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I've often wondered what advice we should give Generation Y. Trouble is that society changes and advice that is useful for one generation may not be any use for the next. Hence the reason why I do the exact opposite of what my baby boomer parents tell me (i.e. saddle yourself with debt to buy a slave box and waste your life commuting two hours to London until poor health forces you to retire and you die wondering what the point of it all was)

There are some constants in life though. Like staying away from debt. There will also always be a need for people with practical skills, such as plumbing or being a brickie. Or get some specialist skills that will allow you to leave the country. That's the one thing that I have going for me.

Whether you want to emigrate or not depends upon what ties you have to this country. It's a lot easier to do this in your 20's before you get a family, mortgage an extensive set of friends and start worrying about job security. Funnily enough I am in my mid 30's and still don't have a family, mortgage or extensive set of friends.

But think of this. Transitions in society always hurt the generation that have to make the changes. At least house prices will probably be OK for 20 somethings by the time they reach their 30's and want to settle down. Whether you still want to live in this country though is another matter,

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But think of this. Transitions in society always hurt the generation that have to make the changes.

Uncomfortable, but true. Generation Y have a responsibility that they've yet to encounter. You are the playmakers, now, and the game changers. Your future is in your own hands. Use the opportunity, however hard, wisely.

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There nothing wrong with your generation. And yes, you have indeed been f*cked over.

I think it is a mistake, though entirely understandable, to want to move abroad. I am bound to say, with they way things are going globally I don't think anywhere is that likely to fare much better than anywhere else in the years ahead.

Motivate others to become active politically. And I don't mean merely going to the voting booth. Our democracy is a joke. Get out on the streets. Join protests.

Stand and fight.

It's a nice sentiment, but the most creative ideas this generation seems to have is to organise a flashmob, or a mass christmas single purchase.

I don't think they have much of a clue about how shafted they are, or they feel so shafted they think it's pointless.

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There nothing wrong with your generation. And yes, you have indeed been f*cked over.

I think it is a mistake, though entirely understandable, to want to move abroad. I am bound to say, with they way things are going globally I don't think anywhere is that likely to fare much better than anywhere else in the years ahead.

Motivate others to become active politically. And I don't mean merely going to the voting booth. Our democracy is a joke. Get out on the streets. Join protests.

Stand and fight.

Sorry but, unfortunately, numbers show that Britain is by far the country that had the highest property/credit bubble in the world, and is now the country that crashed the most, and with the worst government annual borrowing, to cover the worst annual deficit in the world: 14.5% of GDP this year, or some £176 billion.

And next year will be about the same. And we will keep borrowing for at least 8 years, increasing the total national debt to well over 100% of GDP. the next couple of decades will be very hard.

And, consequently, Britain will fall behind (previously) similar countries, such as France and Germany, and, unfortunately, probably will never catch them up.

Nevertheless, I think that not everybody should leave. Britain is not a meritocracy, so, if you are middle-class, private school educated, with the right accent and contacts, you'd better stay, as you will never find an easier place to do well, even if the country is going down. The odds are heavily in your favour here.

However, if you are not middle-class/private school educated, and you are intelligent and hard working, then go to a meritocracy, such as the USA, and you will not regret it. (They have a high deficit now, but they were much richer to begin with, and as they are much more productive, they will recover in a few years.)

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born 1981, so gen Y

Definitly advice to anyone delaying a family because of HPI is DON'T

If you are clever, not fugly and have morals and patience, then you have already given your offspring a better start than most. Use the benefits system to help put a roof over your childrens head if you need, and help to fell the behemoth. Any person with a modicum of decency needs to start filling up this island with capable well brought up people, before the chavs and the Labour government fill it up with morally bankrupt genetically stunted half breeds.

The only way this country will reform itself is when there is noone left to pay...

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born 1981, so gen Y

Definitly advice to anyone delaying a family because of HPI is DON'T

If you are clever, not fugly and have morals and patience, then you have already given your offspring a better start than most. Use the benefits system to help put a roof over your childrens head if you need, and help to fell the behemoth. Any person with a modicum of decency needs to start filling up this island with capable well brought up people, before the chavs and the Labour government fill it up with morally bankrupt genetically stunted half breeds.

The only way this country will reform itself is when there is noone left to pay...

"fugly"??

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What choices do we have, what can we do about the current situation?

Is the best choice to leave the country?

Huge student loans, huge house prices, high unemployment, a society that is not the one are parents brought us up to anticipate. Our qualifications are derided. We are herded towards pointless qualifications. Our acquaintances whom have fallen into the benefits system, frankly, seem better off.

Many of us can't afford a family and those that can are highly in debt.

House prices are hugely divisive and often turn our parents against us if we do not accept the assertion that rising house prices are good.

Have facebook, x-boxes and binge drinking made us so apathetic we don't care?

We are a humiliated and abused generation. We are all hoody wearing, under qualified, lazy, obese and useless. according to many. Tarred with the same brush and not willing to make our own way in this world as the article below states.

Link http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/dec/08/young-adults-living-parental-home-ons

EDIT: Lurkers in Gen Y please join and contribute, there are not many of us on these sites!!

My kids are your age (or a bit younger).

I planned, saved, worked and went without and now I'm expecting the government to take it all off me and give it to a banker so I'm not terrifically happy.

I don't know what the right thing to do is. You are only young once so you should try and enjoy that. Maybe travel and get laid a bit as when you are older it is these memories which count.

I am encouraging my children to get real qualifications and go to a proper uni. I'll support them financially to make it possible. The cycle will come round again and in 10 years the economy may have corrected the damage caused by Brown or will have collapse completely and be in a process of rebuilding.

Skilling up is probably the best "investment" you can make and the government can't take it off you.

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It's a nice sentiment, but the most creative ideas this generation seems to have is to organise a flashmob, or a mass christmas single purchase.

I don't think they have much of a clue about how shafted they are, or they feel so shafted they think it's pointless.

Advocating HPC is a guaranteed conversation killer at the company Xmas do, it's only marginally less suicidal than suggesting the legalisation of kiddy fiddling...

You might be surrounded by Gen-Y-ers who badly want a HPC, but they'll never mention it... except on this site :)

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born 1981, so gen Y

Definitly advice to anyone delaying a family because of HPI is DON'T

If you are clever, not fugly and have morals and patience, then you have already given your offspring a better start than most. Use the benefits system to help put a roof over your childrens head if you need, and help to fell the behemoth. Any person with a modicum of decency needs to start filling up this island with capable well brought up people, before the chavs and the Labour government fill it up with morally bankrupt genetically stunted half breeds.

The only way this country will reform itself is when there is noone left to pay...

I am renting privately, so, I understand your anger. And if HP were not to crash, your benefits strategy would be sound. But HP will crash, hard, starting after the next General Elections, and for at least 2 years. So, a better strategy for your generation (I'm a bit older) is to stay employed and employable, with career prospects. Then you will be able to do well.

Don't get trapped into the benefits system.

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I am renting privately, so, I understand your anger. And if HP were not to crash, your benefits strategy would be sound. But HP will crash, hard, starting after the next General Elections, and for at least 2 years. So, a better strategy for your generation (I'm a bit older) is to stay employed and employable, with career prospects. Then you will be able to do well.

Don't get trapped into the benefits system.

Yet.

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This is why average house prices should either be £60k or average wages should be £60k, because otherwise the maths is broken.

I have to say I am shocked that people would bother to work for £10k, perhaps if they are young they can't get the full range of benefits that the Chav classes seems to adept at extracting then it might be a way onto the employment ladder. But seriously £10k is below poverty line.

I am particularly shocked as my first job straight out of University in 1996 paid double that and that 14 years ago. Someone on £10k today must have almost no hope of buying a home or living comfortably.

I'm in Norwich as well, currently on min wage wortking in a warehouse (age 25...soon to be 26). I'm going to get laid off though, as I only got taken on as a Christmas temp. I don't mind warehouse work to be honest, I prefer it to office stuff I've done. I just want to get full time work (but on a permanent contract), even on the min wage, just so I can move out and have my own little life. Maybe move out with my g/f when we've been together a bit longer. It's a bit frustrating that even the lowest rung (just working a bog standard job and renting a small place) seems so difficult to get to at the moment, especially for someone of my age. I'll keep applying, but the job situation is fairly sh1t. I don't want to move away, my friends and family are around this area and I like the place.

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I am renting privately, so, I understand your anger. And if HP were not to crash, your benefits strategy would be sound. But HP will crash, hard, starting after the next General Elections, and for at least 2 years. So, a better strategy for your generation (I'm a bit older) is to stay employed and employable, with career prospects. Then you will be able to do well.

Don't get trapped into the benefits system.

If you are a man of the house then really, you can still be working part time and get subsidised for the rest by the taxpayer, still keeping yourself employable, yet enjoying oodles of time with the children and a slower pace of life, thus preserving your life expectancy and incresing your all round enjoyment of life. If not then just say you are not living with the woman.

Delaying having kids only gives the chavs a head start, it seems to me that it is a race to be born, grab for resources etc.

For many of my peers putting off a family has turned into a ticking timebomb, where still unable to afford a home they are on a countdown to a childless future, likely doomed to be alone, old and surrounded by unfamiliar yobs. You really can't take chances, if you know you want them, women at least need to be thinking about it by their early thirties, so it only leaves a few years for the earlier born genY's.

The whole ethics of a country with an inescapable system based on pure greed is something that needs to be ended, and at least some modicum of collective responsibility added. Socialism has turned the whole working class into nothing but a bunch of beggars with min wages and HPI.

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Also to those that want to better themselves by learning accountancy,

wages for senior accountant has dropped from £40,000 - £60,000 a year in the late eighties / early nineties all the way down to £16,000 - £20,000 a year now.

There is too much competition for white collar jobs, so by all means learn the skill, but remember skill does not mean a job that can support you. Wages will only ever get pushed further down as globalisation increases and the awakening giants become ever stronger.

Learn about agriculture, so you can save a bit more of your money, grow you own food, keep your own chickens. Allotments cost £16 a year only. All that extra 'me' time you can have by only working part time can be easily put to good 'life enhancing' use.

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I'm in Norwich as well, currently on min wage wortking in a warehouse (age 25...soon to be 26). I'm going to get laid off though, as I only got taken on as a Christmas temp. I don't mind warehouse work to be honest, I prefer it to office stuff I've done. I just want to get full time work (but on a permanent contract), even on the min wage, just so I can move out and have my own little life. Maybe move out with my g/f when we've been together a bit longer. It's a bit frustrating that even the lowest rung (just working a bog standard job and renting a small place) seems so difficult to get to at the moment, especially for someone of my age. I'll keep applying, but the job situation is fairly sh1t. I don't want to move away, my friends and family are around this area and I like the place.

I do often wonder if things are more difficult in somewhere like Norwich due to its relative remoteness. I know you don't want to move, but could you not look somewhere like Cambridge, there are plenty more jobs there and closer to London rates? The trouble I guess on your currently salary is that the commute might be too expensive until you got settled in a new job.

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My advice would be - create a whole new politic if you have the b**ls to do it.

With the 3 main parties in bed togeather, police and judges on side that ban legitimate stricks

embrace the military and hope they help during the revolution because thats were we are going IMHO

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I do often wonder if things are more difficult in somewhere like Norwich due to its relative remoteness. I know you don't want to move, but could you not look somewhere like Cambridge, there are plenty more jobs there and closer to London rates? The trouble I guess on your currently salary is that the commute might be too expensive until you got settled in a new job.

Commuting is an option certainly, a lot of people do this from Norwich to London even. However, these are people with good, higher paying jobs. Good luck to them, but I can't get those sort of jobs. My work experience consists of bog standard jobs; lots of warehouse work, unskilled labouring and a little office job (where I can say I did work in html and used Adobe 'Go-live' and 'Photoshop', but in reality a monkey could've done the job haha). It's totally my own fault...I did quite well at school (mainly A's and B's at GCSE) but I had no clue what I wanted to do afterwards, did a BTEC in computing at college and barely passed it (I really wasn't interested in it) and drifted in and out of the aforementioned jobs. My heart isn't in academic study anymore, so I'm not moaning about working a low paying job, I just want some permanent work so I can rent a place. I don't care about buying, it's not going to happen.

Selfishly speaking, I'd like a lot more council houses to be built for the likes of me; a place where a young couple (both on low wages) can go and start life together. Places for singles too (though I'd probably just house share in that instance). A young couple don't really want to house-share. Lower rents and secure tenancies would make life easier.

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delusional boomers think the gravy train will roll on forever

these clowns will get the biggest wakeup of all , losing all they have worked for for 40 years and going back to day dot

the weak will die the strong will survive , skill up in horticulture areas , healthcare , guns and baked beans

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delusional boomers think the gravy train will roll on forever

these clowns will get the biggest wakeup of all , losing all they have worked for for 40 years and going back to day dot

the weak will die the strong will survive , skill up in horticulture areas , healthcare , guns and baked beans

Ho! get a load of this guy! am I right fellas?

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Also to those that want to better themselves by learning accountancy,

wages for senior accountant has dropped from £40,000 - £60,000 a year in the late eighties / early nineties all the way down to £16,000 - £20,000 a year now.

There is too much competition for white collar jobs, so by all means learn the skill, but remember skill does not mean a job that can support you. Wages will only ever get pushed further down as globalisation increases and the awakening giants become ever stronger.

Learn about agriculture, so you can save a bit more of your money, grow you own food, keep your own chickens. Allotments cost £16 a year only. All that extra 'me' time you can have by only working part time can be easily put to good 'life enhancing' use.

I agree wholeheartedly with what you say but:

You've not spoken to 'Goat' have you?

He says accountancy is immune from wage drops because it can't be outsourced as people aren't happy with the results....

On a more serious note, globalisation IS reducing wages yet (some?) people still expect the price of houses to increase....

Can someone explain the logic behind that please?

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