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Revealed: top NHS doctors’ gravy train

Five hundred senior doctors are sharing a £30 million pot of public money to boost their incomes while frontline services are being threatened with savage cuts, a Sunday Herald investigation has revealed.

NHS consultants are pocketing an extra £74,000 a year in “distinction awards†as a way of topping up salaries of almost £100,000. Politicians from Labour, the

Liberal Democrats and the SNP have united in calling for urgent reform of the system.

The Scottish government has called for spending restraint as a way of protecting the most vital public services.

However, the Sunday Herald can reveal that the Scottish administration is set to spend £30m next year on topping up the incomes of wealthy doctors – a near 7% rise from 2009.

Under the Distinction Awards scheme, the payments are made yearly until a consultant retires, when the subsidy is added to the doctors’ final salary pension calculation.

The health department has earmarked less money for specialist children’s services and mental wellbeing combined than it has for consultant awards next year.

While the distinction awards will command £30m of the budget, tobacco control has been given £12.3m and health screening £8.5m – a cut of almost £6m from the previous year.

Cathy Jamieson, Labour’s shadow health secretary, said: “The public will find these payments difficult to understand, particularly at a time when money is tight in the NHS.â€

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/health/...-train-1.922349

They are all at it. The average worker is going to see their income drop when taxes rise, if they still have a job. Meanwhile the excesses at the top are just spiralling.

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They are all at it. The average worker is going to see their income drop when taxes rise, if they still have a job. Meanwhile the excesses at the top are just spiralling.

What politicians say and do are two very different things.

Wait and see, the NHS will get its comeuppance!

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What politicians say and do are two very different things.

Wait and see, the NHS will get its comeuppance!

the problem is that it is always the patient that suffers at the bottom of the chain no matter who gets their commupance further up.

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Wait and see, the NHS will get its comeuppance!

What do you think will happen?

After having years of pay excesses at the higher levels do you think they may have a temporary pay freeze? So the lower paid will see their standard of living diminish but the highest paid are still comfortable.

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What do you think will happen?

After having years of pay excesses at the higher levels do you think they may have a temporary pay freeze? So the lower paid will see their standard of living diminish but the highest paid are still comfortable.

I think new hospital builds will stop. NICE will get less so; we simply cannot afford the new wonder drugs. Obese people and smokers will void their right to heart transplants and cancer treatment other than paliative care.

I do think top level staff, like the rest of the public sector, will see scathing cuts.

Thier pensions system is a ripe for a raping.

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What do you think will happen?

After having years of pay excesses at the higher levels do you think they may have a temporary pay freeze? So the lower paid will see their standard of living diminish but the highest paid are still comfortable.

The higher paid make all the decisions, it's unlikely many of them will be affected.

It will be the lower paid worker who will suffer as the management will decide they are not needed. The top doctors will know they'll have to cut around 10 support staff to keep their wages.

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The higher paid make all the decisions, it's unlikely many of them will be affected.

It will be the lower paid worker who will suffer as the management will decide they are not needed. The top doctors will know they'll have to cut around 10 support staff to keep their wages.

Thats why an external body will do the chopping. Turkeys dont vote for christmas. The next government (Tory) will have to try and ensure public service cuts have minimal effect on output as possible. This is why if you are top or middle level management, have a non-job or dont contribute to output, you should be shitting it right now.

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I think new hospital builds will stop. NICE will get less so; we simply cannot afford the new wonder drugs. Obese people and smokers will void their right to heart transplants and cancer treatment other than paliative care.

I do think top level staff, like the rest of the public sector, will see scathing cuts.

Thier pensions system is a ripe for a raping.

so if you're fat or smoke and have a curable cancer you think people should be left to die instead of offered a life saving treatment?

Bit harsh isn't it?

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so if you're fat or smoke and have a curable cancer you think people should be left to die instead of offered a life saving treatment?

Bit harsh isn't it?

Harsh? Yes. Give a ******?

No.

They can be cured, but their drugs funding should come out of their state pension. Why should I be punished for fat slugs laziness or tabbers lack of will to quit?

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Obese people and smokers will void their right to heart transplants and cancer treatment other than paliative care.

I doubt they'll target obese people, aren't half the population clinically obese these days?

It might make financial sense to target the obese and it might encourage people to lose weight which to be frank is in their interests. But I can't see the NHS withholding treatment.

A fat tax on unhealthy food that lower income groups tend to buy might be on the cards. This is of course to protect people from themselves, not robbing them blind to pay for the excesses of other social classes.

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I doubt they'll target obese people, aren't half the population clinically obese these days?

It might make financial sense to target the obese and it might encourage people to lose weight which to be frank is in their interests. But I can't see the NHS withholding treatment.

A fat tax on unhealthy food that lower income groups tend to buy might be on the cards. This is of course to protect people from themselves, not robbing them blind to pay for the excesses of other social classes.

The only excesses I see are fat lazy people with no job expecting cash to sit on their ever increasing behinds to bring up their trogolodyte children.

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Don't forget the coming minimum price for alcohol to help protect the public from enjoying a drink. The increasingly unemployed public have a bottomless pit of money to pay more everything to maintain the excessive pay levels that are sucking so much money out of the economy.

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They are all at it. The average worker is going to see their income drop when taxes rise, if they still have a job. Meanwhile the excesses at the top are just spiralling.

The top awards-say 110k, are very few. These are reserved for the heads of the (two in Scotland) Royal Colleges.

All awards are given via open competition on a standard application via panels which contain lay memebers of the public, CEOs of trust etc. and for most doctors refelect work done OVER AND ABOVE THEIR CONTRACTED HOURS.

The higher awards go to those running clinical trials looking for cures for cancer, vascular disease, dementia etc. and often these doctors do little or no private practice due to time consraints or personal choice.

Yes. We are just like politicians and bankers.

So pay us what you pay top bankers-give us a rise.

OK seriously, part of our culture that's wrong is a refusal to value people who make a difference.

This sentiment makes life worse, not better. I bet the author thinks it is value for money to pay player x 40 grand per week to play for Celtic.

Nick

Edited by SurgeonGeneral

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Yes. We are just like politicians and bankers.

So pay us what you pay top bankers-give us a rise.

OK seriously, part of our culture that's wrong is a refusal to value people who make a difference.

I can understand doctors wanting more gravy. They are unlikely to be deaf and blind so will know about the NHS excesses in other parts of the country.

Stuff like a Rotherham nurse earning £100k

http://www.thestar.co.uk/rotherham/Nurse-b...ier-.4747247.jp

NHS bosses receiving 2nd home allowances

http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/media/200...home-perk-.html

General articles:

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/extract/332/7537/319

http://www.vernoncoleman.com/dyingg.htm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/1576999/...vity-falls.html

http://www.kingsfund.org.uk/what_we_do/art...hs_deficit.html

But don't worry about it. It's only what is going on in all over. Just look at largely useless TV people who don't save lives. Jonathan Ross (£6m a year), Anne Robinson (£3m a year) and this week a chap couldn't agree terms with ITV because he wanted £42m but was only offered £25m for 5 years

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/busi...icle6850375.ece

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:blink: open competition in the state sector?!

contradiction of terms surely.

Open competition amongst doctors. If you want to get the qualifications and put up with the amount of sh1t you have to go through to become a Consultant then you can play too.

So a very small percentage of Consultants (at least 10 years from appointment) top up their wages (average starting salary about £80,000) by applying for awards that are given on the basis of additional duties. May make up for years getting paid jack all as a junior doctor (starting salary about £25,000), when peers of similar intelligence are earning vastly more. Oh yeah, they're all on the gravy train.

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The top awards-say 110k, are very few. These are reserved for the heads of the (two in Scotland) Royal Colleges.

All awards are given via open competition on a standard application via panels which contain lay memebers of the public, CEOs of trust etc. and for most doctors refelect work done OVER AND ABOVE THEIR CONTRACTED HOURS.

The higher awards go to those running clinical trials looking for cures for cancer, vascular disease, dementia etc. and often these doctors do little or no private practice due to time consraints or personal choice.

Yes. We are just like politicians and bankers.

So pay us what you pay top bankers-give us a rise.

OK seriously, part of our culture that's wrong is a refusal to value people who make a difference.

This sentiment makes life worse, not better. I bet the author thinks it is value for money to pay player x 40 grand per week to play for Celtic.

Nick

nobody has ever earned £40k a wk at Celtic !!!

and being a die hard TIM myself I also agree that NO footballer is worth this amount

one of the highest paid players at the club at the moment earns 10-12k / wk

and he's demanding £20k as far as I'm concerned he can GTF

I think its about time doctors got the pay they deserve

but its only an elite that do

Nurses should get a sh1tload more as well imo

max wage for a football player should = no more than a doctor ever

same goes for all the fuds on tv

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