Si1 Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 At some point, you make a leap of faith and have to go with your gut feeling - do you trust the council, the developer, etc. etc. or do you simply buy somewhere else. But you can still be miffed about it. 'suppose so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 IMO, having sink estates is better than having people sleeping on the streets, which is whats about to happen unless someone gets their finger out and actually builds shelter that ordinary people can afford. If this doesn't happen, you'll see riots amd social unrest. No doubt about it. I don't think the nimbys will want petrol bombs spoiling their gardens, do you? nah - this just suppresses rents, not really much of a real housing shortage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopGun Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 (edited) IMO, having sink estates is better than having people sleeping on the streets, which is whats about to happen unless someone gets their finger out and actually builds shelter that ordinary people can afford. If this doesn't happen, you'll see riots amd social unrest. No doubt about it. I don't think the nimbys will want petrol bombs spoiling their gardens, do you? Nope, cheaper more accessible housing across the board would be more proactive. This means true affordable units of housing, not more reactive building of sink estate follies. Give people back the chance of social mobility and chance to aspire to better things. Too many people are born and die on sink estates, which will go down in history as one of our most momentous social failures. Throwing more wood onto the fire will help no one. Edited October 2, 2009 by PopGun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jister1 Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Fu*k 'em and their homes. These pr1cks need to be shown that they are subhuman filth. I hope we do get riots, because these bast4rds will be the first to get their houses torched. idiot. How would you feel if you got a house you had waitied on being built moved in and all was well ...then, all of a sudden life changed...you have a council estate in your back garden or as close as. What was the point in working hard all those years and saving the deposit when you could have went to the council and got one of these for ******all? Developers think they can do what they want...when everyone is spending they will not be interested in affordable housing...they want it now cause it's paying them. When the economy picks up they will want to sell us prime property again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wait & See Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Nope, cheaper more accessible housing across the board would be more proactive. This means true affordable units of housing, not more reactive building of sink estate follies. Give people back the chance of social mobility and chance to aspire to better things. Too many people are born and die on sink estates, which will go down in history as one of our most momentous social failures. Throwing more wood onto the fire will help no one. Fair enough. So it's build more shi1ty estates to house people or we get our massive HPC. Nimbys don't want any cheap property built but still want there crap house value to remain high. They are fuc*ing idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 idiot. How would you feel if you got a house you had waitied on being built moved in and all was well ...then, all of a sudden life changed...you have a council estate in your back garden or as close as. What was the point in working hard all those years and saving the deposit when you could have went to the council and got one of these for ******all? Developers think they can do what they want...when everyone is spending they will not be interested in affordable housing...they want it now cause it's paying them. When the economy picks up they will want to sell us prime property again. investment risk maybe you paid too much fools, again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Don't Surf Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Never really understood what the problem with NIMBYism was. The opposite is altruism which doesn't really exist in its true form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wait & See Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 idiot. How would you feel if you got a house you had waitied on being built moved in and all was well ...then, all of a sudden life changed...you have a council estate in your back garden or as close as. What was the point in working hard all those years and saving the deposit when you could have went to the council and got one of these for ******all? Developers think they can do what they want...when everyone is spending they will not be interested in affordable housing...they want it now cause it's paying them. When the economy picks up they will want to sell us prime property again. It's all about you isn't. This i'm alright so fu*k everyone else middle class attitude makes me sick. Your no better just because you took on a lifetimes worth of debt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stars Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 what will you say when the following are approved near you ? probation hostel pikey thieving gypsy ******* camp sexoffenders rehabilitation unit if I have paid X for Y and been told this is what is going here, There is the small matter of who you paid though, isn't there? You didn't pay anyone actually providing the 'pikey' or sex offender clearance services though, did you? You paid a landowner for services he self evidently is not providing and for the value of situations (the context of his site) that he had no responsibility for. That in a nutshell, is why the real estate market is so problematic and abusive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomberbrown Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 what will you say when the following are approved near you ? probation hostel pikey thieving gypsy ******* camp sexoffenders rehabilitation unit if I have paid X for Y and been told this is what is going here, I am well within my rights to be a bit miffed when that does not happen (and I should kick myself for believing a salesman). I'd love to know whether people would be happy about a whole new estate or a doubling of the size of the current one at the end of their road...... We're discussing affordable homes in case you were confused? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachman Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 We're discussing affordable homes in case you were confused? they are all ways in which people are being subsidised into housing for them - they are also seen as undesirable to have nearby to your home. Would you obejct to a nonce's hostel next door to you ? OK, what about a centre for recovering junkies, or perhaps a battered wives' shelter or a rescue centre for abandoned dogs ? See ? The NIMBYs were opposing something they had (presumably) been told wouldn't happen - deliberately or by omission. Yes, it was affordable housing, but being honest, ask yourself, if you had borrowed to buy a house and something was proposed that would cut the value of your purchase, would you not object to it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomberbrown Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I agree, however I think we've had enough decades of condensed social housing schemes to know that this propesed development will be doomed to be a sink estate within a decade of completion. I'm all for social housing, but why do they have to be blocks of flats or estates of 20 houses or more? Surely we've moved on from this out of date 60s socailist idea of 'affordabe' housing. Then we have the word affordable. even if the houses are two/three beds, they'll be anything but affordable and swallowed up by public or private landlords. Little but many is the key, rows/blocks of five or six houses scattered around (like they used to build in the old days). Pi55ing in the wind with regards to any so called housing shortage yes, but must be a better policy then building even more sink estates! I see what you're saying, but what I get annoyed about (not necessarily by you) is the lazy generalisation of: Affordable homes = Troublesome neighbours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Bowman Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I see what you're saying, but what I get annoyed about (not necessarily by you) is the lazy generalisation of: Affordable homes = Troublesome neighbours. Generally yes. I have lived in a development which had both and the difference was stark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 they are all ways in which people are being subsidised into housing for them - they are also seen as undesirable to have nearby to your home. Would you obejct to a nonce's hostel next door to you ? OK, what about a centre for recovering junkies, or perhaps a battered wives' shelter or a rescue centre for abandoned dogs ? See ? The NIMBYs were opposing something they had (presumably) been told wouldn't happen - deliberately or by omission. Yes, it was affordable housing, but being honest, ask yourself, if you had borrowed to buy a house and something was proposed that would cut the value of your purchase, would you not object to it ? nah - I just wouldn't overpay so much for it in the first place fools, once more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abharrisson Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I see what you're saying, but what I get annoyed about (not necessarily by you) is the lazy generalisation of: Affordable homes = Troublesome neighbours. I'd agree with you , but you'll also find that the pleading masses singing the hymns of "give us affordable housing" and "local homes for local people" are just as likely to want to somehow cook up a scheme to make thousands on their property, flog it for a profit and then buy somewhere else... I have no problem with them doing that of course, its just I find it rather hypocritical when " just having a home" was the plea they were using before they got the home . You'll find generalisations in all quarters of this debate I suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroSumGame Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 (edited) http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Anger-at-social-housing-plan.5694883.jp http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Homes-row-Homeowners-39knew-nothing.5695265.jp tw*ts There's been a poster Turnbull2000 replying in the Grauniad CIF, property relevant stuff - is that you per chance ? Edited October 2, 2009 by RockingHorse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroSumGame Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 what will you say when the following are approved near you ? probation hostel pikey thieving gypsy ******* camp sexoffenders rehabilitation unit if I have paid X for Y and been told this is what is going here, I am well within my rights to be a bit miffed when that does not happen (and I should kick myself for believing a salesman). I'd love to know whether people would be happy about a whole new estate or a doubling of the size of the current one at the end of their road...... Answer : "wish I hadn't bought off-plan/Below-market-value/designer/luxury/life-style des-res ! " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny5thumbs Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 It's all about you isn't. This i'm alright so fu*k everyone else middle class attitude makes me sick. Your no better just because you took on a lifetimes worth of debt. So sorry you're offended, Wait-and-See, but cheer up - not all the country is controlled by nimbys. For example, there's lots of really great affordable housing up in Skelmersdale. It's solidly built, in a rather appealing 'defensive architectiure' style of construction. Many regular HPC'ers are familiar with them, and I can direct you to the links if you like. I'm sure people in gated £600k developments are just as guilty as of popping over next door's wall to do a spot of robbing, or disassembling broken motor bikes on the living room carpet whilst playing Metallica through a 2k sound rig as any affordable housing dweller. Some people are just so prejudiced - pah ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wait & See Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 So sorry you're offended, Wait-and-See, but cheer up - not all the country is controlled by nimbys. For example, there's lots of really great affordable housing up in Skelmersdale. It's solidly built, in a rather appealing 'defensive architectiure' style of construction. Many regular HPC'ers are familiar with them, and I can direct you to the links if you like. I'm sure people in gated £600k developments are just as guilty as of popping over next door's wall to do a spot of robbing, or disassembling broken motor bikes on the living room carpet whilst playing Metallica through a 2k sound rig as any affordable housing dweller. Some people are just so prejudiced - pah ! People in gated £600k developments should be more worried about not getting there homes burned down, than thieving off each other. Most are drug dealing / bank working filth anyway. Driving an X5 has never made anyone a decent person. Remember that one old man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny5thumbs Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 People in gated £600k developments should be more worried about not getting there homes burned down, than thieving off each other. Most are drug dealing / bank working filth anyway. Driving an X5 has never made anyone a decent person. Remember that one old man. I've got a free bus pass. What's an X5 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wait & See Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I've got a free bus pass. What's an X5 ? I bet you've got a recreational 4x4 tucked away. Come on, admit to that Chelsea tractor. You're amongst friends here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny5thumbs Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 I bet you've got a recreational 4x4 tucked away. Come on, admit to that Chelsea tractor. You're amongst friends here. with friends like these, who needs ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manterik Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Anger-at-social-housing-plan.5694883.jp http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Homes-row-Homeowners-39knew-nothing.5695265.jp tw*ts I don't blame them, at best they have been misled at worse lied to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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