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Who Else Thinks That Speed Cameras Are Actually Dengerous?

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I live near the A3 where you can drive to the supermarket and back and get disqualified. Recently I've started thinking that speed cameras might actually be dangerous because I've noticed that when I'm going through them I pay more attention to the speedo than the road. The especially dangerous thing today was that I went through a speed camera that was situated just before a downgrade of the speed limit from 40 to 30 miles per hour. This was a new speed camera and because I know that they normally put a camera just after they change the speed limit downwards, I was paranoid that I'd missed a 30 sign and had done 35 though a 30 zone. The idea that I might have just got 3 points on my license distracted me for quite a while afterwards and I'm sure that everyone who get's done by one of these things and sees the flash will be fuming for a good while afterwards. This will put off anyone that is normally a good driver enough to make them potentially dangerous so that same effect on someone who is already dangerous and needs to be cautioned would make them all the more likely to kill someone with their car.

The answer is maybe , namely because without looking at the speedo I can estimate how fast I am going , but then I'm a biker face wind the speed the ground moves under me I can see how fast I am going within -/+ 4 mph.

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The answer is maybe , namely because without looking at the speedo I can estimate how fast I am going , but then I'm a biker face wind the speed the ground moves under me I can see how fast I am going within -/+ 4 mph.

Speed cameras are not dengerous [sic]. They never hurt anyone intentionally. I suggest you stop driving into them. Alternatively, why not try keeping to the speed limit.

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you can drive to the supermarket and back and get disqualified.

Only if you speed.

Boo hoo for you... Here have a blood stained tissue from the latest speeding scene crash you ******. handjob.gif

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why not try keeping to the speed limit.

why bother? speed limits became irrelevant when they replaced traffic police with highways agency clowns and painted yellow boxes. Just watch out for the yellow boxes and inbetween them feel free to treat the roads like autobahns.

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Speed cameras are not dengerous [sic]. They never hurt anyone intentionally. I suggest you stop driving into them. Alternatively, why not try keeping to the speed limit.

who says I dont?.

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who says I dont?.

I don't know. Who says you don't what? I wasn't replying to you - I was replying to the OP. So why are you so defensive? Perhaps it's because you do.

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-/+ 4 mph isn't actually that great when you're dealing with speed cameras though, eg 30 mph + 4 = 34 which is more than the 10% grace that you apparently get with speed cameras.

Well, having had no points on my license ever in 20 years, in the last 12mths I've been caught out twice by speed camera's, late at night, either new, or in a new area. I was only doing 4 miles over the limit in each case. But, only got myself to blame! Its your responsibility to make yourself aware of speed restrictions. I'm very, very careful now.

Btw, I like your avatar. :)

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-/+ 4 mph isn't actually that great when you're dealing with speed cameras though, eg 30 mph + 4 = 34 which is more than the 10% grace that you apparently get with speed cameras.

not in wales though, my father recently got a ticket at 31mph.

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I don't know. Who says you don't what? I wasn't replying to you - I was replying to the OP. So why are you so defensive? Perhaps it's because you do.

DId you ineffect just do a nothing to hide nothing to fear arguement on me or attempt to? , note YOU quoted me hence you replied to me, I don't I found it unchallenging for some reason I have managed 203mph in Germany before and it got boring after 5 minutes. I ride off road these days instead and off road tyres may well be road legal but I wouldnt ride quickly on the road on them.

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Well, having had no points on my license ever in 20 years, in the last 12mths I've been caught out twice by speed camera's, late at night, either new, or in a new area. I was only doing 4 miles over the limit in each case. But, only got myself to blame! Its your responsibility to make yourself aware of speed restrictions. I'm very, very careful now.

Btw, I like your avatar. :)

that is unfortunate but only goes to highlight the fact that our cameras our primarily for collecting revenue.

30mph is too fast in some areas, particularly around schools and heavily built up areas. Some 20mph zones now exist but what is the point in them being enforced 24/7. We should adopt a system like germany where cameras and speedlimits reflect risk - from 0800 to 1700 (times kids are about from school) limits reduce to 20kph outside of those hours they return to 50kph.

what is the need for a 20mph or 30mph zone to be enforsed at 0200hrs when no one else is around, oh yes £.

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I have to partially agree with the OP - it's not deliberate irresponsibility to drive too fast, sometimes it's all too easy to do so and yet possibly less dangerous than not observing the road situation properly. It's not a perfectworld. Aren't there less accusatory speed-reducing measures such as traffic calming and staged traffic light timings?

Mine's a libertarian take that says, actually, even if some lives are lost as a result, that is an acceptable return for not disproportionately demonising a quite common error of driving a bit too fast sometimes. Life is devalued if you criminalise everyday mistakes, and the apparent lack of govt effort for less accusatory methods seems strange - why do we need so many more speed cameras than other countries? Are our roads safer as a result?

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what is the need for a 20mph or 30mph zone to be enforsed at 0200hrs when no one else is around, oh yes £.

not just about money - abotu exercising power for power's sake.

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I tend to agree with the OP.

There is a paranoia caused not only by the speed cameras but by the pernicious attack on ordinary people going about their day.

Who sets the speed limits? Are they always appropriate for the road and the conditions?

By and large most people drive safely and considerately; it is quite easy to be a few mph over the limit, not be driving recklessly, yet to be punished.

Personally I'm more conscious of the mpg gauge and will drive economically.

Don't like the persecution of ordinary people.

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Seems to me people are playing Hobsons choice ie cameras or wholesale massacre on the roads, I dunno I think I'd rather have traffic cops on the road as traffic cops can catch other driving offences.

When I lived in Cornwall with this bloke he would drive around in his untaxed , uninsured no MOT escort , the thing is he didn't know how to drive and drove around REALLY drunk and never changed out of 2nd gear and thus was never caught by the A38 cameras.

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what is the need for a 20mph or 30mph zone to be enforsed at 0200hrs when no one else is around, oh yes £.

Both of mine were at 2am-ish. One in a school area, and the other (a new one on a route I take all the time), placed inexplicably just before a set of lights. Got me though!

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Both of mine were at 2am-ish. One in a school area, and the other (a new one on a route I take all the time), placed inexplicably just before a set of lights. Got me though!

that is something else that really annoys me, all of this saving power save the planet nonesense and we have traffic light working continually every 100ft on empty roads 24hrs a day. They turn most of them off in germany after 2200 when the roads are empty.

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Only if you speed.

Boo hoo for you... Here have a blood stained tissue from the latest speeding scene crash you ******. handjob.gif

Back in your box, don't try and play the same game as the Government! It's just another method to try and scare us, attempt to criminalise us etc.

YOUR the odd man out I'm afraid. >90% of road users speed, making the law an ass!

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That is absolutely shocking. Speedos are just not that accurate and even if they were how is driving at 31 mph any more dangerous than driving at 30? There definitely needs to be some sort of grace zone - I think your father should try and appeal that.

can't argue with a gatso and welsh have zero tolerance policy, no leeway, the set them at 30mph. Haven't you heared about their police chief and how their police are now named the 'traffic taliban'?

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that is something else that really annoys me, all of this saving power save the planet nonesense and we have traffic light working continually every 100ft on empty roads 24hrs a day. They turn most of them off in germany after 2200 when the roads are empty.

Yep they might as well turn them off in many places , Like Salford , it becomes a death zone once it gets dark that people ignore the traffic lights anyway , people call the place little beirut

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Both of mine were at 2am-ish. One in a school area, and the other (a new one on a route I take all the time), placed inexplicably just before a set of lights. Got me though!

They're put just before lights to get people who speed up to catch the amber light.

Just noticed this isn't in the off-topic forum yet. Must be a quite day

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I feel that I must add to that by saying that most drivers only break the speed limit if it's safe to do so and when it wouldn't be safe to drive at the speed limit then they wouldn't.

Agreed

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They are a total hazard because they assume certain behaviours and ignore others.

Quite often I find myself approaching a speed camera in a 40 mph limit behind a car which is indeed going at 40mph. But they haven't seen the road sign so when they see the speed camera they jam on their brakes to 30mph to be on the safe side. Lucky my brakes are good- other peoples' probably aren't so good.

And in a related type of case- where roadworks have a camera on the motorway and then the roadworks and camera are removed but the road markings stay- people jam on their brakes for the road markings - going from 70-40 in some cases for no real reason. Fatal - literally.

Also once you get a few points I can say from experience ( for example not for a safety issue but where there is a limit to protect a heritage monument) that one's driving gets worse as you are constantly looking at your speedo and not at the road for 3 or 4 years. Crazy.

And then there is entrapment. Where it is quiet clearly not designed to lower speeds but to catch people. I've been watching for these. There are the cameras that are placed just behind the yellow rodawork information signs so people don't see them till it is too late. Then there are the ones that are placed just in locations where you might be slightly exceeding the limit by accident- downhills or 50 meters after a dual carriageway when the limit has just been reduced etc etc.

Fact is , with few exceptions, if you are caught by a camera it means either it wasn't obvious or the speed sign wasn't, as the vast majority of people are not going to get a penalty notice deliberately. There is therefore an inverse relationship between the number of fines and the safety effectively of a camera.

Rant over.

p.s why am I thinking this is a bit off topic?

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