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Young doctors who have been unable to find posts to continue their training spoke of their disappointment and concerns for the future.

The British Medical Association (BMA) recently warned that intense competition for jobs had left many juniors without posts, with contracts ending on Tuesday. But the Department of Health said it was "confident" this was not a widespread problem.

The BMA believes the problem is partly the result of increasing demand and partly due to poor planning. It said the number of places at medical school have increased and applications from overseas are rising, but the number of postgraduate training posts has not increased at the same rate.

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The BMA also said the new Modernising Medical Careers training structure had also meant that many jobs had been phased out. It claimed that the number of senior house officer (SHO) jobs - the middle training grade for doctors - had fallen, with some posts attracting more than 1,000 applications.

One doctor, Melissa Marlow, said she had applied for about 50 SHO posts across the UK, including in Scotland and Wales, but she only had one interview and heard nothing else.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...97&in_a_source=

Young doctors who have been unable to find posts to continue their training spoke of their disappointment and concerns for the future.

The British Medical Association (BMA) recently warned that intense competition for jobs had left many juniors without posts, with contracts ending on Tuesday. But the Department of Health said it was "confident" this was not a widespread problem.

The BMA believes the problem is partly the result of increasing demand and partly due to poor planning. It said the number of places at medical school have increased and applications from overseas are rising, but the number of postgraduate training posts has not increased at the same rate.

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The BMA also said the new Modernising Medical Careers training structure had also meant that many jobs had been phased out. It claimed that the number of senior house officer (SHO) jobs - the middle training grade for doctors - had fallen, with some posts attracting more than 1,000 applications.

One doctor, Melissa Marlow, said she had applied for about 50 SHO posts across the UK, including in Scotland and Wales, but she only had one interview and heard nothing else.

We've nicked Doctors from the third world, so we dont need any more!

Time the immigrant Doctors went back to help people who really need them instead of lining thier own nest in the UK. Greedy g1ts.

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We've nicked Doctors from the third world, so we dont need any more!

Time the immigrant Doctors went back to help people who really need them instead of lining thier own nest in the UK. Greedy g1ts.

That is a slightly simplistic and somewhat inaccurate comment on the situation. The simple fact of the matter is that the Government realised more Doctors are needed in the future, so increased places at Medical School and expanded the Consultant grade without noticing that the middle grade training posts would become a bottleneck if these grades were not expanded. The majority of overseas Doctors work in non-training posts, which UK graduates will not apply for, as they are essentially dead-end jobs.

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We've nicked Doctors from the third world, so we dont need any more!

Time the immigrant Doctors went back to help people who really need them instead of lining thier own nest in the UK. Greedy g1ts.

Its happening in nursing too. A lot of my mates are qualifing this year and just can't find jobs. This is due to the influx of overseas nurses.. philipinos, nigerians, indians etc.. having filled vacancies during the 'shortage'. firstly these nurses should be back in their own countries many of which have a nursing crisis.. esp nigeria and secondly its a bit galling to think i may not have a job after my 3 years of training and hardship.

They have fullfilled their task of providing enough nurses to care for our sick, now it is time for them to go home and let us home grown nursing graduates fill the spaces. Sorry if this offends.

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Its happening in nursing too. A lot of my mates are qualifing this year and just can't find jobs. This is due to the influx of overseas nurses.. philipinos, nigerians, indians etc.. having filled vacancies during the 'shortage'.  firstly these nurses should be back in their own countries many of which have a nursing crisis.. esp nigeria and secondly its a bit galling to think i may not have a job after my 3 years of training and hardship.

They have fullfilled their task of providing enough nurses to care for our sick, now it is time for them to go home and let us home grown nursing graduates fill the spaces. Sorry if this offends.

Doesn't seem to be the way it works, look at IT, 10'000's of visas issued whilst the market was being clobbered and unemployment rates rocketed.

Maybe look abroad, better conditions, better pay and better lifestyle.

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Its happening in nursing too. A lot of my mates are qualifing this year and just can't find jobs. This is due to the influx of overseas nurses.. philipinos, nigerians, indians etc.. having filled vacancies during the 'shortage'.  firstly these nurses should be back in their own countries many of which have a nursing crisis.. esp nigeria and secondly its a bit galling to think i may not have a job after my 3 years of training and hardship.

They have fullfilled their task of providing enough nurses to care for our sick, now it is time for them to go home and let us home grown nursing graduates fill the spaces. Sorry if this offends.

You are right for apologising. This is frankly offensive and racist.

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Its happening in nursing too. A lot of my mates are qualifing this year and just can't find jobs. This is due to the influx of overseas nurses.. philipinos, nigerians, indians etc.. having filled vacancies during the 'shortage'.  firstly these nurses should be back in their own countries many of which have a nursing crisis.. esp nigeria and secondly its a bit galling to think i may not have a job after my 3 years of training and hardship.

They have fullfilled their task of providing enough nurses to care for our sick, now it is time for them to go home and let us home grown nursing graduates fill the spaces. Sorry if this offends.

There has never ever been a shortage of nurses. What there has been a shortage of is qualified nurses prepared to work in cr@ppy conditions, for poor renumeration (for the responsibility) and the lack of respect. Sure it's hard work but that 'aint the problem.

On prac I was pushed out of the way by a doctor. I beg your pardon mate but I was here first and I am only 2 minutes from finishing. I almost said to him "I want to talk to you in private for a minute". He was in the right place for what I wanted to say :angry: *****.

Anyhow - the "nurse shortage" is a ploy so that the powers that be can bring in workers from OS in order to supress wages. Nurses make up to 55% of the workforce so any slight increase in pay equals huge cost blow outs.

It's a con.

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You are right for apologising. This is frankly offensive and racist.

Not really racist. It would be racist if he did not mind white people coming into the country, but had a problem with black or asian people. It seems to me he does not (right or wrong) like the percieved competition from immigrant workers.

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Totally unrelated comment but noone listens to me anyway...

Is stopping and searching Asian men for bombs racist?

If the IRA were still blowing things up, would I as a white male be complaining because they weren't stopping and searching any Asians?

Don't think so.

Ah but if you use racial profiling then they find a way to exploit this.

Yes, as soon as they start dressing as up as old white ladies then we'll start searching old white ladies but till that time...

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Totally unrelated comment but noone listens to me anyway...

Is stopping and searching Asian men for bombs racist?

If the IRA were still blowing things up, would I as a white male be complaining because they weren't stopping and searching any Asians?

Don't think so.

Ah but if you use racial profiling then they find a way to exploit this.

Yes, as soon as they start dressing as up as old white ladies then we'll start searching old white ladies but till that time...

Some spokesman for one of the 1000's of moslem organisations that there seem to be was on the news literally suggesting it would be foolish not to search everybody including little old white ladies because if they weren't going to be serarched then terrorist groups would target them and use them! You couldn't make it up. It's just practical commen sense, police resources are already stretched and the numbers of police around in London at the moment will not remain this high. Surely those of asian/african origin would rather the police used their resources to the best and they will be safer for it too.

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They have fullfilled their task of providing enough nurses to care for our sick, now it is time for them to go home and let us home grown nursing graduates fill the spaces. Sorry if this offends.

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You are right for apologising. This is frankly offensive and racist.

Home grown nurses aren't just white y'know. Some people are just too easily (willingly?) offended.

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Oh heck... what av I started??

I wasn't thinking of colour/race/religion at all - just stating for information where the OS nurses where coming from. And true Bart, some of these home grown nurses that can't get jobs are indeed black and asian and white.

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You are right for apologising. This is frankly offensive and racist.

Ahhhh, bless, you poor little soul, are u offended? Well Im not and Im getting tired of pathetic no - spine guilt trippers telling everyone to stop offending.

You are yesterday - speak. Many of us are getting just a little sick & tired of the same old Liberal thought police. You tire us.

People like u are responsible for the massive rift between 'enclaved' Muslims and the rest of the UK. Your purile bile, means communities grow distant as they look less and less like one another as you and your kind encourage 'difference' no matter the consequences.

Lets have free speech back. Lets honestly & frankly debate.

BTW - why is ok for liberals on the BBC to make fun of German, white english, Italians, Swedes, Americans but not a Bengali? I see this happen often.

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What is offensive is using the 'racist' flag when it is clearly not required. There was nothing racist in that comment.

Pr@t

What I was refering to was the 'them' go home comment.

"They should go back home where the belong" - ring any bells? I grew up in Tottenham in the 70's and 80's when the NF were on the increase. I heard it in school all the time.

It is offhand comments like this that cause division. Who is this them and us? Why is it that if I was born here I should have more of a right staying here than someone who comes here and provides valuable services?

Why should 'they' go so that I can have an easier life making my way in the world?

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What I was refering to was the 'them' go home comment.

"They should go back home where the belong" - ring any bells?

How the F*** is that racist. Immigation and racism are two different things.

Racist tossers try to use immigration to their advantage to stir up hate, and unless the two things are clearly separated they will get away with it. You are adding to the problem.

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Ahhhh, bless, you poor little soul, are u offended? Well Im not and Im getting tired of pathetic no - spine guilt trippers telling everyone to stop offending.

You are yesterday - speak. Many of us are getting just a little sick & tired of the same old Liberal thought police. You tire us.

People like u are responsible for the massive rift between 'enclaved' Muslims and the rest of the UK. Your purile bile, means communities grow distant as they look less and less like one another as you and your kind encourage 'difference' no matter the consequences.

Lets have free speech back. Lets honestly & frankly debate.

BTW - why is ok for liberals on the BBC to make fun of German, white english, Italians, Swedes, Americans but not a Bengali? I see this happen often.

How is it people like me that have caused the rift between 'enclaved' Muslims and the rest of the UK????

You appear to live in a fantasy world.

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I'm glad that doctors and nurses are encountering competition for their jobs. Join the real world. Maybe they will take a pay cut so I can have lower taxes thank you very much. The BMA is always bloody moaning. It's nothing but an arthur-scargilian trade union for doctors. Where's thatcher when you need her!

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BMA, a union. I wondered why I paid them all that money. They are entirely hopeless. Spending their time telling people whether they should smoke or box and doing very little to protect the interests of doctors as far as I can tell. Their negotiating skills are non existent. I only pay the money because they are the only organisation with bargaining rights.

I do agree that they moan the whole time however.

We have people from overseas becoming doctors in my hospital that are clearly an unknown quantity whilst local graduates can't get employment. I can tell you that on average there is a very big difference in skills, knowledge and ability. Often a whole different mindset and way of thinking.

Basically the whole thing is being taken over by the government removing control from local hospital staff.

Before you say that's great because it keeps the racist doctors away from the decisions, you just wait 'till youre at the sharp end being seen by someone with lacking communication skills and sills in general.

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Before you say that's great because it keeps the racist doctors away from the decisions, you just wait 'till youre at the sharp end being seen by someone with lacking communication skills and sills in general.

Having worked/socialised with many doctors I would say that a lack of communication skills is not just a problem for immigrant doctors.

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BMA, a union. I wondered why I paid them all that money. They are entirely hopeless. Spending their time telling people whether they should smoke or box and doing very little to protect the interests of doctors as far as I can tell. Their negotiating skills are non existent. I only pay the money because they are the only organisation with bargaining rights.

I do agree that they moan the whole time however.

We have people from overseas becoming doctors in my hospital that are clearly an unknown quantity whilst local graduates can't get employment. I can tell you that on average there is a very big difference in skills, knowledge and ability. Often a whole different mindset and way of thinking.

Basically the whole thing is being taken over by the government removing control from local hospital staff.

Before you say that's great because it keeps the racist doctors away from the decisions, you just wait 'till youre at the sharp end being seen by someone with lacking communication skills and sills in general.

Welcome back, uro_who, not seen you on here for a while. You know my background, and I agree with you. At least British graduates are prepared to alter their practice according to recent best evidence. They have the ability(a result of their training) to critically evaluate current advances and decide whether to incorporate this into their practice. The overseas guys I worked with seemed to have one way of doing things and were unable to alter their viewpoint in the face of new evidence. Anecdotal, I know, but in 8 years of hospital practice I never saw any evidence to the contrary. I guess we get the Health service we deserve. :(

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If you have had the chance to go to a medical school the bulk

of medical students are not white. Mostly british asians this is

the same story with dental schools. At one time being a medical

professional was a white middle class profession now only god

knows what has happened.

Personally knowing several consultants they have expressed

shock at the numbers of foreign Drs coming into this country.

As the article in the Daily Mail mentions there are not enough

SHO positions to cover the number of JHO.

What a sad situation. If feel sorry for the 36% fools who helped

put New Labour back in power.

Edited by E Powell

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