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This isn't off topic if you have watched it.

I saw Zeitgeist II last night and did a search and was surprised to find that no one had posted about it (specifically the sequel). It has a great explanation of the way the monetary system works and how completely absurd the whole thing is when described from start to finish in simple terms. More interestingly, the second half of the film discussed something called the Venus Project which in their own words is described as follows: "The Venus Project presents a bold, new direction for humanity that entails nothing less than the total redesign of our culture". The most appealing thing about their project to me is the emphasis they place on science and engineering, concluding correctly that most of the benefits we enjoy today are a result of the hard work of the scientists and not politicians, bankers, lawyers or celebrities.

After watching, I'm now starting to understand some of the stranger posts by Injin and realise he may not be the crackpot I thought he was (no offence intended) but merely talking from a different perspective which dismisses many of the things we have all started to take for granted in our society such as the need for money.

So has anyone seen it? Well worth a viewing if you haven't.

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Thinking, now that is something I would recommend, not much of it about these days, everyone is a consensus trance.Zeitgeist the movie 1 & 2 does raise some interesting points. It's a shame that a discussion of our economic system isn't available these days.

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Thinking, now that is something I would recommend, not much of it about these days, everyone is a consensus trance.Zeitgeist the movie 1 & 2 does raise some interesting points. It's a shame that a discussion of our economic system isn't available these days.

Don't we do that very thing here? :)

EDIT: BTW, I do like those films, even if some of it has been discredited and such. The message about there being alternatives to what we have is the good take home point. Much of what we have seems to have been chosen for us, rather than decided by us.

Many people are fixated with the current system and see nothing beyond it. The majority probably don't even consider why/how things are the way they are. However, once you have opened your mind to alternatives, you are free to explore them.

I don't think we are ready for a moneyless society yet, but it is a nice idea. Once energy independent and food independent, it opens up a lot of otherwise closed doors. Right now though, I see the reform of our current monetary system as a priority. Once we have that in place and we can start to free ourselves of debt and the constant repayment of it.

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I saw Zeitgeist II last night and did a search and was surprised to find that no one had posted about it (specifically the sequel). It has a great explanation of the way the monetary system works and how completely absurd the whole thing is when described from start to finish in simple terms. More interestingly, the second half of the film discussed something called the Venus Project which in their own words is described as follows: "The Venus Project presents a bold, new direction for humanity that entails nothing less than the total redesign of our culture". The most appealing thing about their project to me is the emphasis they place on science and engineering, concluding correctly that most of the benefits we enjoy today are a result of the hard work of the scientists and not politicians, bankers, lawyers or celebrities.

Utopian visions always come up against fundamentally the same stumbling block: human nature.

Yes, science and engineering brings us progress. But scientists and engineers don't control anything: they just get labelled as boffins and thought of as slightly odd. If they're lucky, they get a bit of respect, a congenial life. But if they want to start taking decisions about anything, they have to don a suit and become a former scientist/engineer.

More fundamentally, scientists believe in hard facts and evidence. That's utterly incompatible with the qualities that persuade the british public of anything, whether it be "vote for me" or "reach a verdict that favours my client".

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EDIT: BTW, I do like those films, even if some of it has been discredited and such.

Do you have links to that? I only watched it a few days ago and didn't get to check their data yet. I thought the bits about religion were particularly interesting but needed some checking.

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Do you have links to that? I only watched it a few days ago and didn't get to check their data yet. I thought the bits about religion were particularly interesting but needed some checking.

I don't, I'm afraid; just various ramblings on Internet sites. I think some of it just needs taking with a pinch of salt!

EDIT: The religion stuff was rather interesting, especially considering the other half is rather religious. The conspiracy stuff always has to be taken with a healthy dose of scepticism though, I think.

I think I may give them another watch - it has been a good while since I last watched them.

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EDIT: The religion stuff was rather interesting, especially considering the other half is rather religious. The conspiracy stuff always has to be taken with a healthy dose of scepticism though, I think.

Same here. I found the rest of the piece rather dull but the religious stuff feels right (I read that Homer's Iliad might have been an astronomy manual!) and is rather fascinating. The three Kings!!!

Not mentioning that bit about Jesus and Joseph that implies that Jesus was 'manufactured' by someone. Intriguing to say the least.

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This isn't off topic if you have watched it.

I saw Zeitgeist II last night and did a search and was surprised to find that no one had posted about it (specifically the sequel). It has a great explanation of the way the monetary system works and how completely absurd the whole thing is when described from start to finish in simple terms. More interestingly, the second half of the film discussed something called the Venus Project which in their own words is described as follows: "The Venus Project presents a bold, new direction for humanity that entails nothing less than the total redesign of our culture". The most appealing thing about their project to me is the emphasis they place on science and engineering, concluding correctly that most of the benefits we enjoy today are a result of the hard work of the scientists and not politicians, bankers, lawyers or celebrities.

After watching, I'm now starting to understand some of the stranger posts by Injin and realise he may not be the crackpot I thought he was (no offence intended) but merely talking from a different perspective which dismisses many of the things we have all started to take for granted in our society such as the need for money.

So has anyone seen it? Well worth a viewing if you haven't.

If you found Zeitgeist thought provoking, another film I would highly recommend is The Century Of The Self by Adam Curtis. (Sorry no link, but you can watch it on Google video) It shows in great detail how and why our thoughts and opinions are manipulated by big business and the state, in order to control us.

It even explains how NuLab managed to get elected. Lol.

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