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I'm encouraged to see that the government have finally turned their attention to public sector pay. These rip off salaries have been going on for far too long.

Crack down

Golden Trough Award

County Treasurer

Employer: HAMPSHIRE COUNTY COUNCIL

Industry:Finance - Accountancy

Finance - Public sector

Government - Local government

Senior executive - Government

Contract: Permanent Hours: Full Time

Salary: Up to £160k, plus benefits

Silver Trough Award

Executive Director

Employer: SOUTHAMPTON CITY COUNCIL

Industry:Government - Local government

Senior executive - Government

Social care - Older people

Contract: Permanent Hours: Full Time

Salary: Up to £130k plus relocation

Other Tax Abusers

Chief Fire Officer/ Chief Executive, Hereford and Worcester Fire and Rescue Service

Employer: WORCESTERSHIRE COUNTY COUNCIL

Industry: Government - Fire

Contract: Permanent Hours: Full Time

Salary: £121,254 plus £6,000 car allowance

Director of Children and Young People's Services

Employer: NORTH SOMERSET COUNCIL

Industry:Government - Local government

Senior executive - Government

Social care - Children

Social care - Adolescents

Contract: Permanent Hours: Full Time

Salary: Up to £120,000 p.a.

Executive Director (Adult Social Services)

Employer: ROCHDALE METROPOLITAN BOROUGH COUNCIL

Industry:Government - Local government

Senior executive - Government

Social care - Adults

Social care - Senior management

Contract: Permanent Hours: Full Time

Salary: Salary up to £120,000

Strategic Director Adult Services, Health & Housing Strategic Director Children & Young People

Employer: DERBY CITY COUNCIL

Industry:Government - Local government

Senior executive - Health

Social care - Children

Social care - Older people

Social care - Adolescents

Contract: Permanent Hours: Full Time

Salary: To £118,000

HEAD OF SERVICE (Corporate Services)

Employer: OLYMPIC PARK LEGACY COMPANY

Industry:Government - Local government

Senior executive - Government

Contract: Permanent Hours: Full Time

Salary: £94k - £111k

Assistant to the Chief Executive

Employer: HAMPSHIRE COUNTY COUNCIL

Industry:Government - Local government

Senior executive - Government

Senior executive - Public sector

Contract: Permanent Hours: Full Time

Salary: Up to £110k, plus benefits

Divisional Director Learning and Skills

Employer: LONDON BOROUGH OF NEWHAM

Industry:Government - Local government

Senior executive - Government

Social care - Children

Contract: Permanent Hours: Full Time

Salary: Up to £110k

Director of Finance and Commercial Development

Employer: NHS BEDFORDSHIRE

Industry:Finance - Accountancy

Finance - Public sector

Health - Public health

Senior executive - Public sector

Contract: Permanent Hours: Full Time

Salary: £105,000 + benefits

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I'm encouraged to see that the government have finally turned their attention to public sector pay. These rip off salaries have been going on for far too long.

Crack down

Golden Trough Award

County Treasurer

Employer: HAMPSHIRE COUNTY COUNCIL

Industry:Finance - Accountancy

Finance - Public sector

Government - Local government

Senior executive - Government

Contract: Permanent Hours: Full Time

Salary: Up to £160k, plus benefits

Silver Trough Award

Executive Director

Employer: SOUTHAMPTON CITY COUNCIL

Industry:Government - Local government

Senior executive - Government

Social care - Older people

Contract: Permanent Hours: Full Time

Salary: Up to £130k plus relocation

Other Tax Abusers

Chief Fire Officer/ Chief Executive, Hereford and Worcester Fire and Rescue Service

Employer: WORCESTERSHIRE COUNTY COUNCIL

Industry: Government - Fire

Contract: Permanent Hours: Full Time

Salary: £121,254 plus £6,000 car allowance

Director of Children and Young People's Services

Employer: NORTH SOMERSET COUNCIL

Industry:Government - Local government

Senior executive - Government

Social care - Children

Social care - Adolescents

Contract: Permanent Hours: Full Time

Salary: Up to £120,000 p.a.

Executive Director (Adult Social Services)

Employer: ROCHDALE METROPOLITAN BOROUGH COUNCIL

Industry:Government - Local government

Senior executive - Government

Social care - Adults

Social care - Senior management

Contract: Permanent Hours: Full Time

Salary: Salary up to £120,000

Strategic Director Adult Services, Health & Housing Strategic Director Children & Young People

Employer: DERBY CITY COUNCIL

Industry:Government - Local government

Senior executive - Health

Social care - Children

Social care - Older people

Social care - Adolescents

Contract: Permanent Hours: Full Time

Salary: To £118,000

HEAD OF SERVICE (Corporate Services)

Employer: OLYMPIC PARK LEGACY COMPANY

Industry:Government - Local government

Senior executive - Government

Contract: Permanent Hours: Full Time

Salary: £94k - £111k

Assistant to the Chief Executive

Employer: HAMPSHIRE COUNTY COUNCIL

Industry:Government - Local government

Senior executive - Government

Senior executive - Public sector

Contract: Permanent Hours: Full Time

Salary: Up to £110k, plus benefits

Divisional Director Learning and Skills

Employer: LONDON BOROUGH OF NEWHAM

Industry:Government - Local government

Senior executive - Government

Social care - Children

Contract: Permanent Hours: Full Time

Salary: Up to £110k

Director of Finance and Commercial Development

Employer: NHS BEDFORDSHIRE

Industry:Finance - Accountancy

Finance - Public sector

Health - Public health

Senior executive - Public sector

Contract: Permanent Hours: Full Time

Salary: £105,000 + benefits

But how do you expect them to recruit people of high enough calibre who are willing to take on the accountability of a multi million pound budget unless they pay high salaries....?

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But how do you expect them to recruit people of high enough calibre who are willing to take on the accountability of a multi million pound budget unless they pay high salaries....?

EXTERMINATE

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Thanks Dog (sound like one of thos hip-hop dudes)

I very much doubt that Rochdale generates this much income in a year

Executive Director (Adult Social Services)

Employer: ROCHDALE METROPOLITAN BOROUGH COUNCIL

Industry:Government - Local government

Senior executive - Government

Social care - Adults

Social care - Senior management

Contract: Permanent Hours: Full Time

Salary: Salary up to £120,000

I work for a multi billion multinational and that level of salary is not even on the payscale grade 16 is the top one at ~ £75-85K. (Although I know they exist ;) )

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Thanks Dog (sound like one of thos hip-hop dudes)

I very much doubt that Rochdale generates this much income in a year

I work for a multi billion multinational and that level of salary is not even on the payscale grade 16 is the top one at ~ £75-85K. (Although I know they exist ;) )

How DO you get rid of these "accountable" highly paid "execs".

The Chief of Basildon hospital didnt have the gumption or the time to visit the casualty ward where serious health issues were found on a surprise inspection, even though he could have gone through casualty every time he entered or left the building.....it is adjacent to the main entrance.

If I was CEO of a hospital...Id be doing the "rounds" and seeing for myself...these people think that ticking the right boxes is the right thing to do,

The Sailors of the ships in my above link have to get things right...ticking a box doesnt keep a ship on track, or a potential oil spill from happening.

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But how do you expect them to recruit people of high enough calibre who are willing to take on the accountability of a multi million pound budget unless they pay high salaries....?

From my experience there is very little in industry that matches these salaries, and where they do they are VP, CEO salaries.

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How DO you get rid of these "accountable" highly paid "execs".

The Chief of Basildon hospital didnt have the gumption or the time to visit the casualty ward where serious health issues were found on a surprise inspection, even though he could have gone through casualty every time he entered or left the building.....it is adjacent to the main entrance.

If I was CEO of a hospital...Id be doing the "rounds" and seeing for myself...these people think that ticking the right boxes is the right thing to do,

The Sailors of the ships in my above link have to get things right...ticking a box doesnt keep a ship on track, or a potential oil spill from happening.

The difference is these 'executive ' public servants are no more that party apparatchiks. They are as partisan as the old communists of the USSR, they just don't know it. They do not fully realise they work not for the state but for the labour party. Ticking boxes, hitting quotas and making action lists is all they know.

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Remember the real cost to the tax payer for someone earning 100K in government is only about 66K.

Whereas to a private company the cost is 113K due to extra employer NICs.

So the taxpayer gets these guys for effectively half price!

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Remember the real cost to the tax payer for someone earning 100K in government is only about 66K.

Whereas to a private company the cost is 113K due to extra employer NICs.

So the taxpayer gets these guys for effectively half price!

beggy pardon?

Tax collected goes to Inland Revenue or whatever the Dept is called now.

the Dept has paid out the salary from TAx and borrowing.

His recollected tax goes into the pool for respending.....not back to his department.

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beggy pardon?

Tax collected goes to Inland Revenue or whatever the Dept is called now.

the Dept has paid out the salary from TAx and borrowing.

His recollected tax goes into the pool for respending.....not back to his department.

Semantics.

You can pretend it goes into a central pot or you can pretend it goes back to his dept.

It's the same either way.

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Semantics.

You can pretend it goes into a central pot or you can pretend it goes back to his dept.

It's the same either way.

no, its not the same... the department will have a budget for the spend.

so if NHS has Doctor A on 100K...they will spend that.

Next year, the tax take as a whole will decide if the 100K is available or not...if not, then borrowing takes place if they want the doctor back.

If they dont want him, the budget is reduced and the borrowing required adjusted.

Whatever happens, the 100K comes from somewhere. just as you cant elevate by tugging onyour bootstraps, the department cant pay for anything without the tax take...and tax take comes ALL from wealth creation.

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no, its not the same... the department will have a budget for the spend.

so if NHS has Doctor A on 100K...they will spend that.

Next year, the tax take as a whole will decide if the 100K is available or not...if not, then borrowing takes place if they want the doctor back.

If they dont want him, the budget is reduced and the borrowing required adjusted.

Whatever happens, the 100K comes from somewhere. just as you cant elevate by tugging onyour bootstraps, the department cant pay for anything without the tax take...and tax take comes ALL from wealth creation.

No it doesn't. That's your first mistake.

I have £100,000.

I pay 5 employees £20,000 each.

Each one pays 'tax' of £4000.

I use that to employ a sixth worker.

So what I really have is £120,000.

That's how accountancy in the public sector works.

Yes, the original £100,000 came from the private sector tax take but the 'tax' the public sector workers pay 'increases' the amount of money available to pay the staff.

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No it doesn't. That's your first mistake.

I have £100,000.

I pay 5 employees £20,000 each.

Each one pays 'tax' of £4000.

I use that to employ a sixth worker.

So what I really have is £120,000.

That's how accountancy in the public sector works.

Yes, the original £100,000 came from the private sector tax take but the 'tax' the public sector workers pay 'increases' the amount of money available to pay the staff.

no. you pay the inland revenue.

otherwise, government would be missing the revenue from the public sector. the public sector workers wouldnt be getting their NI contris up.

and no, you dont have £100,000.

you have a budget which you have submitted and had approved the year before. Revenue is allocated to the pool and your authority recieves it from central government.

I saw this on my payslip every month for years as a public sector worker.

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no. you pay the inland revenue.

And they then split it up and send it to departments. In my example I just cut out the middleman.

otherwise, government would be missing the revenue from the public sector. the public sector workers wouldnt be getting their NI contris up.

Why?

I send money to Revenue and they send it to the State and the State sends it back to me to pay my staff. What's hard about that?

and no, you dont have £100,000.

Yes I do. It's my staffing costs. Besides, it was an illustration. Not real.

The 'tax' my employees pay might not come back to me but it'll pay someone else's £20,000 salary elsewhere.

you have a budget which you have submitted and had approved the year before. Revenue is allocated to the pool and your authority recieves it from central government.

So?

I saw this on my payslip every month for years as a public sector worker.

Sounds like your payslips had a lot more information on them than mine.

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But how do you expect them to recruit people of high enough calibre who are willing to take on the accountability of a multi million pound budget unless they pay high salaries....?

What's difficult about running a branch of care homes in some obscure County and getting £130k pa for the privilege?

I know many people who could do that job for less than half the salary. In ordinary times it would be a joke, in a recession it's just repugnant and obscene!

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What's difficult about running a branch of care homes in some obscure County and getting £130k pa for the privilege?

I know many people who could do that job for less than half the salary. In ordinary times it would be a joke, in a recession it's just repugnant and obscene!

But surely £130k is what the market demands... And the market is ALWAYS right.....

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But surely £130k is what the market demands... And the market is ALWAYS right.....

Are you serious? It's not a market, it's a budget spend. Many salaries in the Public Sector have overtaken what the market demands as you put it.

What market are you refering to?

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And they then split it up and send it to departments. In my example I just cut out the middleman.

Why?

I send money to Revenue and they send it to the State and the State sends it back to me to pay my staff. What's hard about that?

Yes I do. It's my staffing costs. Besides, it was an illustration. Not real.

The 'tax' my employees pay might not come back to me but it'll pay someone else's £20,000 salary elsewhere.

So?

Sounds like your payslips had a lot more information on them than mine.

thats right, It doesnt come back to you...its revenue for the government.

Otherwise, it would be spent in the economy.

and my payslip showed my tax, my NI and anything else I got....and its recorded in the Tax department...they have received the money.

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The fact is that if the state wants to employ an additional 1 million workers at 100K each, it only needs to raise the equivalent of 66K for each worker.

That is how much the existing tax payers needs to fork out for each of those employees.

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The fact is that if the state wants to employ an additional 1 million workers at 100K each, it only needs to raise the equivalent of 66K for each worker.

That is how much the existing tax payers needs to fork out for each of those employees.

no, it has to fork out 100K...plus NI and so on.

Imagine the beaurocracy in trying to back work budgets for staff all on different tax codes, pay rates and tax credits.

They dont, they budget the full wage cost.

If they did it your way they would be losing 34k of revenue for each worker, so next years cutbacks would be very severe indeed,

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