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PROFESSOR DAVID NUTT, ADVISORY COUNCIL ON THE MISUSE OF DRUGS

"Some individuals do get unpleasant mental reactions but they are relatively small in number.

"We are not convinced that moving it to Class B with the possibility of five years' imprisonment for possession will have any beneficial effects.

"There are potential risks of criminalising people who are using a drug which doesn't harm other people, only themselves.

"Alcohol is more harmful [than cannabis] - to the population, certainly, and to the individual, possibly."

DANNY KUSHLICK, DRUGS POLICY THINK TANK TRANSFORM

"Nobody is going to be put off smoking cannabis by the decision to reclassify it.

"It's a decision that has been taken for political reasons, to trump the Tories' law and order agenda, rather than for any scientific reason.

"Our position is - if cannabis can be dangerous to a few, yet two million people regularly smoke it - we should have a regulated and supervised market for it, rather than putting its distribution in the hands of criminals."

BOB, CANNABIS USER

Bob is a 45-year-old IT worker who lives in a town on the Kent coast and has been using cannabis for 26 years. He says he smokes "five to 25" joints a day.

"What I'd like to ask politicians is what harm am I doing by staying in, rolling a few spliffs [joints] and watching television?

"Maybe I should be out down the pub, getting pissed, getting in punch-ups and shouting my head off? That seems the establishment's preferred option.

"The only harm I do is to my own lungs. The fact that I'm considered a criminal is, I think, a fundamental breach of my human rights."

Gotta Love BOB

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PROFESSOR DAVID NUTT, ADVISORY COUNCIL ON THE MISUSE OF DRUGS

"Some individuals do get unpleasant mental reactions but they are relatively small in number.

"We are not convinced that moving it to Class B with the possibility of five years' imprisonment for possession will have any beneficial effects.

"There are potential risks of criminalising people who are using a drug which doesn't harm other people, only themselves.

"Alcohol is more harmful [than cannabis] - to the population, certainly, and to the individual, possibly."

DANNY KUSHLICK, DRUGS POLICY THINK TANK TRANSFORM

"Nobody is going to be put off smoking cannabis by the decision to reclassify it.

"It's a decision that has been taken for political reasons, to trump the Tories' law and order agenda, rather than for any scientific reason.

"Our position is - if cannabis can be dangerous to a few, yet two million people regularly smoke it - we should have a regulated and supervised market for it, rather than putting its distribution in the hands of criminals."

BOB, CANNABIS USER

Bob is a 45-year-old IT worker who lives in a town on the Kent coast and has been using cannabis for 26 years. He says he smokes "five to 25" joints a day.

"What I'd like to ask politicians is what harm am I doing by staying in, rolling a few spliffs [joints] and watching television?

"Maybe I should be out down the pub, getting pissed, getting in punch-ups and shouting my head off? That seems the establishment's preferred option.

"The only harm I do is to my own lungs. The fact that I'm considered a criminal is, I think, a fundamental breach of my human rights."

Gotta Love BOB

:)

FREE THE WEED!!!!!!!!!!

I've been shmoking it for nearly 30 yrs

and been convicted and jailed for mere posession in 1984

just made me more determined to say FEKK YOU FASCISTS!

I gave up alcohol when I was 20

its a far more dangerous substance and you are almost compelled by peer pressure to

get pished , as its a manly thing to do !!

My erchie it is

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Any party that wanted to do this gets my vote.

It's dogma pure and simple.

But, Skunk weed and the newer stuff was so rare when I was a student, and into this scene in the 90's. It was an expensive treat that most people didn't really go for because it was so strong (like the Vodka of the weed world).

The normal stuff was a resin which comparatively was like a pint of Carling Black Label (and Carling before it got made stronger to be a "premium" lager).

There is an argument for controlling, or at least warning people of the strength differences, and for creating a strategy to help people who smoke too much, same as we do with alcohol, and to find a way of controlling driving under the influence.

Keep it illegal, but tax it. It's doublespeak but Labour are very good at it, I'm sure theres a way to keep in line with the UN treaty but do something positive to stop the gangster trade. Maybe allow a couple of plants each to be grown for use at home? Allow only small amounts to be carried? It's only valuable because it's illegal and there's such a massive market for it.

After a point in my life it just made me feel crap and anxious, so I stopped, but there's something quite magical about seeing a sunset, or a good film when moderately (not massively) stoned.

TFH

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FREE THE WEED!!!!!!!!!!

I've been shmoking it for nearly 30 yrs

and been convicted and jailed for mere posession in 1984

just made me more determined to say FEKK YOU FASCISTS!

I gave up alcohol when I was 20

its a far more dangerous substance and you are almost compelled by peer pressure to

get pished , as its a manly thing to do !!

My erchie it is

Respect to you

I cannot believe people go to jail for this in this day and age. This has become a human rights issue now.

Who are the real criminals?

1. Bankers

2. Politicians

3. Global corporations

not weed smokers

what is going on? Now that Numpy Jackie spliff has gone can we have a review

How comes alcohol is not incorporated into the missue of Drugs act? How much criminal damage will be donr tonight in the UK thanks to alcohol, how much of tax payers money will be wasted on police tonight?

How many people will die tonight or this weekend due to an alcohol related incident?

Pleas lets sort this silly policy out

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FREE THE WEED!!!!!!!!!!

I've been shmoking it for nearly 30 yrs

and been convicted and jailed for mere posession in 1984

just made me more determined to say FEKK YOU FASCISTS!

I gave up alcohol when I was 20

its a far more dangerous substance and you are almost compelled by peer pressure to

get pished , as its a manly thing to do !!

My erchie it is

You from the weege mate!

Celtic man?

lol...smoking the pipe of peice....is bad for the brain cells...hence you supporting celtic :)

good Idea to leagalise and tax it though!!

could be the next boom....puff!

Edited by Jister1

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I smoked a fair bit 17-21 never daily but with friends as you might enjoy a drink. When I got to university the drug of choice was booze and I used to get hammered regularly. Then when I left I settled into a pattern of infrequent boozey binges with one group of friends and even less frequent drug addled parties with another.

I'm sure some government Czar would want to tell me its their choice how, when and how often I get mashed off my scallops on god knows what but quite frankly they can shove it past the second sphincter.

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Yeah but if you legalise cannabis, taxing it would be quite hard. It would be a tax on the very lazy. Unlike tobacco, you don't need to cure it. You just grow it, dry it and smoke it. Using up the size of a cupboard you could grow enough for heaps of people. How could you bust someone for cultivation of small amounts if possesion is legal?

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Those who sell cannabis and the police would lose all the money they get, in an open market it would cost close to nothing. Probably not going to happen.

How much are we spending keeping 2000 people in prison for minor cannabis incidents like posession or growing 30 or 40 Plants? How much police time are we wasting? How much CPS time and money is wasted?

The law is an ass!

How much of the illegal drug money is going to buying fire arms causing death on our streets every week, time to eliminate criminal gangs whom mass produce cannabis and use the money to import class A Drugs - let people grow 2 or 3 plants for personal use.

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Yeah but if you legalise cannabis, taxing it would be quite hard. It would be a tax on the very lazy. Unlike tobacco, you don't need to cure it. You just grow it, dry it and smoke it. Using up the size of a cupboard you could grow enough for heaps of people. How could you bust someone for cultivation of small amounts if possesion is legal?

have you any idea how much money is made in the NL

through the coffeeshops ?

thousands of jobs all paying taxes

and over a thousand coffeeshops all paying business tax on top of that

the reason people dont just grow it themselves is they are

lazy , not knowledgeable enough or cannae be bothered to wait

the 6 months it takes to produce anything

add in the tourist element which brings people in from

all over the world and you have an extremely valuable system

compared to the extremely expensive system you have in the UK

court costs , police time , prison costs

legalisation works in so many ways

it destroys the street dealer ,it rids the contaminated rubbish that people take

which ends up in later years costing even more in related health costs

Its a fascist law ran by fascist states to oppress the peoples freedom of choice

how many MP's do u think have smoked it?

Jaquboots Smith for a start

dont do as I do do as I say or I'll lock you up

Hypocritical self righteous cants !!!

oh and JUSTER ----HAIL HAIL YA BAS :P

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How much are we spending keeping 2000 people in prison for minor cannabis incidents like posession or growing 30 or 40 Plants? How much police time are we wasting? How much CPS time and money is wasted?

The law is an ass!

How much of the illegal drug money is going to buying fire arms causing death on our streets every week, time to eliminate criminal gangs whom mass produce cannabis and use the money to import class A Drugs - let people grow 2 or 3 plants for personal use.

The only reason dealers make profit it because the police provide free protection and stop people growing it, otherwise anyone could swamp the market. It costs under £20K to bribe

the government which is less than half a weeks earnings for the major groups. Maybe £100K to get the police on your side, who as well will lose out if it is legal.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/polit...on-1685194.html

Two Labour peers who were willing to be bribed to help rewrite the law for the benefit of a wealthy client are to have their membership of the House of Lords withdrawn for six months.

Both men were caught in a "sting" operation, in which two Sunday Times journalists posed as representatives of a fictitious lobbying firm. They told the peers that they had a wealthy client in Hong Kong who wanted to move into the clothes retail business in the UK, and wanted a change in the law that would reduce his start-up costs. They offered to pay the peers for their help. The police investigated the allegations but decided not to prosecute.

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The problem with it is, oh wait, what? Ah yeah, you are doped, you are less capable of working and the effects last for a number of days after consumption. So you are less capable to work. They can't rightly ban alcohol (a much more severe and dangerous drug) now because it is entrenched. But cannabis, you can see their thinking - we don't need a workforce even more incapable on a Monday morning. Don't get me wrong though, I think it's ok personally. But, what?

What was the question again? ...

Oh yeah, there's the main point that they ban some carcinogenic narcotics such as tobacco and weed, but yet alcohol is okay is the point. And of course if we were all to be sober, the other stuff like cannabis, cocaine, sex and other distractions would be far less likely to occur and distract us all from work.

Wait a minute...

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The question for prohibitionists is how to justify stopping other adults from doing as they choose. A crime requires material harm, or perhaps the threat of it... does weed make people violent? No.

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Yeah but if you legalise cannabis, taxing it would be quite hard. It would be a tax on the very lazy. Unlike tobacco, you don't need to cure it. You just grow it, dry it and smoke it. Using up the size of a cupboard you could grow enough for heaps of people. How could you bust someone for cultivation of small amounts if possesion is legal?

Not sure. Alcohol is taxed, but you can still brew beer/wine at home. It's just that most people don't. :huh:

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Why is the fact that there is a more damaging (debatable, but for the sake of argument) drug out there that cannot be banned a reason for legalising cannabis use?

The classification of cannabis should be based upon its own harmful effects not those effects relative to alcohol.

And this is what the government look at when drawing up their classifications. I would rather take the advice of specialist drug experts than cannabis users. I am sure that heroin users think their drug should be legal as well.

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You from the weege mate!

Celtic man?

lol...smoking the pipe of peice....is bad for the brain cells...hence you supporting celtic :)

good Idea to legalize and tax it though!!

could be the next boom....puff!

You can not tax it .it is to easy to grow (the clue is in the name weed)every man and his dog would be growing it next to his Toms.That is why it is illegal they can not Tax it.

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Why is the fact that there is a more damaging (debatable, but for the sake of argument) drug out there that cannot be banned a reason for legalising cannabis use?

Consistency

If the reason for banning cannabis is genuinely safety, then those genuine, honest arguments and positions should also apply to alcohol. If they don't, you can only surmise that the government is being dishonest about its motives

The classification of cannabis should be based upon its own harmful effects not those effects relative to alcohol.

You do realise that even if it were completely legalised you would not have to smoke it?

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Consistency

If the reason for banning cannabis is genuinely safety, then those genuine, honest arguments and positions should also apply to alcohol. If they don't, you can only surmise that the government is being dishonest about its motives

Why surmise that? The fact that making alcohol illegal would be political suicide for any government is sufficient reason for treating it differently.

You do realise that even if it were completely legalised you would not have to smoke it?

Yes.

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Why is the fact that there is a more damaging (debatable, but for the sake of argument) drug out there that cannot be banned a reason for legalising cannabis use?

The classification of cannabis should be based upon its own harmful effects not those effects relative to alcohol.

And this is what the government look at when drawing up their classifications. I would rather take the advice of specialist drug experts than cannabis users. I am sure that heroin users think their drug should be legal as well.

The "specialist drug experts" recommended not reclassifying the drug - the "law" disagreed.

And yes 2 wrongs don't make a right but it does stink of hypocrisy.

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The "specialist drug experts" recommended not reclassifying the drug - the "law" disagreed.

I would go with the experts. There is debate about whether cannabis is a gateway drug or causes mental illness. Now I can give my tuppen'orth but I don't really know so won't.

And yes 2 wrongs don't make a right but it does stink of hypocrisy.

Absolutely. But to be clear nobody is picking on cannabis. It's just that alcohol is untouchable and hence a special case.

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