Maggie Thatchers Success

[cock-eyed octopus]

Yes, you're dead right, Doggie boy, - those early 1970's TORY years were pretty awful.  Thanks for reminding us all of what the TORIES were responsible for.  We need to remember

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You do indeed need to remember.

Thatcher became prime minister in 1979.

The previous decade of Labour government ensured that there would never be another of that ilk.

Please check your dates before posting.

[Guest growl]

Maggie rescued the 'sick man of europe' and set him on course to become the worlds 4th biggest economy.

Sure you made mistakes, but without her vision and drive we may have remained a nation of 3 day weeks, mass strikes, huge inefficient nationalised monsters that existed entirely on gobbled up public funds (british steel, leyland, british airways etc), abd spiraling national debt.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I couldn't have put it better myself. Only to add that our economy was in peak condition when the Labour lot took over, and look what's happening again. The tories failure was to elect that cretin Major 'I am a ordinary man with ordinary tastes but I do like a bit of Currie in the evening'. Their failure ever since has been to elect more cretins, that are only reactionary. :angry:

[Immigrant]

It seems people now have to get off their butts & go out & work to get a place to live.

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If only...

[patprimer74]

Please check your dates before posting.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Don't be a cretin. Who the hell d'you think was in power in the early 70's? The Tories were. Three day weeks. Massive strikes. Nationalisation of failing industries. You name it, we had it.

The apology that you're about to make is accepted. Saves time.

p

[cock-eyed octopus]

Don't be a cretin.  Who the hell d'you think was in power in the early 70's?  The Tories were.  Three day weeks.  Massive strikes.  Nationalisation of failing industries.  You name it, we had it.

The apology that you're about to make is accepted.  Saves time.

p

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Meanwhile, back on planet Earth ...

Weirder & weirder & weirder

[cock-eyed octopus]

I'd forgotten about Ted Teeth. I thought this thread was about Thatcher?

Minfd you, the 3-day week, perma-atrikes etc. I regard as a consequence of the Unions attempting to run the country coupled with the crass stupidity of said Edward. So I regard the TORIES being in power as purely nominal; Maggie's rise was the consequence of a process that began with Harold wilson.

[patprimer74]

Meanwhile, back on planet Earth ...

Weirder & weirder & weirder

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Weird indeed!

19 June 1970 - 4 March 1974 Tory Government

4 Feb 1971 - Nationalisation of Rolls-Royce announced by Tory Government

28 Feb 1972 - Upper Clyde Shipbuilders given £35m aid by Tory Government

(1 Jan 1973 - Britain acceded to the European Community by Tory Government)

13 Dec 1973 - Three Day Week announced by Tory Governemnt

Meanwhile, millions of days lost due to strike action during Tory Government.

Get your teacher to read these words to you. Then try to memorise just the gist.

Weird, aye!

p

[Milkshock]

Maggie rescued the 'sick man of europe' and set him on course to become the worlds 4th biggest economy.

Sure you made mistakes, but without her vision and drive we may have remained a nation of 3 day weeks, mass strikes, huge inefficient nationalised monsters that existed entirely on gobbled up public funds (british steel, leyland, british airways etc), abd spiraling national debt.

All of u have much to thank Maggie for you ungrateful sods

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lol dogbox dont you remember the first Tory government under Maggie - 1979-1983 - she was at the helm of one of the most brutal recessionary periods the UK has known. Mass unemployment and virtually no productivity .

Only when she did a Brown and liberalised credit in order to get re-elected in 1987 was there any true growth. And that had to be curbed due to rampant inflation.

The reality of Maggie's term in office was that she was a principled politician whose principles failed her. She engineered a short term, inflationary economic recovery while ultimately failing on the very anti-inflationary platform that she advocated. Ultimately she was punished for that.

Edited August 6, 2005 by Milkshock

[Guest growl]

Weird indeed!

19 June 1970 - 4 March 1974                                        Tory Government

4 Feb 1971 - Nationalisation of Rolls-Royce announced by Tory Government

28 Feb 1972 - Upper Clyde Shipbuilders given £35m aid by Tory Government

(1 Jan 1973 - Britain acceded to the European Community by Tory Government)

13 Dec 1973 - Three Day Week announced                    by Tory Governemnt

Meanwhile, millions of days lost due to strike action during Tory Government.

Get your teacher to read these words to you.  Then try to memorise just the gist.

Weird, aye!

p

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That is weird. As a Tory I find your history lesson very interesting. Just doesn't sound like the kind of stuff a Tory government would do. But don't get me wrong I do believe you. Just didn't remember it as I was in nursery and living abroad. But what a weak Tory Ted Heath must have been. Not at all like our Maggie. No wonder he wasn't in power long.

[Milkshock]

That is weird. As a Tory I find your history lesson very interesting. Just doesn't sound like the kind of stuff a Tory government would do. But don't get me wrong I do believe you. Just didn't remember it as I was in nursery and living abroad. But what a weak Tory Ted Heath must have been. Not at all like our Maggie. No wonder he wasn't in power long.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

it was all part of the post-war consensus which Maggie broke up when she came to power. Maggie has to be seen in a very different light to previous Tory leaders. No more successful than any of them. As I stated above, her principles failed her in the end.

Edited August 6, 2005 by Milkshock

[DTMark]

lol dogbox dont you remember the first Tory government under Maggie - 1979-1983 - she was at the helm of one of the most brutal recessionary periods the UK has known. Mass unemployment and virtually no productivity .

Only when she did a Brown and liberalised credit in order to get re-elected in 1987 was there any true growth. And that had to be curbed due to rampant inflation.

The reality of Maggie's term in office was that she was a principled politician whose principles failed her. She engineered a short term, inflationary economic recovery while ultimately failing on the very anti-inflationary platform that she advocated. Ultimately she was punished for that.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I recall that much of the feelgood factor sloshing around at the end of the 80s/early 90s was down to the sell-off of the assets and services the population had worked hard to build and owned, to private industry.

Now, with trains in an absolute shambles year after year, "energy companies" having to be given Government loans to stay afloat, the shambles that is broadband in this Country where you might just about get a 2MB connection if you're lucky, the farce that is BT - effectively, a privatised monopoly, and so forth, I think we're all still being punished for that.

[Milkshock]

I recall that much of the feelgood factor sloshing around at the end of the 80s/early 90s was down to the sell-off of the assets and services the population had worked hard to build and owned, to private industry.

Now, with trains in an absolute shambles year after year, "energy companies" having to be given Government loans to stay afloat, the shambles that is broadband in this Country where you might just about get a 2MB connection if you're lucky, the farce that is BT - effectively, a privatised monopoly, and so forth, I think we're all still being punished for that.

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exactly, it all sounded good at the time, but it was short term thinking, the results of which we are suffering with now.

although i disagree there was a feelgood factor floating around late 80s early 90s!

A lot of the early entrants into the asset ownership game were seething at having been shafted by the recession!

Edited August 6, 2005 by Milkshock

[patprimer74]

That is weird. As a Tory I find your history lesson very interesting. Just doesn't sound like the kind of stuff a Tory government would do. But don't get me wrong I do believe you. Just didn't remember it as I was in nursery and living abroad. But what a weak Tory Ted Heath must have been. Not at all like our Maggie. No wonder he wasn't in power long.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Glad that you acept that it's true, because it is! And plenty more.

I don't remember Mad Maggie resigning from her ministerial post under Ted Heath, though. Strange that.

p

[No6]

It seems people now have to get off their butts & go out & work to get a place to live. An absolute success story then as this has contributed enormously to the regeneration of Britain that's taken place over thelast 20 years. No longer is it an island of contented council tenants with pockets of OO's between them, it is now an island where people are striving to succeed (housing being just a part of that).

That striving process is what's created the boom IMO.

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You are so funny at times. Try telling all those FTB's who have worked their butts off, saved deposits, done everything that the Thatcher revolution preached and yet can't afford a decent home in this country. Still, that leaves more of them to line the pockets of the new Thatcher/Blair landed gentry class like you.

[frugalista]

The previous decade of Labour government ensured that there would never be another of that ilk.

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The three day week was 7 January 1974 to 7 March 1974, during the last months of the 1970-74 Conservative administration.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/release...yo/politics.htm

Please check your dates before posting.

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Oh dear oh dear oh dear, where do you get your historical facts from, a man down the pub?

frugalista

[cock-eyed octopus]

The three day week was 7 January 1974 to 7 March 1974, during the last months of the 1970-74 Conservative administration.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/release...yo/politics.htm

Oh dear oh dear oh dear, where do you get your historical facts from, a man down the pub?

frugalista

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Yes, as I said before, I'd forgotten about Heath's attempt at government. However, I would maintain that it was the previous decade that led to Thatcher, as the Unions had so much power it is difficult to say who was running the country.

In the 60's I was left-wing, but the behaviour of the Labour party & their acolytes disgusted me. Too much like Orwell's "Animal Farm".

[laurejon]

I must say I too thought that labour were in power in the 70's.

But then I remembered they were in power via the Unions. Remember the days?. Did not matter which party were in power the Unions held the country to ransom on each and every occasion. Thatcher killed them off, and Blair has continued with the trend.

Interesting I found this.

How very true, and somewhat telling. Blair is indeed the son of the Devil with the blood of many thousands of women and children on his hands.

Shame we did not listen at the time to what we were being told.

[Milkshock]

I must say I too thought that labour were in power in the 70's.

But then I remembered they were in power via the Unions. Remember the days?. Did not matter which party were in power the Unions held the country to ransom on each and every occasion. Thatcher killed them off, and Blair has continued with the trend.

Interesting I found this.

How very true, and somewhat telling. Blair is indeed the son of the Devil with the blood of many thousands of women and children on his hands.

Shame we did not listen at the time to what we were being told.

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no, the unions held big business to ransom and secured pay rises in line with inflation for the mass of workers.

unlike now, where the rich cream off whatever they want, while holding down pay awards for employees and outsourcing "working-class" jobs off-shore.

yeah, things really have got better since the 70s havent they

[Guest Charlie The Tramp]

no, the unions held big business to ransom and secured pay rises in line with inflation for the mass of workers.

All those Prices and Income Policies and freezes.

Funny that, prices still went up massively, inflation was high, but wages were frozen. That`s why there was industrial unrest, workers were taking annual pay cuts. In my old industry we were signing 3 year pay deals of 3% annually, with inflation averaging 20%. One year I got a £2 pay rise a week and my additional expenses had increased by £6 per week. :angry:

Having said that they were great times.

BTW, TTRTR this was a great country until the thousands of Aussie back packers were allowed in to take over Earls Court.

Edited August 6, 2005 by Charlie The Tramp

[laurejon]

The conservatives struck the right balance with the Unions and like most things Labour they have taken it to excess.

When it comes to the workplace I speak for myself, I dont need someone with alternative agenda's speaking for me.

I think we should be aware that the Unions on the whole support the ideal of their Indian Brothers having British Jobs its part of the Socialist Partnership Blair doesnt like to talk about. Take a look at the members of the Fabian Society, their goals and how they are to achieve it and you will not be suprised to find them all sitting in Office along with Tony Blair.

The Unions with Labour actually bankrupted the country and we had to go to the IMF for a handout, that was after they realised they could not continue to fleece the taxpayer with ridiculous rates of income tax and property tax.

I would love the ideology that we all get 1M a year working on a car production line, or digging coal, live in Mayfair and drive Aston Martins with the Kids at Eton. But that is not realistic, and is certainly not achieviable.

I do not subscribe to the idea we are all equal in the workplace, salary should be payed on the individuals merits, not the position or the time served.

Mass wage claims should be abolished in the Public Sector to start with, not everyone is equal and not everyone is worth the same. Some people in this world go the extra mile, others are happy to go with the flow, others are happy to hitch a ride.

[Milkshock]

All those Prices and Income Policies and freezes.

Funny that, prices still went up massively, inflation was high, but wages were frozen. That`s why there was industrial unrest, workers were taking annual pay cuts.  In my old industry we were signing 3 year pay deals of 3% annually. with inflation averaging 20%. One year I got a £2 pay rise a week and my additional expenses had increased by £6 per week. :angry:

Having said that they were great times. 

BTW, TTRTR this was a great country until the thousands of Aussie back packers were allowed in to take over Earls Court. 

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ok so now inflation is lied about plus workers cannot strike because they dont have the unions to protect them - and strike they would if they were mobilised and informed about the lies this governement tells them to keep them quiet.

things have gone backwards, the average worker is not now as likely to question what goes on around him, thanks to the destruction of the unions they will take jobs with no protection, few benefits and certainly without enough renumeration to enable them to stand on their own 2 feet in the longer term.

Edited August 6, 2005 by Milkshock

[Guest growl]

Glad that you acept that it's true, because it is!  And plenty more.

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Well excuse me for voicing an opinion.

[cock-eyed octopus]

ok so now inflation is lied about plus workers cannot strike because they dont have the unions to protect them - and strike they would if they were mobilised and informed about the lies this governement tells them to keep them quiet.

things have gone backwards, the average worker is not now as likely to question what goes on around him, thanks to the destruction of the unions they will take jobs with no protection, few benefits and certainly without enough renumeration to enable them to stand on their own 2 feet in the longer term.

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How old were you in the 70s? The unions didn't operate like that at all. Each union was intent in screwing as much money out of their employers as possible - because that is what their members wanted. Morality didn't come into it. Mind you, a lot of union leaders hoped to destroy the "capitalist system" in the process.

A rich man is a poor man with money. No better, no worse.

[laurejon]

I dont agree with offshoring however that is the responsibility of the Government not business. Business is charged with keeping the shareholders happy who in turn reward the execs with a bonus.

Business has its hands tied, it has no moral mandate it is a loose cannon that must be regulated on subjects of national interest.

Look at France, the US wants to buy its larges provider of food and the Government step in and say NON saving the company face and thousands of French Jobs.

Government is elected to serve the people not business, business leaders are a microscopic portion of the electorate the government pay them far too much homage and assign far too much power into their hands.

Government is well placed to look after national interests and those interests are Jobs, Tax Revenue, and investment without which we are doomed. Therefore it is the Governments responsibility to say to Business Global and Local,

"You want to tap into our consumers? who are our electorate. Then you must put something back there are plenty of other businesses prepared to take you place."

[Time to raise the rents.]

BTW, TTRTR this was a great country until the thousands of Aussie back packers were allowed in to take over Earls Court. 

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I think Earls Court has been taken over by Europeans and the Aussies have largely moved out to cheaper locations.