracy.........The Twin Towers were blown up by the CIA

the list is endless..

Yes.., I agree with the misuse of ID cards.

I also believe that:

Robin Cook and Mo Mowlem were/are being killed by the Government.

The London bombings were placed by MI6.

The Global Elite brought down the Twin Towers to further their agendas for NWO.

That my tea is going cold while I write this.

That I have also run out of biscuits.

There will be a house price crash.

That David Tennent's Dr Who will far supercede that of Eccleston's.

And that Tony Blair is a Reptilian blood-sucking alien.

Edited by uberstuka

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Okay, How about this for starters:

You decide to go and live in a nice cheap part of spain and live of the gold that you hid away over the past 5 years.

You get to the border and you are asked for your passport and chipped ID card.

"Sorry sir but you cant leave as it appears that you owe £20,000 to the Inland Revenue."

"But I havnt been working for the past 2 years".

"Thats right Sir, but the benefits you've been living on are now in the form of a government loan and will be collected when you start work". "Until then you cant leave the country".

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:-)

arf! Jokes aside, ID cards or not, it wont make any difference. The speed at which the technology is improving means that facial / other attribute recognition systems will be all pervasive within a decade.

The expensive bit is already in place - the network of cctv cameras currently being queitly and systematically upgraded.

And wearing a hat probably wont help. They'll recognize you by your gait, shoulder width to stride length metrics or any one of a hundred others.

:-) :-) :-)

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Most people can't even recognise their friends in a crowd with a high degree of reliability, but you think a computer will? 'Facial recognition' systems are a joke, and likely to remain that way.

There was a discussion in another thread yesterday about this old TV show from the 70s:

http://www.action-tv.org.uk/guides/1990.htm

Seems quite prescient to me.

Edited by MarkG

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This must be the whacky, conspiracy corner.

Soon to be posted......

Conspiracy...... Mo Mowlam and Robin Cook both targeted

                      for death by Government Agents.

Conspiracy.....  The London bombs were placed by Government

                        Agents.

Conspiracy.........The Twin Towers were blown up by the CIA

the list is endless..

I might be a wacked out nutjob.

But is this former Banker and economist who predicted the huge bubble, wrong for thinking the same?

http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/Articles/vie...=&ArticleID=292

Do you have any idea what taxes where like after the 1970s binge?

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Mull over this.

The REAL reason for the Health kick/"get fit or else bo11ocks" in these SAME countries is . . . . .

Within a few years those under 40ish will be on the FRONT LINE being used as CANNON FODDER! :o

Edited by erranta

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I used to work in IT, and am amazed at how far recogsys have have come in the last 5 years.

They now work well enough to build a massive production system that is city wide and can read yer frikkin car number plate in the street on a rainy day and cross check to see if u have paid ur congeston charge today.

Built by Capita at t several hundred million cost, and churning in megabucks in monthly revenue, that particular recognition system is probably not 'a joke'.

And in future? Doh..., er '640k should be enough for everyone'... 'a computer will never beat a human at chess'...yada yada yada.

Your lives are becoming increasingly bound up with microprocessors. Take em away today, and the world economy would collapse tomorrow. That binding of our prosperity and comfort is only gonna get tighter.

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If all those b@stards that pay bugger all tax paid their fair share, I could pay half of what I pay now.

You're having a laugh aren't you?

All that will happen is that there will be more tax revenues wasted. You and i will still be paying the same amount (probably more if it continues the way it's going).

Anyone who thinks that if there was 100% compliance on tax then we'd all be paying less is being naive.

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Mull over this.

The REAL reason for the Health kick/"get fit or else bo11ocks" in these SAME countries is . . . . .

Within a few years those under 40ish will be on the FRONT LINE being used as CANNON FODDER!  :o

Always enjoy your work erranta - if it comes to a call-out it seems likely men and women of ages well over 40 would be required to carry matching luggage and dress the same. Don't forget there's a load of jobs to be done in conflict that you don't need to be fit for - indeed the US are passing legislation to call out the disabled!

I've done my stint and it wasn't all that bad. As long as you stay away from the enemy.

Perhaps you should consider developing asthma/a knee problem/ a hernia or apply now to be a Conshy.

Perhaps we'll meet up one day on the parade ground. I'll be the one in green.

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Built by Capita at t several hundred million cost, and churning in megabucks in monthly revenue, that particular recognition system is probably not 'a joke'.

If we were forced to stick number plates on our foreheads, maybe it would work. Reading a number plate that's been deliberately designed to be easy for a computer to read is a vastly simpler task than identifying a face: and, even then, I've heard reports that the 'kengestion charge' staff have to process a lot of images manually because the computers can't read the numbers accurately even then.

Plus, of course, the chavs and crooks just get fake plates... just as, in the brave new ID card era, they'll just get fake cards.

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You do have a number plate on your head.

The distance between your ears relative to the distance between the center of your eyes relative to the distance between your eyebrows and chin identify you fairly uniquely. Other macro biometric relationships also identify you fairly well.

Suppose u could glue ur ears back, stick yer chin out and squint to fool em tho...

edit - if u r interested, try contacting http://www.frvt.org/ for an overview of the current state of the art.

Edited by CrashIsUnderWay

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The distance between your ears relative to the distance between the center of your eyes relative to the distance between your eyebrows and chin identify you fairly uniquely.

One slight problem. It doesn't work.

Go read about the real-world trials of face-recognition software, rather than heavily-controlled laboratory tests...

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OK, can we knock this on the head now? It's hardly germaine to HPC, and I doubt whether anyone else is even reading this.

I don't know whether it currently works or not. I exited that field years ago and no longer have any real active interest in it.

What I do know is that it is of such immense utility that they WILL make it work, sooner rather than later. In much the same way as number plate recognition didnt work 3 years ago outside the lab yet now X zillion motorists a day pay £8 rather than chance the possibility that its all a scam.

OK?

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Brainclamp certainly makes for a lively debate, to be sure. Bit of a nut job? Perhaps. Then again, people who think all that is being put in place by our "leaders" is reasonable with no hidden agendas are probably no closer to a rational persons view of society.

Consider the current government thinking on gaming law.

Blair has asked (a matter of record) US casino operators what relaxations of european gaming rules they'd like. It is also a matter of record that relaxation of anti-money laundering clauses were up for discusion. Specifically, casino attendents don't like having to prove their ID when entering a casino.

But wait a cotton-pickin minute! Should we not be "following the money" to counter terrorism? Would anti-money laundering not be one of the better uses of ID cards?

Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

It also makes you aware just how desperate Blair is to turn Britain to the Las Vegas of the world. Presumably those who can't get jobs as croupiers might consider vacancies at the "Bunny Ranch." What a great and glorious future!

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Many people here think the technology isn't going to work or can be easily faked - thats wrong - it can identify people through space and time and is inescapable.

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http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/jgd1000/afghan.html

There are tax breaks coming which may drive HPI higher. This will reduce the part of the taxation burden that property investors pay.

The people renting will therefore have to pay more tax all other things being equal.

It is my belief that we are on course to see a great division in the social fabric of this country, as it moves to a landlord/tenant economy, and the introduction of ID cards.

In societies which have implemented ID card schemes, as proposed, like South Africa in the 1950s for example, they have been used as a form of inescapable all pervasive economic control over people. The population database proposed goes much further than anything implemented before.

In your HPI crash scenario, it will be viewed as critical by Mr Brown to prevent a credit crunch at all costs; That is - banks having loans on thier books which are bad and prevent them extending credit - in a spiral.

Higher goverment borrowing to inject liquidity and later, taxation from you to pay it back is likely to occur.

All this, long term, is paid back through your taxes, which you may not be too happy with as you would effectively be paying to keep HPI rightly falling from the credit lent to all and sundry pricing you out in a kind of economic slavery!

But it is very likely to happen if the credit system comes under threat from falling HPI.

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Politician, "Now I am right and if all the population would only do what I tell them, everything would be wonderful".

IT salesperson, "Let me tell you all about our new systems".

Politician, "let's talk".

Most of us then get the bill and, albeit slowly at the moment, little bits of our freedoms are chipped away.

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