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Fire 'Overpaid' Air Traffic Controllers: Ryanair CEO

Published: Thursday, 21 Jan 2010

By: CNBC.com

Ireland's government should be tougher on striking "overpaid" public workers if it wants to help the country get out of the economic recession, Ryanair CEO Michael O'Leary told CNBC Thursday.

Thousands of passengers were affected as the country's main airports in Dublin, Shannon and Cork were shut because of the strike which lasted four hours.

"The air traffic controllers are simply a bunch of overpaid, underworked public servants but they're typical for the problem in Ireland," O'Leary said.

He said traffic controllers' demands for a pay raise of 6 percent were unreasonable because they earn 160,000 euros a year ($224,000) and inflation is negative.

"Use the bloody law. We should arrest the air traffic controllers or better still, sack them," he said.

"If you don't want to work for 160,000 a year and you want a 6 percent pay increase, go and we'll get some people who will do the job," he added

He cited President Ronald Reagan's firing of striking air traffic controllers in the early 1980s.

"We should do the same thing here, but for that we need politicians with leadership and with spine and sadly, in Ireland we have very few politicians that have either leadership or spines," O'Leary said.

$224,000 a year for pushing tin. Nice work if you can get it. I make that about 5 times the nation average wage - in line with house prices. How strange.

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IMHO they don't earn that much. I remember hearing a story where an ATC was hunted down and murdered because of a mistake they made which contributed to an air disaster. An ATC is responsible for more passengers than a pilot.

Starting salary is £20k rising to £45k according to this site:

http://www.ca.courses-careers.com/articles/airtraffic_controller.htm

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IMHO they don't earn that much. I remember hearing a story where an ATC was hunted down and murdered because of a mistake they made which contributed to an air disaster. An ATC is responsible for more passengers than a pilot.

Starting salary is £20k rising to £45k according to this site:

http://www.ca.courses-careers.com/articles/airtraffic_controller.htm

This seems to be referring to UK ones. Mr O'leary was talking about those in the ROI was he not? Anyway, striking for not getting a 6% pay rise in Euroland were inflation is not higher due to a collapsing currency is totally unreasonable. The airline industry is going through lots of pain, and they have to pay for these salaries.

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he is talking about irish air controllers

who brought countries airports to standstill

the ******* make an insane amount of money and are about to get 6% raise this year, they are striking about change in work practices

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/martina-devlin/martina-devlin-air-traffic-controllers-are-living-in-an-ivory-tower-2024398.html

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/traffic-controllers-to-strike-again-2025580.html

i was at airtraffic control before in shannon, 2 years training (paid 17K euro), then starting of at about 60K up to an average of 160K few years later, ******ing insane, i regret not signing up when they were hiring then :lol:

controllers in busier airports like heathrow get paid half the amounts

and air traffic in ireland fell 13% last year

these tradeunions should be abolished and any strikers fired, enough with this pussyfooting around, the public sector cant hold the country ransom, the ******* already earn 50% more than private sector workers

socialism for ya :angry:

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IIRC Air Traffic control is one of the highest stress jobs in the world.

It's worse than being in combat.

Few controller make it to retirement, most die of heart attacks well before then.

And on top of the stresses of the job dealing with dozens maybe hundreds of planes a day and being responsible for thousands of peoples lives, there is virtually NO-WAY for you to kick back and relax after work.

You can't drink much as you have to be 100% on the ball the next day. You get regular drug and alcohol tests. The shifts work and the effects the stress has on your personality and free time means having a family life is difficult if not impossible.

You can't turn up late, you can't phone in sick, (even if you really are), you can't take a day off because it's snowed and you can't get in or the schools are closed. you can't take toilet breaks whenever you want to. You can't take coffee breaks and talk to collegues.

And to cap it all off, only a tiny percentage of the population are even CAPABLE of doing the job due to it requiring some pretty impressive mental gymnastics and memorising.

And lets be 100% fair here. As someone who fly abroad for holidays, it's one of those jobs where you really REALLY want the person doing it to have 100% dedicated their life to it because if they screw up, you die.

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IIRC Air Traffic control is one of the highest stress jobs in the world.

It's worse than being in combat.

Few controller make it to retirement, most die of heart attacks well before then.

And on top of the stresses of the job dealing with dozens maybe hundreds of planes a day and being responsible for thousands of peoples lives, there is virtually NO-WAY for you to kick back and relax after work.

You can't drink much as you have to be 100% on the ball the next day. You get regular drug and alcohol tests. The shifts work and the effects the stress has on your personality and free time means having a family life is difficult if not impossible.

You can't turn up late, you can't phone in sick, (even if you really are), you can't take a day off because it's snowed and you can't get in or the schools are closed. you can't take toilet breaks whenever you want to. You can't take coffee breaks and talk to collegues.

And to cap it all off, only a tiny percentage of the population are even CAPABLE of doing the job due to it requiring some pretty impressive mental gymnastics and memorising.

And lets be 100% fair here. As someone who fly abroad for holidays, it's one of those jobs where you really REALLY want the person doing it to have 100% dedicated their life to it because if they screw up, you die.

:rolleyes:

so Irish Air traffic controllers

are twice better than the UK ones (well they get paid more than twice)?

while having a lower air traffic than UK

how about you call a spade a spade?

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IIRC Air Traffic control is one of the highest stress jobs in the world.

It's worse than being in combat.

Few controller make it to retirement, most die of heart attacks well before then.

And on top of the stresses of the job dealing with dozens maybe hundreds of planes a day and being responsible for thousands of peoples lives, there is virtually NO-WAY for you to kick back and relax after work.

You can't drink much as you have to be 100% on the ball the next day. You get regular drug and alcohol tests. The shifts work and the effects the stress has on your personality and free time means having a family life is difficult if not impossible.

You can't turn up late, you can't phone in sick, (even if you really are), you can't take a day off because it's snowed and you can't get in or the schools are closed. you can't take toilet breaks whenever you want to. You can't take coffee breaks and talk to collegues.

And to cap it all off, only a tiny percentage of the population are even CAPABLE of doing the job due to it requiring some pretty impressive mental gymnastics and memorising.

And lets be 100% fair here. As someone who fly abroad for holidays, it's one of those jobs where you really REALLY want the person doing it to have 100% dedicated their life to it because if they screw up, you die.

They are working on software which can do the job faster and safer than humans, its due for release next year after testing. I suppose if your going to argue for a pay increase, then you need to do it before your replaced rather than after.

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IIRC Air Traffic control is one of the highest stress jobs in the world.

It's worse than being in combat.

Few controller make it to retirement, most die of heart attacks well before then.

And on top of the stresses of the job dealing with dozens maybe hundreds of planes a day and being responsible for thousands of peoples lives, there is virtually NO-WAY for you to kick back and relax after work.

You can't drink much as you have to be 100% on the ball the next day. You get regular drug and alcohol tests. The shifts work and the effects the stress has on your personality and free time means having a family life is difficult if not impossible.

You can't turn up late, you can't phone in sick, (even if you really are), you can't take a day off because it's snowed and you can't get in or the schools are closed. you can't take toilet breaks whenever you want to. You can't take coffee breaks and talk to collegues.

And to cap it all off, only a tiny percentage of the population are even CAPABLE of doing the job due to it requiring some pretty impressive mental gymnastics and memorising.

And lets be 100% fair here. As someone who fly abroad for holidays, it's one of those jobs where you really REALLY want the person doing it to have 100% dedicated their life to it because if they screw up, you die.

What a complete load of nosh.

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Nothing compared to the Spanish ones, of course.

Of 2,300 controllers, ten were paid between €810,000 (£725,000) and €900,000 last year. A further 226 were paid between €450,000 and €540,000 and 701 were paid between €270,000 and €360,000.

The average basic salary is €200,000 but most double or triple this amount by working overtime.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6991798.ece

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They are working on software which can do the job faster and safer than humans, its due for release next year after testing. I suppose if your going to argue for a pay increase, then you need to do it before your replaced rather than after.

It's actually a very good example of a job that would be best done by computer.

It's just that until recently the voive recognition of a miriad of accents over a crackly radio didn't work.

Once you have the voice recognition problem sovled, the rest is just a very simple set of computer rules.

the hard part of the job is keeping track in your head of everything that is happening and not missing or forgetting anything... something computers are very good at.

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IMHO they don't earn that much.  I remember hearing a story where an ATC was hunted down and murdered because of a mistake they made which contributed to an air disaster.  An ATC is responsible for more passengers than a pilot.

Nasty. Got any more detail on that? I wonder how they knew who to blame.

Sounds like the sort of job which needs to be reasonably well payed but no need to go OTT with the pay.

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IIRC Air Traffic control is one of the highest stress jobs in the world.

It's worse than being in combat.

Few controller make it to retirement, most die of heart attacks well before then.

And on top of the stresses of the job dealing with dozens maybe hundreds of planes a day and being responsible for thousands of peoples lives, there is virtually NO-WAY for you to kick back and relax after work.

You can't drink much as you have to be 100% on the ball the next day. You get regular drug and alcohol tests. The shifts work and the effects the stress has on your personality and free time means having a family life is difficult if not impossible.

You can't turn up late, you can't phone in sick, (even if you really are), you can't take a day off because it's snowed and you can't get in or the schools are closed. you can't take toilet breaks whenever you want to. You can't take coffee breaks and talk to collegues.

And to cap it all off, only a tiny percentage of the population are even CAPABLE of doing the job due to it requiring some pretty impressive mental gymnastics and memorising.

And lets be 100% fair here. As someone who fly abroad for holidays, it's one of those jobs where you really REALLY want the person doing it to have 100% dedicated their life to it because if they screw up, you die.

Hear hear.

I used to work in the industry, and of ALL the people you want to be paying attention, at ALL times, these are the folks.

Only a total and utter **** like O'Leary could come out with drivel like this. Oh, or maybe the [email protected]

If the two of them dropped dead tomorrow barely a soul would notice, and only a handful more would care; in the case of the furry one, mostly a scraping of sycophantic, otherwise-barely-employable nobodies, and maybe a few trolley dollies who thought they'd got lucky.

No way could you say the same for ATC operators, who handle - literally - life and death every day at their fingertips, and are paid a mere fraction of these gobby tos$ers.

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It's actually a very good example of a job that would be best done by computer.

Ummm, yes and no. Routine ATC would be pretty easy, I agree. Have some basic rules about separation and have canned messages to the pilots. So far so good. It would be the exceptions that would stuff it up - like a pilot doing something wrong, or bad data, or an accident. Who would have coded the double bird strike at New York? I can see it now "You look like you are trying to land in the Hudson River. Are you sure?".

On the pay, well, £160K seems a little steep, but I would generally be on the side of caution here - I really don't want YTS chimps manning the radar.

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Yes, the Uberlingen disaster.. SkyGuide (Swiss Air Traffic Control) were at fault for allowing a single air traffic controller responsible for the while air space that night, whilst systems were either not working and/or out of operation. Sad all round really.

This article is about the murderer.. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3666274.ece

Here's a google video of Air Accident Investigation, which looks at the incident..

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=7025897569830845243&ei=9e1YS8m8G5HR-AbE3aWBBw&q=uberlingen+accident&view=3&dur=3#

I remember that night very well. I was in Salou/Reus that night, flying back to Bristol. Thats where the Russian kids were going to land that evening. We also stopped at the very hotel earlier that day where the kids were going to stay, in order to pick up passengers on the way to the airport. Weird.

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Hear hear.

I used to work in the industry, and of ALL the people you want to be paying attention, at ALL times, these are the folks.

I applied to NATS 5 years ago and got declined after the second meeting, I do know an ATC though, he is phenominally good at the game Defcon 'everybody dies' he always manages to inflict mass casulties on me and performing an uber attack via bombers, subs, and silos while I am can only inflict a few million on him.

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IIRC Air Traffic control is one of the highest stress jobs in the world.

It's worse than being in combat.

Few controller make it to retirement, most die of heart attacks well before then.

And on top of the stresses of the job dealing with dozens maybe hundreds of planes a day and being responsible for thousands of peoples lives, there is virtually NO-WAY for you to kick back and relax after work.

You can't drink much as you have to be 100% on the ball the next day. You get regular drug and alcohol tests. The shifts work and the effects the stress has on your personality and free time means having a family life is difficult if not impossible.

You can't turn up late, you can't phone in sick, (even if you really are), you can't take a day off because it's snowed and you can't get in or the schools are closed. you can't take toilet breaks whenever you want to. You can't take coffee breaks and talk to collegues.

And to cap it all off, only a tiny percentage of the population are even CAPABLE of doing the job due to it requiring some pretty impressive mental gymnastics and memorising.

And lets be 100% fair here. As someone who fly abroad for holidays, it's one of those jobs where you really REALLY want the person doing it to have 100% dedicated their life to it because if they screw up, you die.

I can't believe someone would sell their soul for such little money. No, I'm not being sarcastic.

That said, those are the terms which go with that job, and they knew them when they took that job, so I don't really see how the strike can be justified, unless they've had enough of Y-O-Y below inflation payrises.

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