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Can't help but agree:-

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Community/Car...Blog/GM-Europe/

Went to Vauxhall site as my vRS Octy is old & requires replacment, i can buy a new vRS for £15-16 k. I was SHOCKED that a Astra SRI Turbo was £23 k !!!!!!!!

The Astra don't have an IRS, Vauxhall seem to be under the impression that they are a "Premium brand".

Audi/BMW/Merc are, Vauxhall (& Ford) are NOT!!!!!

I also notice that GM have the Chevy Cruze for sale, its got the same running gear & starts at £12 K ish.......If now having palmed off Vauxhall they wish they can take 90% of Vauxhall customer base!

I give Vauxhall, 3 years, 18 months till the 1st crash, then crash after crash.

Mike

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Mandy is apparently questioning the choice of Magna saying another bidder was a cheaper and hence better option

Like this Labour government know anything about saving a car company :lol::lol::lol:

btw no one pays list price for Vauxhall/Ford and check out the new Mazda ;)

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Can't help but agree:-

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Community/Car...Blog/GM-Europe/

Went to Vauxhall site as my vRS Octy is old & requires replacment, i can buy a new vRS for £15-16 k. I was SHOCKED that a Astra SRI Turbo was £23 k !!!!!!!!

The Astra don't have an IRS, Vauxhall seem to be under the impression that they are a "Premium brand".

Audi/BMW/Merc are, Vauxhall (& Ford) are NOT!!!!!

I also notice that GM have the Chevy Cruze for sale, its got the same running gear & starts at £12 K ish.......If now having palmed off Vauxhall they wish they can take 90% of Vauxhall customer base!

I give Vauxhall, 3 years, 18 months till the 1st crash, then crash after crash.

Mike

Let's face it, losing Vauxhall would be no great loss to mankind. No more Corsa's. A job well done IMO.

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Can't help but feel that GM has "Sold" Opal/Vauxhall & all the costs pensions etc.........mean while they are about to flood the World with the Cruze (on sale in 100 differant contrys btw)

Mike

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I'm swapping my 52 plated 2.2 petrol Vectra for an older BMW 530d Sport very soon. The Vec's ok but very underpowered.

I've had loads of VX over the years. They're not all bad.

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I'm swapping my 52 plated 2.2 petrol Vectra for an older BMW 530d Sport very soon. The Vec's ok but very underpowered.

I've had loads of VX over the years. They're not all bad.

The 2.6 V6 engined Vectra is very brisk and better still is the 3.2. However, the build quality is not up to much.

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The 2.6 V6 engined Vectra is very brisk and better still is the 3.2. However, the build quality is not up to much.

As I understand it:

=> The Vectra is now replaced by the Insignia, a car with BMW build feel.

=> The astra is about to be replaced with a new astra which is much higher specced at each model level.

=> Vauxhall is a profitable company, it's the german operation which is fragging the parent company down.

=> The vauxhall plants are the most efficient vehicle manufacturing plants in europe... of any brand.

=> The Vauxhall pension plan is fully funded and was topped up when the Luton vectra plant closed.

GM Europe is a parent "umbrella" company which owns all the sub-companies... Vauxhall, IBC (Luton plant), Opel Germals Sales operation, Opel Germany Manufacturing.... each part of the company is a seperate legal entity If the parent company went under, the sub-companies could be sold on as going concerns... most of them are profitable/viable, including Vauxhall.

All this is public knowledge and well publicised in the press.

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Mandy is apparently questioning the choice of Magna saying another bidder was a cheaper and hence better option

Like this Labour government know anything about saving a car company :lol::lol::lol:

btw no one pays list price for Vauxhall/Ford and check out the new Mazda ;)

Right!

I remember Omegas with a £32k price tag . . . would sell for around £14k.

Be in no doubt, Vauxhall/Opel are good cars, just a desperately dull image.

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Vauxhalls are great. Very well built and solid with smooth torquey engines; also good looking cars these days.

I don't see any comparison with MG Rover; these were overpriced reheated old cars from a company that had no money for R&D because it was all going into the directors' pockets. Nice looking, especially the 75, but that was as far as it went.

My next car will be the new Tigra. Metal folding roof and a two seater; great fun.

Vauxhall_Tigra_3_jpg.jpg

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As I understand it:

=> The Vectra is now replaced by the Insignia, a car with BMW build feel.

=> The astra is about to be replaced with a new astra which is much higher specced at each model level.

=> Vauxhall is a profitable company, it's the german operation which is fragging the parent company down.

=> The vauxhall plants are the most efficient vehicle manufacturing plants in europe... of any brand.

=> The Vauxhall pension plan is fully funded and was topped up when the Luton vectra plant closed.

GM Europe is a parent "umbrella" company which owns all the sub-companies... Vauxhall, IBC (Luton plant), Opel Germals Sales operation, Opel Germany Manufacturing.... each part of the company is a seperate legal entity If the parent company went under, the sub-companies could be sold on as going concerns... most of them are profitable/viable, including Vauxhall.

All this is public knowledge and well publicised in the press.

Fair enough but who owns the IPR for the products that Vauxhall sells? Are they viable without it?

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Vauxhalls are great. Very well built and solid with smooth torquey engines; also good looking cars these days.

I don't see any comparison with MG Rover; these were overpriced reheated old cars from a company that had no money for R&D because it was all going into the directors' pockets. Nice looking, especially the 75, but that was as far as it went.

My next car will be the new Tigra. Metal folding roof and a two seater; great fun.

Vauxhall_Tigra_3_jpg.jpg

Joke right ? A tigra and you're a man. Unless you're very nice to your mother and are good with colours. You know the question, WWJD (What would Jesus drive) - well in your case, it's still WWJD, but insert Julian (Clary). It's a good car to cruise round Brighton or Soho in, but it's ghey, it's even more bent than a pink Suzuki SJ with two rutting rhinos on the back.

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Joke right ? A tigra and you're a man. Unless you're very nice to your mother and are good with colours. You know the question, WWJD (What would Jesus drive) - well in your case, it's still WWJD, but insert Julian (Clary). It's a good car to cruise round Brighton or Soho in, but it's ghey, it's even more bent than a pink Suzuki SJ with two rutting rhinos on the back.

Re-direct to Frank to your Muscle Car post and link.

Frank, you're on a yellow card.

Re-badged as Opel and I think they'd do much better, shallow as it may be.

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Joke right ? A tigra and you're a man. Unless you're very nice to your mother and are good with colours. You know the question, WWJD (What would Jesus drive) - well in your case, it's still WWJD, but insert Julian (Clary). It's a good car to cruise round Brighton or Soho in, but it's ghey, it's even more bent than a pink Suzuki SJ with two rutting rhinos on the back.

You forget that women love open top sports cars.

And that the ultimate end product of wanting to always appear macho and manly is Daddy Bear's avatar with his moustache and muscles. Sure you're masculine, but only in a way that appeals to men.

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Vauxhalls are great. Very well built and solid with smooth torquey engines; also good looking cars these days.

I don't see any comparison with MG Rover; these were overpriced reheated old cars from a company that had no money for R&D because it was all going into the directors' pockets. Nice looking, especially the 75, but that was as far as it went.

My next car will be the new Tigra. Metal folding roof and a two seater; great fun.

Vauxhall_Tigra_3_jpg.jpg

Sorry Frank, usually I wouldn't pile in to gay threads, but that is the gayest car ever - self respecting gays wouldn't drive it.

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You forget that women love open top sports cars.

And that the ultimate end product of wanting to always appear macho and manly is Daddy Bear's avatar with his moustache and muscles. Sure you're masculine, but only in a way that appeals to men.

True enough. ;)

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I thought the problem with GM was not really the quality or whatever of their cars, or the efficency of their plants.

It was the huge build up of unpayable overhead with pensions, high salaries and benefits.

has selling the place affected these things....surely not.

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Re-direct to Frank to your Muscle Car post and link.

Frank, you're on a yellow card.

Re-badged as Opel and I think they'd do much better, shallow as it may be.

Oh ref, I'll miss the next round :(

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Oh ref, I'll miss the next round :(

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Any which way but loose, baby!

Franky, get a beat up old pick-up like Clint Eastwood drives. Now that's a mans car.

I've got one. And the Missus does bare a striking resemblance to 'Clyde'.

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Paging Aunt Jess / Dr Tara. Aunt Jess and Dr Tara to the forum please.

Please point out that this Tigra bashing is a sign of an underlying insecurity.

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Paging Aunt Jess / Dr Tara. Aunt Jess and Dr Tara to the forum please.

Please point out that this Tigra bashing is a sign of an underlying insecurity.

I've even driven a Suzuki X-90.

If you drove a Tigra, it would remind me of the Streetka driver - bloke, early 30's, driving it top down through the High Street in traffic. I caught his eye (wahey). Straight off, he says, "it's not mine, I am a Ford salesman, I am taking to a woman for a home test drive".

He knew, he just knew, that he looked like a rent boy on an outcall.....

Sorry Frank, usually I wouldn't pile in to gay threads, but that is the gayest car ever - self respecting gays wouldn't drive it.

Well, I would have thought that even in gay couples, only the taker would be seen driving this

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Well, I would have thought that even in gay couples, only the taker would be seen driving this

Scream! The rentboy car. But also, gay for pay.

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I don't think vauxhall makes bad cars. They are pretty average but competitively priced and a lot cheaper than a BMW. The problem is not the car but the people that buy them.

Most of these cars are almost certainly purchased on lease schemes and finance by people who can't really afford a car worth more than say £5000.00. As they can no longer access finance car sales have completely slumped.

Lets face it without finance the west is screwed....

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