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What I don’t like on this site: i) illiteracy; ii) bad language; iii) racism; iv) sexism; v) boasting about greed; vi) knocking Britain, or rather England – I do this, but I don’t like seeing it done; vii) dull insults aimed at other members, or at Gordon Brown. I could go on.

What I do like: i) energetic debate; ii) witty posts; iii) piss-taking (despite ii above); iv) personal stories from real people, buyers and sellers, lost in the forest; v) accounts of how it is around the country; vi) expertise; vii) generosity; viii) graphs; ix) historical comparisons; x) theory and anti-theory; xi) satire; xii) some brilliant avatars. Again I could go on.

I’m sixty six, messed up my finances, messed up my marriage, just retired, and I’m looking for a two-up two-down somewhere, probably in Doncaster or thereabouts.

If I hadn’t stumbled on this site I’d have paid twice the going price for something I didn’t want. Housepricecrash saved me from that, for which thanks - and for the great laughs.

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What I don’t like on this site: i) illiteracy; ii) bad language; iii) racism; iv) sexism; v) boasting about greed; vi) knocking Britain, or rather England – I do this, but I don’t like seeing it done; vii) dull insults aimed at other members, or at Gordon Brown. I could go on.

What I do like: i) energetic debate; ii) witty posts; iii) piss-taking (despite ii above); iv) personal stories from real people, buyers and sellers, lost in the forest; v) accounts of how it is around the country; vi) expertise; vii) generosity; viii) graphs; ix) historical comparisons; x) theory and anti-theory; xi) satire; xii) some brilliant avatars. Again I could go on.

I’m sixty six, messed up my finances, messed up my marriage, just retired, and I’m looking for a two-up two-down somewhere, probably in Doncaster or thereabouts.

If I hadn’t stumbled on this site I’d have paid twice the going price for something I didn’t want. Housepricecrash saved me from that, for which thanks - and for the great laughs.

New Labour has messed up this country and it serves you right for messing up in life.

Remember one mans/womans loss is another mans/womans gain.

Have to be pc for all the new labour voter/supporters.

There is no racism here i call it patriotism.

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New Labour has messed up this country and it serves you right for messing up in life.

Remember one mans/womans loss is another mans/womans gain.

Have to be pc for all the new labour voter/supporters.

There is no racism here i call it patriotism.

Er, yes quite. But just so we know where we are here.

Patriotism is a zealous devotion to one’s country. This is healthy and honourable.

Racism or racialism is a belief in the superiority of a particular race leading to prejudice and antagonism towards people of other races, especially those felt as a threat. This is sick and poisonous.

The definitions aren’t my definitions, they’re what the words mean (Oxford English Dictionary).

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Er, yes quite. But just so we know where we are here.

Patriotism is a zealous devotion to one’s country. This is healthy and honourable.

Racism or racialism is a belief in the superiority of a particular race leading to prejudice and antagonism towards people of other races, especially those felt as a threat. This is sick and poisonous.

The definitions aren’t my definitions, they’re what the words mean (Oxford English Dictionary).

The Racist Card gets called far to often,

Most people of my generation see no difference in skin colour,

However we do see difference in culture.

I love my County, but dislike the the levels of immigration seen over the last few years. Not because of race but economics,

They put a strain on the housing supply, not that there is a shortage but doesn't help to keep prices down from over supply

they keep wages down,

They're allowed in because Government knows there are not enough ppl to pay pensions of the Babyboomers.

I'm not taking this OT but don't confuse economic implications of immigration for Racism

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"Patriotism is a zealous devotion to one’s country. This is healthy and honourable."

Why is it healthy and honourable?

To me healthy and honerable is to seek the truth. If our countries politicians are liars or corrupt then it is our duty to point this out. Only the weak and easily led will support their country no matter what. Patriotism would be a poor excuse for going to war dont you think?

One thing I like about this site is that it knocks Britain and its politicians.

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Kam wrote: ‘Don't confuse economic implications of immigration for Racism.’ I heartily agree with this. We shouldn’t confuse economic factors and race – or the other way round.

Sine270: Why is patriotism healthy and honourable? Well it’s natural to love your place (doesn’t mean you can’t criticise it) and natural’s healthy. By honourable I mean it’s not something to be ashamed of.

I’m with you when you say ‘only the weak and easily led will support their country no matter what.’ Patriotism for me isn’t doing what a politician tells you – often the opposite. Keep a wary eye on politicians.

Needle: Thanks for the welcome. Experienced? Well yes, but I hope everybody here's done better than I have when they reach walking stick age.

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The Racist Card gets called far to often,

Most people of my generation see no difference in skin colour,

However we do see difference in culture.

I love my County, but dislike the the levels of immigration seen over the last few years. Not because of race but economics,

They put a strain on the housing supply, not that there is a shortage but doesn't help to keep prices down from over supply

they keep wages down,

They're allowed in because Government knows there are not enough ppl to pay pensions of the Babyboomers.

I'm not taking this OT but don't confuse economic implications of immigration for Racism

As a new Brit (white) I both agree and disagree. I don't think house prices have much to do with immigration personally, but your entitled to your opinion. I too see differences in culture. The expression of racism here (from shop-keepers particularly) is very sophisticated. Now don't get me wrong, I always love to jump a que (cultural difference), but I don't like the frequency with which shop-keepers have pushed my place in the que above that of the only other customer in the shop, which only happens when... how can I put this delicately since were all equal and blind? when that other person is British???

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See this is exactly what I mean, no respect for british culture.

Queue, we Brits Queue for anything, in an orderly and polite manner.

get to the back :)

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Patriotism is a zealous devotion to one’s country. This is healthy and honourable.

B*llocks

Patriotism and following the flag, are the "ring and the chain through the nose by which they enslave you"

These ideals are always instilled in the sheeple as they " blind you and bind you to corrupt political leaders"

The Germans had both these "qualities" in spades in 1939, likewise the Americans blindly followed the flag too Vietnam in the 60's and Iraq today.

You should be driven to defend human values not political idealism.

Edited by Catch22

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B*llocks

Patriotism and  following the flag, are the "ring and the chain through the nose by which they enslave you"

These ideals are always instilled in the sheeple as they " blind you and bind you to corrupt political leaders"

The Germans had both these "qualities" in spades in 1939, likewise the Americans blindly followed the flag too Vietnam in the 60's and Iraq today.

You should be driven to defend human values not political idealism.

Some mess in the head here, Catch22. As your posts are generally good and I read them with interest I’m surprised.

We need to make distinctions.

I’ve never equated being a patriot with nazism or racism or imperialism or military aggression. These creeds may try to claim they’re the same as patriotism but it’s a hypocritical lie. All of them are loathsome to me.

You do equate them, it seems (correct me if I’m wrong). If so you’re the one with the problem.

By the way I’m not impressed by being sworn at.

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I’ve never equated being a patriot with nazism or racism or imperialism or military aggression

Perhaps you're being a little naive? Love for one's own country is often corrupted by political elites into hatred of other countries (and their citizens). Xenophobia and racism flourish where "the other" is demonised.

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Perhaps you're being a little naive? Love for one's own country is often corrupted by political elites into hatred of other countries (and their citizens). Xenophobia and racism flourish where "the other" is demonised.

No, I don’t think I’m naive. I don’t myself mix up patriotism with hating foreigners, being racist, etc. – that’s the point I was making. As you say they’re different things. In any case go back far enough and we’re all foreigners.

I recognise that other people sometimes do mix up patriotism and xenophobia or try to pass the second off as the first, usually for dodgy reasons. I also said that but probably didn’t express it well.

Here’s somebody who put it better 300 years ago (not sure I can make link work):

http://www.blackmask.com/books63c/trueborneng.htm

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By the way I’m not impressed by being sworn at.

First off let’s clear that up, I was not swearing at you the person, but at the statement you made

Some mess in the head here, Catch22. As your posts are generally good and I read them with interest I’m surprised.

Whilst I may think “your” understanding of how the world really ticks is way off, I would not infer you where not right in the head. Makes your, don’t swear at me statement sound like double standards are being applied there. :rolleyes:

We need to make distinctions.

I’ve never equated being a patriot with nazism or racism or imperialism or military aggression. These creeds may try to claim they’re the same as patriotism but it’s a hypocritical lie. All of them are loathsome to me.

You do equate them, it seems (correct me if I’m wrong). If so you’re the one with the problem.

There you go again the last part of the statement lets you down, your so sure I'm wrong and your right, that you insult me......that in a way is how "patriotism " can be manipulated. It to can give you the belief that you are somehow better than the "other" guy.

As to the first part of the last quote of yours, all i will say is this. I thought just like you for the best part of my life, well I would wouldn’t I. As I like everybody else had been “programmed” to think that way virtually from birth. Oh that’s another thing I don’t believe in a god[ but I've had plenty of indoctrination] as religion was the first “mind control” mechanism, but it is fast being overtaken by the “media” Both are forms of mind control, not exactly applied in the same way but used for the same purpose. That being to exert control over how you think, and thereby how you will react when the correct “stimulus” is applied. More commonly know by the terms “brainwashing, propaganda or in today’s world Spin”

Anyway I’m not here to “free your mind” as I’m up against thousands of years of mind control or “how the elite in society control the masses” We have got to “want” to learn the truth as opposed to relying on “being” told the truth. Then we will truly be free thinkers. When we individualy stop searching for the truth we become but slaves to the corrupt within society, both on an national and international scale

The truth is indeed out there all you gotta do is Google.......why not start with the letters PNAC or the "Industrial Military Complex"

Heres a few other quotes for you to be going on with:

To quote Hermann Goering “The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. . . . All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country”

To quote Harry S Truman [1961] “I never would have agreed to the formulation of the Central Intelligence Agency back in '47, if I had known it would become the American Gestapo”

To quote Ramsey Clark [Former US. Attorney General under President Johnson] “The greatest crime since World War II has been U.S. foreign policy “

To quote one of the worlds most renowned Jewish icons, Albert Einstein "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."

Another Einstein Quote "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our time is the

emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the 'Freedom Party', a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was

formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."

And when did he make that statement .....1948. And look were we are today, the world stands on the edge of the abyss.

Anybody see the series "The Power of Nightmares" basically highlights there is an "elitist" need to promote fear and conflict........or to put it in "Sun" parlance...The BOGGY MANS gonna get you......ever notice how it is always the "other guy" who is the terrorist.

Have a nice day ;)

PS: Glad you like reading some of my posts, I also enjoyed reading you opener on this thread. And as for the rest, well that's what debate is all about, understanding where other people are coming from, the internet sure is a wonderous place.

Edited by Catch22

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Catch22, I’m not going to follow you into the subjects of god, mind control, global conspiracies and the rest. I don’t want to.

I accept that you didn’t mean to swear at me personally.

Likewise I take back my remark about your first reply to what I’d written. It wasn’t meant the way you read it but I see how it could have been.

Virtual forums are great, only they’re a bit short on ways of modifying meaning by tone of voice. You can’t have everything I suppose. Emoticons don’t do it for me.

However,

"Have a nice day ;)"

You too.

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Old houses - agree totally with what you say.  I'd like to recommend more people to read this site but can't due to the offence that posts like E Powell's would cause.

While I respect your view that you interpet E Powell's posts as being racist, do you also consider E Powell represents the majority view on here ?

I don't, and I unlike you I would promote this site to like minded people as myself or yourself in this instance. If you give those you see as being racist the street, then you do the fight to keep racism off the street, a dis-service.

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I dont see this forum being racist at all to be honest. Most of the discussion is very educational. Then again, there is a little too much crap wrote on here and I think it should be moderated more if we want to get the message out to more people.

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Old houses - agree totally with what you say.  I'd like to recommend more people to read this site but can't due to the offence that posts like E Powell's would cause.

English Rose, thanks for your post which bucked me up. Glad to see I’m not alone. The site’s great but it sometimes lets itself down, probably because of the anonymity, but I find it very good in lots of ways. If we lost the anonymity we'd lose some of the good things.

The more people who make their views felt the better, in my opinion.

I recommend it to people and let them judge.

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I have no particular problem with what E Powell writes, but I often don't feel comfortable looking at the site at work where people can peer over my shoulder and wonder what on earth I'm reading.

Paranoid, I know - but people do get the wrong idea so easily.

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I personally dont get offended by anything that im aware of, of course if someone whos opinion i respect states that im an idiot i would be offended but thats not what im on about.

Swearing can be one of the most powerful ways of communication, the bluntness, the vulgarity, the shock factor communicates a meaning in a sharp and distinctly eloquent way. Eloquent? did i just use eloquent when refering to swearing, yep i sure did.

I think people take offence to easily and are to quick to make it known.

Dont forget that where swear words are concerned they are only as potent as the power YOU give it.

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