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britain is serioulsly fcked up. What are people doing walking around with axes? Maybe its just me, but most times when I look at people who drive past me, they look ready to explode, what happened to smiles and compassion? England got it wrong, they should have left this island to the crims and moved to oz. :rolleyes:

on a side not, a lot of young men carry iron bars in the cars.

What is going to solve this escalating problem? Is it becoming a mad max style waste land?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4730559.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4733097.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4665647.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/4630889.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/northam...ire/4080178.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/souther...ies/4602001.stm

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They dont get much of an example from their leaders who are intent on a war every other year it seems.

Do you think the Brown Shirts were violent ? You bet your life they were because they followed leaders who incited violence.

We have - in Mr Blair - a leader whose first recourse to any crisis appearst to be violence of one sort or other.

Young people must look somewhere for a role model and who better than a psychopathic PM who likes nothing better than a good war.

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britain is serioulsly fcked up. What are people doing walking around with axes? Maybe its just me, but most times when I look at people who drive past me, they look ready to explode, what happened to smiles and compassion? England got it wrong, they should have left this island to the crims and moved to oz. :rolleyes:

on a side not, a lot of young men carry iron bars in the cars.

What is going to solve this escalating problem? Is it becoming a mad max style waste land?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4730559.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4733097.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4665647.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/4630889.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/northam...ire/4080178.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/souther...ies/4602001.stm

Now a lot of pinko sissie tree hugger "not in my name" types are going to shout me down, but I would bring back execution by hanging for

1) Child rape

2) Premeditated murder or attempted murder within the intent to terrorize, with explosives and firearms. (terrorism act, including Animals rights protestors posting letter bombs)

3) Aggrivated violent murder such as the tragic case in Liverpool.

4) only allowable with a 100% burden of proof.

think the days of believing that it is someones upbringing that causes the error of their ways are over and should be dismissed as fundementally dangerous to our society.

What happened in Liverpool is frankly disgusting. I hope that whoever perpatrted this act gets his guts stomped out and torn a new *sshole by his cellmate the notorious B.I.G Bubba and his painted fingernails...

The sad fact is these scum apparently still have "rights" according to the HRA, and are fully entitled to fair treatment whilst in Prison. They will most likely recieve 10-15 reduced to 7 with good behaviour. Disgusting. And look at the damage they have done.

At an absolute minimum, this government should do a 180

1) axeing the HRA

2) Getting hardcore (and I mean hardcore) with drugs dealers, muggers, burglars... There are some areas of Toxteth and manchester that police will not venture into in case they flare up a gun battle in the street for hells sake :angry:

3) allowing full rights for ahomeowner to kill an intruder, whether or not their intention was to cause the homeowner harm. Natural justice as it were.

Perhaps moresuitable for the off topic thread perhaps?

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yeah and what does war cause? Terror. So we're now fighting a war on the concequence of war.

Yep and that war on the consequences of war breeds tension between whites youth and asians and so the vicious cycle goes on.

Thank you Mr Blair.

You have turned the country into a hellhole.

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You guys must be a tadd younger than me, but Charlie will back me up on this.

The whole concept of a Socialist Regime and a Totalitarian state is Divide and Rule.

You achieve this by convincing everyone that a bogeyman sits on every street corner, the people react against one another and the Government profit as everyone sees them as the only people who can save them.

Its childsplay, but hell the British are the biggest mugs on planet earth.

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Yep and that war on the consequences of war breeds tension between whites youth and asians and so the vicious cycle goes on.

Thank you Mr Blair. 

You have turned the country into a hellhole.

As an aside to Iraq, could you please point out the downsides to

1) ridding afghanistan of the taliban who were well known for shooting adulterous women in the head at the local football pitch

2) crushing gays under brick walls using a bulldozer

3) distroyed one of the worlds oldest religious shrines

4) perpatrated hate and fear and pushed a once proud nation further and further into the dark age?

5) Acted even the UN sat back and allowed this to happen

Serbia

1) Ridding Serbia of a filthy, dirty scumbag commie

2) Stopped numerous slaugters of muslim families whilst the UN stood back and refused to act

3) Closed numerous "rape camps" where Muslim girls were forced to sleep with dozens of men a day to "purge serbia of unclean blood".

4)Stopped a regional war and allowed us to police an area that has been a centre of religious tension for over a century.

5) Halted genocide (sure this was supposed to be the UNs job, hang on, they were against action in serbia were they not? Pattern emerging dont you think... Sudan, Darfur, Mogadishu, Niger, Sierra Leone and Zim all being other examples)

Iraq however is a different issue and I will not defend any arguments put up about that. Blair was incompetent mainly for not thinking things through to conclusion; no exit strategy and no post war plan being the most unforgivable. He should have listened to the old school of foreign diplomats/ataches that REPEATEDLY told him that Iraq was a religious hot bed, not only for being the home of The Prophet, but also due to significant infighting between religious groups and "Castes" that exist in Iraqi society.

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ridding afghanistan of the taliban

When did we do that?

Most of the Taliban changed their name to 'Northern Alliance' and suddenly became our mates: then they got rich growing opium poppies and sending heroin to Britain. Many of the rest are still active in the South where occupying troops have no control.

crushing gays under brick walls using a bulldozer

Whereas at least one of our mates in Afghanistan reportedly crushes his opponents with tanks, and others have reportedly taken to kidnapping young boys to bugger.

distroyed one of the worlds oldest religious shrines

Like the massive destruction of historical artifacts and sites in Iraq, you mean?

Afghanistan was a mess before we invaded, and it's a least as much of a mess now. The whole reason the Taliban were running the country was because the warlords screwed it up so badly last time they ran it.

There was one legitimate reason and only one reason to go into Afghanistan, and that was to bring bin Laden to justice. The Americans even screwed that one up, by relying on ex-Taliban leaders to hand over their mates... they took our money, laughed at us, and let bin Laden and the Taliban leaders escape.

Halted genocide

You don't still believe there were mass graves of hundreds of thousands of people in Kosovo, do you?

Don't tell me: you also believed those stories about Iraqui soldiers throwing babies out of incubators in Kuwait?

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Have you ever noticed Blair's 'So Macho' walk. It always makes me laugh. It's a 'Hey I'm macho man Blair so don't mess wid me or I'll bomb your children' kind of walk. :lol:

By the way, capital punishment solves nothing. If it did, the US wouldn't have such a massive crime problem would it.

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BTW, capital punishment solves nothing.

It certainly stops people re-offending.

What else would you have done with someone as evil as Ted Bundy? If they'd fried him the first time they caught him, they'd have prevented several attacks after he escaped (including the death of the girl whose murder got him the death penalty in the end).

If it did, the US wouldn't have such a massive crime problem would it.

Hint: capital punishment is usually a _reaction_ to high crime rates, so it should be no surprise that countries with low crime rates generally don't have a death penalty.

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90% of crime could be stopped tommorow.

Give people 1 warning for thier first offence and say "if I ever see you in court again, next time its 10 years, no early release, now you have been warned, there is no second chance".

Such a strong dividing line would deter most young people from a life of crime.

Problem is, young people get warning after warning after short sentence until crime becomes embedded in thier fabric too deeply for future interventions to work.

CRIME PAYS. MAKE IT NOT PAY.

As for violence, we need total zero tollerance for any offence and huge sentances, there is no other solution unless you want to assign millions of totts thier own 24/7 social worker for the first 10 years of thier lives.

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I think you will find that the Taliban still exist.

They must do Blind Pew recently had a meeting with them, he is "Respectfull of them".

I think you should all know that the Taliban was financed by both the UK and the US prior to the day we decided we didnt like them anymore.

Face facts, we have had so much ******** peddled out over the past years since labour took power its now hard to identify fact and plain lies.

The Government of the day always had a responsibility to hold up democracy and tell the truth. If they didnt they went before a committee and would never work in politics again.

Labour have hijacked our democracy, and the final blow will be the ID cards.

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As an aside to Iraq, could you please point out the downsides to

1) ridding afghanistan of the taliban who were well known for shooting adulterous women in the head at the local football pitch

2) crushing gays under brick walls using a bulldozer

3) distroyed one of the worlds oldest religious shrines

4) perpatrated hate and fear and pushed a once proud nation further and further into the dark age?

5) Acted even the UN sat back and allowed this to happen

Because of the way you phrased this I'm not sure whether you're for or against these things.

I can see downsides to each one.

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Whereas at least one of our mates in Afghanistan reportedly crushes his opponents with tanks, and others have reportedly taken to kidnapping young boys to bugger.

Think generally the gays the Taliban crushed didnt have an RPG on their shoulder for a start; they were armed combatants.  Are you talking about US or UK? I have never heard stories of sex abuse.

Like the massive destruction of historical artifacts and sites in Iraq, you mean?

Disgusting yes. I commented on Iraq and mentioned that there was a complete lack of post-war planning.  The lootings of significant and important religious shrines occured post conflict I remember, when there was significant civil unrest.  Simply put, disbanding of the former Iraqi military was a stupid, stupid mistake.

Afghanistan was a mess before we invaded, and it's a least as much of a mess now. The whole reason the Taliban were running the country was because the warlords screwed it up so badly last time they ran it.

I suggest you havent seen Afghanistan on the news then recently. Because last time I checked, women were allowed in the streets, girls allowed to go to school, the towns have growing local trade. There are problems yes I am sure, but at least the afghani people are at last making headway back towards the beautiful country they once had.  It takes time, but I am positive they will get there. Beautiful country, beautiful people. The drugs issue is just as much a problem of demand as well as supply.  Yes, Heroin production has increased dramatically, the farmers have little financial incentive to grow alternative crops.

You don't still believe there were mass graves of hundreds of thousands of people in Kosovo, do you?

YEs I do. When you see the bodies of thousands in a grave with hands tied and bullets in the head, including infants and babies, the numbers become inconsequential.  What the serbs did, as a nation was wrong. They they ultimately paid the consequence of their actions. At, may I add, at a significantly lower price than what their refugees had to pay.

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We're all cooped up in overpriced little houses, force fed VI spin and then over milked for tax.

Basically we've become the governments battery farm, that's why it's hard to smile I guess?

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I suggest you havent seen Afghanistan on the news then recently.

The same 'news' that claims everything is going just great in Iraq, that Iraqui soldiers threw babies out of incubators in Kuwait, and Serbs murdered hundreds of thousands of Albanian Kosovans?

You mean _that_ news?

YEs I do.

So are you going to explain why the forensics teams only found a couple of thousand bodies, and no real evidence that they'd been killed by Serbs rather than by Kosovan terrorists?

Next, I guess, you'll be supporting the ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Kosovo right under the noses of the US and UK military?

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So are you going to explain why the forensics teams only found a couple of thousand bodies, and no real evidence that they'd been killed by Serbs rather than by Kosovan terrorists?

Sorry, but there is no evidence that Kosovan terrorists did slaugher their own people. The death toll in Kosovo would have got much higher if we hadnt started bombing the serbian army in open terrain. Fact is, we acted at the best time and accomplished our goals.

You are starting to sound like another world famous leader, who was quoted to say...

The death of one person is a tragedy. The death of a million is a statistic.

The fact is, the UN have a BAD habit of sitting on their dumb *sses whilst promising they will never be genocide again. Well, what about Sudan? What about Rowanda? Zimbabwe? Or are is the UN inhabited by left wing pinko sissies who are happy to sit back, enjoy the bonuses of the job and not get involved?

that Iraqui soldiers threw babies out of incubators in Kuwait,

Dont know about that one, have a very close Kuwaiti freind who was present when the occupation occured. His aunt was raped by a Palestinian as a result of the Kuwaiti government siding with the US. Again, the whole debate about the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait is difficult on a political level; there are lots of arguments on both sides in this case as well.

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I suggest you havent seen Afghanistan on the news then recently.

mbga

We 'pick & choose' which nation we will invade.

Imagine this........... tomorrow your country is invaded by another.

The other country justifies its action in many ways, for example they may have a profound distaste for our 'free' society as in thier eyes violence and decadence might spread to thier culture. THIER REASONING YOU MAY NOT AGREE WITH, BUT TOUGH, YOU GET INVADED.

Can u now see why some peoples might not want 'us' invading them?

I understand and agree we have done much good through our invasions but thats bot the point. AFTERALL, why arent we removing corrupt African governments that through thier direct actions cause thier populations to die en - mass?

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Prisons should be prisons (not holiday camps)

Sentences should be sentences (not warnings, half sentences or community services,day release ******!)

police officers should be police officers(not community officers,big burly men who take people down and people are afraid of police officers!)

Too much benefit to the scum in this country! give them the money and the means to breed - outbreed hte middleclass - there you have it CHAV BRITAIN - WHERE EVERY **** CARRYS AN OFFENCE WEAPON!

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What is going to solve this escalating problem? Is it becoming a mad max style waste land?

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Having read each report, I notice that every one of these

incidents was the result of either :-

1. Travelling in a city late at night

2. Entering into altercation with socially alienated persons.

It is wise not to be out in the streets, or on public transport

late at night unless one is in quite a large group.

It is NEVER a good idea to to enter into any kind of conflict

with unknown persons who may be armed/mentally ill/violent.

It is better (I know it's easy to say) to watch one's car being

demolished than attempt to get into conflict with someone

who could be extremely violent.

These people are not normal. They can flare into unreasonable,

unprovoked and ultimately fatal violence for no reason at all.

Us blokes might think we are quite able to "handle ourselves"-

the reality is, that up against seasoned, hardened full-violence

opponents, we don't stand a chance.

And it's no good carrying a weapon - it's illegal and gives the

opponent access to a weapon that he didn't bring with him.

(Most US cops who die on duty are shot with their own gun.)

They can then claim self defence and it will probably hold

up in Court (even if one is six feet under when the case

comes up).

It is no use saying "we ought to be able to walk the streets

safely" .. the fact of the matter is that we can't.

Best to avoid -- REALLY avoid -- the circumstances which

give rise to these awful incidents.

But if the worst happens...and things start to go wrong....

GET AWAY----GET AWAY----GET AWAY

and call the Police.

No, we are not cowards.

We are peace-loving, law-abiding citizens.

Leave the car for the insurance company.

Leave the incident to the Police.

(Yes, I have Security training and yes, I have made some

big mistakes in my time - and I am writing this to myself

as much as anyone else.)

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