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National Service for ALL 17-19 year olds.

Also for anyone who hasn't worked or tried to work - i.e. the benefit contingent who aren't genuinely off.

Also 18months compulsary for all criminals once they leave jail.

Whilst I would hate to see government get any larger than it all ready is, this could be a good plan for the rebuilding that our country needs. It could also pay for itself by reducing the state as I propose the payment for the service be at the same level as current dole.

Proposed work areas -

Care of the elderly

Maintenance of all government buildings

Repairing Infrastructure

Building new Infrastructure

etc etc

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National Service for ALL 17-19 year olds.

Also for anyone who hasn't worked or tried to work - i.e. the benefit contingent who aren't genuinely off.

Also 18months compulsary for all criminals once they leave jail.

Whilst I would hate to see government get any larger than it all ready is, this could be a good plan for the rebuilding that our country needs. It could also pay for itself by reducing the state as I propose the payment for the service be at the same level as current dole.

Proposed work areas -

Care of the elderly

Maintenance of all government buildings

Repairing Infrastructure

Building new Infrastructure

etc etc

Slavery?

No thanks.

Evil.

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National Service for ALL 17-19 year olds.

Also for anyone who hasn't worked or tried to work - i.e. the benefit contingent who aren't genuinely off.

Also 18months compulsary for all criminals once they leave jail.

Whilst I would hate to see government get any larger than it all ready is, this could be a good plan for the rebuilding that our country needs. It could also pay for itself by reducing the state as I propose the payment for the service be at the same level as current dole.

Proposed work areas -

Care of the elderly

Maintenance of all government buildings

Repairing Infrastructure

Building new Infrastructure

etc etc

Presumably one would have to pay at least minimum wage if you are going to get people to work, rather than benefits rates, so I don't see this as saving any money.

Edited by Basildon Bond

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Slavery?

No thanks.

Evil.

Hardly. I'm not proposing working kids and stray adults into the ground, but merely teaching them about society and in order to improve our community. A 35 hour week should suffice.

A level of respect is missing from all school leavers, whether working class, middle class or public school. All kids and those that rely on the state need to understand better community values.

This would improve our country by a long way. many would pick up valuable skills that lead to gainfull employment in the productive private sector.

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If it was done correctly then it would be a good thing IMO.

However given this governments track record it would be mass of red tape and then would be watered down to a voluntary activity that was overly expensive and didn't give a lot back.

I think they have a similar type of thing in Japan. Whenever I went past any road works there always seemed to be a man waving a flag for all his worth. I was surprised to see this in a country known for it's efficiency, but someone told me that these people were unemployed and were made to do something in order to collect what ever benefits they were entitled to.

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If it was done correctly then it would be a good thing IMO.

However given this governments track record it would be mass of red tape and then would be watered down to a voluntary activity that was overly expensive and didn't give a lot back.

I think they have a similar type of thing in Japan. Whenever I went past any road works there always seemed to be a man waving a flag for all his worth. I was surprised to see this in a country known for it's efficiency, but someone told me that these people were unemployed and were made to do something in order to collect what ever benefits they were entitled to.

And if youv'e ever been to Japan which I had the pleasure to do you will find no chavs. Not one. The country is a beautiful place to visit. The respect amongst society is exceptional.

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Can you imagine the cost of the dozens of middlemen agencies and companys set up to run it though?

I think there should be an element of "no giving no getting" to benefits. The dolites who don't want a job need a kick up the pants.

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National Service for ALL 17-19 year olds.

Also for anyone who hasn't worked or tried to work - i.e. the benefit contingent who aren't genuinely off.

Also 18months compulsary for all criminals once they leave jail.

Whilst I would hate to see government get any larger than it all ready is, this could be a good plan for the rebuilding that our country needs. It could also pay for itself by reducing the state as I propose the payment for the service be at the same level as current dole.

Proposed work areas -

Care of the elderly

Maintenance of all government buildings

Repairing Infrastructure

Building new Infrastructure

etc etc

It's difficult to square your avatar logo stating "Less Goverment, More Liberty" with this point of view, sir.

EDIT - Misquoting OP's avatar.

Edited by Pacific State

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National Service for ALL 17-19 year olds.

Also for anyone who hasn't worked or tried to work - i.e. the benefit contingent who aren't genuinely off.

Also 18months compulsary for all criminals once they leave jail.

Whilst I would hate to see government get any larger than it all ready is, this could be a good plan for the rebuilding that our country needs. It could also pay for itself by reducing the state as I propose the payment for the service be at the same level as current dole.

Proposed work areas -

Care of the elderly

Maintenance of all government buildings

Repairing Infrastructure

Building new Infrastructure

etc etc

Already on now. Proposed work areas:

- Anything the company they go to want them to (company will be paid by the hour for providing this).

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Hardly. I'm not proposing working kids and stray adults into the ground, but merely teaching them about society and in order to improve our community. A 35 hour week should suffice.

A level of respect is missing from all school leavers, whether working class, middle class or public school. All kids and those that rely on the state need to understand better community values.

This would improve our country by a long way. many would pick up valuable skills that lead to gainfull employment in the productive private sector.

It's slavery.

Evil.

Knock it off.

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Slavery?

No thanks.

Evil.

Paying people money to sit at home for 2 generations of a family is a slavery.

Getting people to work for that money is not.

Sometimes you are so messed up in your thinking.

Money for nothing is the problem.

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It's difficult to square your avatar logo stating "Less Goverment, More Liberty" with this point of view, sir.

EDIT - Misquoting OP's avatar.

If you read my posts I state I don't wan't to enlarge government. This scheme would do the opposite. Firstly by employing youngsters, ex criminals, benefit cheats on a low salary (we all started on less than min wage) we could reduce the many government workers these youngsters would replace.

By reducing corporation tax to around 10-12% for new productive businesses, all the replaced high earning public sector workers could then take gainfull employment within the newly created productive private sector.

Also the financial (as well as social) burden on society would be reduced as these youngsters and others would go on to lead better lives. They would be better skilled. They would have a respect for work and for the country.

Those youngsters that shouldn't really go to University as they are more vocationally minded than academic would be well trained for future work. The brat pack academic lot (which I once were) would go on to University with much better incentive to work hard in order to get their degrees now that they had tasted life in the real world.

Whether your Labour or Tory, this would help sort out our country.

Edited by ringledman

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Hardly. I'm not proposing working kids and stray adults into the ground, but merely teaching them about society and in order to improve our community. A 35 hour week should suffice.

A level of respect is missing from all school leavers, whether working class, middle class or public school. All kids and those that rely on the state need to understand better community values.

This would improve our country by a long way. many would pick up valuable skills that lead to gainfull employment in the productive private sector.

There is a level of respect missing in quite a lot of people, there are no real community values.

Can we apply this plan to pensioners as well? Could it rehabilitate bankers?

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It's slavery.

Evil.

Knock it off.

This is what is so wrong with our country. Guardian reading, politically correct socialists who think we can solve our social problems through a softly approach to work.

What a load of crap. Hard work which gives people future skills and respect for others is what we need.

Damn it drives me mad the way Nulabour think outside the real world.

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If people currently on the dole, living in council houses and collecting lots of benefits were made to work what could be described as menial jobs it might make them look for a more satisfying form of employment. As people have pointed out getting money for nothing is a big problem.

If you're born into that life what options have you got? Work hard at school and get a job and then find that people who didn't bother at all have a better standard of living from the benefits the government give them.

What type of incentive is that?

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This is what is so wrong with our country. Guardian reading, politically correct socialists who think we can solve our social problems through a softly approach to work.

Countries don't exist. No one owes you a living - and this includes playing soldiers for you.

What a load of crap. Hard work which gives people future skills and respect for others is what we need.

It's slavery. No one owes you anything, and you have no right to force them to do things.

If you want people to pointlessly run up and down hills while dressed in khaki, earn money and pay them to do so (if they agree.)

Damn it drives me mad the way Nulabour think outside the real world.

You haven't read any of my posts before have you? :lol:

Edited by Injin

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This is what is so wrong with our country. Guardian reading, politically correct socialists who think we can solve our social problems through a softly approach to work.

What a load of crap. Hard work which gives people future skills and respect for others is what we need.

Damn it drives me mad the way Nulabour think outside the real world.

Injin's right.

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Slavery?

No thanks.

Evil.

I will take it your too young to have served in the National Service. So am I, but I have worked with guys who did do National Service plenty of them in fact. I can tell you not one ever said it was a bad idea, in fact every single one of them and I am talking 50 to 60 guys, said it should be compulsory still. They had a common thread of it being a great leveler, it brought up the shy guys and took down the bullies. It taught the guys self discipline and turned boys who were lost into men. It taught the men to respect others, rules and the laws. Everyone said it did them good. They said they came out better for it and better balanced with far fewer chips on shoulders. They came out proud and full of self confidence.

I see feral yobs with no goal in life wasting their time doing drugs and worse, their faces have a look of despair. You called NS slavery, if it is, everyone I have ever talked about put those two years at the very top of the best years of their lives. How can you argue with that! Best of all, they made friends for life.

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I will take it your too young to have served in the National Service. So am I, but I have worked with guys who did do National Service plenty of them in fact. I can tell you not one ever said it was a bad idea, in fact every single one of them and I am talking 50 to 60 guys, said it should be compulsory still. They had a common thread of it being a great leveler, it brought up the shy guys and took down the bullies. It taught the guys self discipline and turned boys who were lost into men. It taught the men to respect others, rules and the laws. Everyone said it did them good. They said they came out better for it and better balanced with far fewer chips on shoulders. They came out proud and full of self confidence.

It's slavery.

I see feral yobs with no goal in life wasting their time doing drugs and worse, their faces have a look of despair. You called NS slavery, if it is, everyone I have ever talked about put those two years at the very top of the best years of their lives. How can you argue with that!

Easy - it's evil.

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I will take it your too young to have served in the National Service. So am I, but I have worked with guys who did do National Service plenty of them in fact. I can tell you not one ever said it was a bad idea, in fact every single one of them and I am talking 50 to 60 guys, said it should be compulsory still. They had a common thread of it being a great leveler, it brought up the shy guys and took down the bullies. It taught the guys self discipline and turned boys who were lost into men. It taught the men to respect others, rules and the laws. Everyone said it did them good. They said they came out better for it and better balanced with far fewer chips on shoulders. They came out proud and full of self confidence.

I see feral yobs with no goal in life wasting their time doing drugs and worse, their faces have a look of despair. You called NS slavery, if it is, everyone I have ever talked about put those two years at the very top of the best years of their lives. How can you argue with that! Best of all, they made friends for life.

Bl00dy good telescope on you yacht, Tim!

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National Service for ALL 17-19 year olds.

Building new Infrastructure

etc etc

When I am King I would always have criminals and benefit scroungers doing all of the menial things in society.

Why import goods when we can use their labour?

And the fittest female ones could make me venison sandwiches.

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And if youv'e ever been to Japan which I had the pleasure to do you will find no chavs. Not one. The country is a beautiful place to visit. The respect amongst society is exceptional.

Try living there and then get back to us hopefully with a good few caveats on what you've written above.

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