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I would imagine the Blair is hated amongst the tories even more than he is in the country at large.

Would this not increase the chances of Cameron giving the country a referendum?

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Yes!! Tony Blair will be back bigger and better than before.

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Im so happy :D

How long till the UK joins the Euro? seriously?

Thats not how the Murdoch neo-lib sister paper see's it...

From today's Times

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6856174.ece

"......Paris and Berlin, reverting to the old idea of a two-speed Europe, aim to push ahead with a separate headquarters for European defence and the promotion of industrial champions. Britain wants none of that. The scheme, already far advanced, will follow this week’s repeat referendum in the Irish Republic on the Lisbon treaty, whether the vote is “yes” or “no”.

A casualty of the deal, hammered out in secret and involving all main ministries since last spring, is likely to be Franco-German backing for Tony Blair as the first president of the EU, diplomats said. The post opens if the Lisbon treaty is ratified.

Among alternatives being considered are Felipe González, the former Socialist Prime Minister of Spain, and Jean-Claude Juncker, the long-serving Prime Minister of Luxembourg.

“Tony Blair is a man of the past and the United Kingdom is no longer any model,” said a French diplomat......... "

Thanks god for Merkl and Sarkozy ;)

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Thats not how the Murdoch neo-lib sister paper see's it...

From today's Times

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6856174.ece

"......Paris and Berlin, reverting to the old idea of a two-speed Europe, aim to push ahead with a separate headquarters for European defence and the promotion of industrial champions. Britain wants none of that. The scheme, already far advanced, will follow this week’s repeat referendum in the Irish Republic on the Lisbon treaty, whether the vote is “yes” or “no”.

A casualty of the deal, hammered out in secret and involving all main ministries since last spring, is likely to be Franco-German backing for Tony Blair as the first president of the EU, diplomats said. The post opens if the Lisbon treaty is ratified.

Among alternatives being considered are Felipe González, the former Socialist Prime Minister of Spain, and Jean-Claude Juncker, the long-serving Prime Minister of Luxembourg.

“Tony Blair is a man of the past and the United Kingdom is no longer any model,” said a French diplomat......... "

Thanks god for Merkl and Sarkozy ;)

Tony will get it no prob. Who the hell is going to listen to some french dipo?

They all love tony...plus he is one of them...he's one of the...reptiles. david Ike knows all about him.... Bush is one too. Just look at the eyes.

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18 months top before we are in the Euro - just wait for the next crisis.

As for Blair, the EU could make him Pres just to wind up the Tories.

The Tories could recommend Blair just to alienate the UK population from the EU.

Politicians are like Corporates now - they have little or no loyalty to the country of birth as long as they can keep on the gravy train IMPO.

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I would imagine the Blair is hated amongst the tories even more than he is in the country at large.

Would this not increase the chances of Cameron giving the country a referendum?

they will posture but when push comes to shove they will do nothing

there will be no referendums on europe by the tories

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18 months top before we are in the Euro - just wait for the next crisis.

As for Blair, the EU could make him Pres just to wind up the Tories.

The Tories could recommend Blair just to alienate the UK population from the EU.

Politicians are like Corporates now - they have little or no loyalty to the country of birth as long as they can keep on the gravy train IMPO.

I agree with all of that.

I really do think we are heading for the Euro. When it comes down to what we have in our pocket not being worth a jott....and we have the oppertunity of a decent exchange rate for our worthless paper...we will be begging them to let us join......and guess what...Tony will be standing at the gates with his arms open....welcoming all his people :D

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I agree with all of that.

I really do think we are heading for the Euro. When it comes down to what we have in our pocket not being worth a jott....and we have the oppertunity of a decent exchange rate for our worthless paper...we will be begging them to let us join......and guess what...Tony will be standing at the gates with his arms open....welcoming all his people :D

You may be right but I wouldn't rule out the Czechs putting a spanner in the NWO/ Bilderberger plan for a year or two anyway..........their control mechanisms are not totally as complete in that part of the world.

As for Tony that is a truly nauseating thought; a man who would shed false tears over the death of someone half a world away and not even notice if you fell down dead in front of him.

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I think the Tories will actually be very happy if Blair gets in since it will make the case for them in the unlikely event they have the guts to put continued EU membership to a referendum (which is what a vote on a ratified Lisbon treaty would be effectively). From that point of view, about the only person that would be a better choice than Blair that I can think of is Rose West.

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The whole idea we are going to be led into Europe without the referedum we were promised, since it wouldn't be what those aboard the gravy train want frankly makes me despair. Are we a democracy (that's rhetorical)?

Tony Blair at helm just adds insult to injury.

I will be looking to Cameron to give difinitive promises to getting the UK out of this should he win the GE next year.

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The whole idea we are going to be led into Europe without the referedum we were promised, since it wouldn't be what those aboard the gravy train want frankly makes me despair. Are we a democracy (that's rhetorical)?

Tony Blair at helm just adds insult to injury.

I will be looking to Cameron to give difinitive promises to getting the UK out of this should he win the GE next year.

I do not think it will matter who wins the GE. It will be a batton swap and more of the same. EU is incomplete without the UK and they want us in ...and the lizards want us in...DC will appease them rather than fight them. It will all be for our own good...that's what we will be told and by all acounts we will believe them.

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They were under communism

Yes that is correct and under occupation first by the Germans and latterly by the Soviets. Before that they were actually emerging into a very successful independent state with a notably strong base of free enterprise till they were sold down the river in 1938.

None of that invalidates my point though that there are challenges to EU dominance that may emerge from that direction.

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I think we can all agree that those loyal voters all over Europe who've voted for Tony to become president will be well chuffed if this comes to pass.

Pardon?

Also, they're asking the Irish again? :lol:

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Thats not how the Murdoch neo-lib sister paper see's it...

From today's Times

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6856174.ece

"......Paris and Berlin, reverting to the old idea of a two-speed Europe, aim to push ahead with a separate headquarters for European defence and the promotion of industrial champions. Britain wants none of that. The scheme, already far advanced, will follow this week’s repeat referendum in the Irish Republic on the Lisbon treaty, whether the vote is “yes” or “no”.

A casualty of the deal, hammered out in secret and involving all main ministries since last spring, is likely to be Franco-German backing for Tony Blair as the first president of the EU, diplomats said. The post opens if the Lisbon treaty is ratified.

Among alternatives being considered are Felipe González, the former Socialist Prime Minister of Spain, and Jean-Claude Juncker, the long-serving Prime Minister of Luxembourg.

“Tony Blair is a man of the past and the United Kingdom is no longer any model,” said a French diplomat......... "

Thanks god for Merkl and Sarkozy ;)

And for the online petition against Blair which I signed up to, before the Irish threw out Lisbon a year ago.

I'll have to find it and post it.

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So are we ;)

Love you signiture. How many people fall down after 30 minutes of trying ?

We as people...collectivley are so weak. Thats why change never happens.

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I agree with all of that.

I really do think we are heading for the Euro. When it comes down to what we have in our pocket not being worth a jott....and we have the oppertunity of a decent exchange rate for our worthless paper...we will be begging them to let us join......and guess what...Tony will be standing at the gates with his arms open....welcoming all his people :D

And their printer works much better than ours? :rolleyes:

We need to stop looking to the EU to solve our problems and just sort them out ourselves. Do you think we are incapable of this?

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And their printer works much better than ours? :rolleyes:

We need to stop looking to the EU to solve our problems and just sort them out ourselves. Do you think we are incapable of this?

No ....we could get along just fine...even though we are in a serious state right now. I just think that we are destined for the EU because the end game is Global Governance.

It will be so much easier for this to evolve if we are all part of one union, the American Union and the European Uninion will merge and dominate the rest of the world or look to merge even further.

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No ....we could get along just fine...even though we are in a serious state right now. I just think that we are destined for the EU because the end game is Global Governance.

It will be so much easier for this to evolve if we are all part of one union, the American Union and the European Uninion will merge and dominate the rest of the world or look to merge even further.

But the people dont want that, and with the coming depression in Europe all politicans are going to be forced to look towards their own country, a move to the right wing, and protectionism is my prediction.

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But the people dont want that, and with the coming depression in Europe all politicans are going to be forced to look towards their own country, a move to the right wing, and protectionism is my prediction.

I agree the people do not want that. Since when did what the people want count? We will get what the powers want. They want, they get!

I just hate the waiting around. Can they just not produce some guidelines of what they want to achieve and then take us there as fast as they can...... oh..I see ...we need to want it first....so more suffering before we say it's for the best.....it makes sense!

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No ....we could get along just fine...even though we are in a serious state right now. I just think that we are destined for the EU because the end game is Global Governance.

It will be so much easier for this to evolve if we are all part of one union, the American Union and the European Uninion will merge and dominate the rest of the world or look to merge even further.

If we don't want that end game, then we should vote against it. If the parties won't give us this vote, we should vote against them. They are supposed to represent, not do as they please. It is about time they were reminded of this.

Beyond the above, we have to ask why such unions are formed. Trade is important, but you don't need a federal EU for this - you just need some simple trade agreements. In fact, this is what EFTA does and, if I understand correctly, what the original EEC aimed to be.

Beyond trade, they talk of influencing the rest of the world - I am quite sure the rest of the world has had enough of our influence and especially that of the US. Quite frankly, it is none of our business. Countless wars and much poverty is caused at the hand of the wise west. I want no part of such behaviour - I am sick of it!

But the people dont want that, and with the coming depression in Europe all politicans are going to be forced to look towards their own country, a move to the right wing, and protectionism is my prediction.

There will certainly be change, but there may be more of a rejection of the authoritarian state in general, rather than a shift in its focus.

We have the power to change it if people want it either way. If you keep pushing people into a corner, eventually they will react... often with irrational force too.

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