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Its weird how every country in the world has a public debt

the norm seems to be 20-40% of GDP

how can so many countries be in debt?

and why do the western countries always have more debt than anyone else in the world?

Debt is wealth. Surely you read this site?

I suspect it's all a big con game backed up with gun boat diplomacy.

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In April 2006, when the stock market was booming, the civil service pension black hole was £1.1 TRILLION.

It will be closer to £2 trillion now.

And that's just the occupation civil service pensions, it excludes standard state pension and SERPS liabilities.

Total unfunded pension liabilities, due by the state over the next 10-20 years will be in excess of £5 trillion.

And they are index linked to RPI.

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At some point they are going to have to 'reboot' the system. The impact of compounded debt will be just too devastating otherwise.

How do they do that? Why not just print £100 billion and reset every year?

BTW When I looked at just before midnight last night the clock was on £818bn. Lunchtime today it was £820bn. It is now £821bn. Holy moley.

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That clock really does put everything the government says into perspective. Plans to save £2bn by 'efficiency' savings in education? Great - that £2Bn saving will be eaten up within a week (if the clock is going £500,000,000 per day).

£20Bn saved if we scrap Trident - fabulous, about a month and that saving will be negated too.

It seems a long time ago that yearly government borrowing of £40-50bn was considered very high. After all, a billion pounds is £1,000,000,000. The figures are now so big that it becomes like measuring really big (or small) things in science and using exponentials 'cos the numbers are so long. :P

Maybe if the government built a 1:1 scale model of how big that debt would be if it was a pile of £50 notes, people might get a sense of the scale of the problem? :(

QB

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I know this is HPC lecture 2, but where the hell is the money coming from ??? China, QE, Dragons Den ??

How much longer can it go on for ??

if Treasuries were themselves considered to be a form of money then issuing debt is the same as printing money, or quantitative easing as they say.. So the question becomes: is there a reason to consider Treasuries not to be money.

When the Bank of England do quantitative easing, is this not the same as issuing debt??

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That clock really does put everything the government says into perspective. Plans to save £2bn by 'efficiency' savings in education? Great - that £2Bn saving will be eaten up within a week (if the clock is going £500,000,000 per day).

£20Bn saved if we scrap Trident - fabulous, about a month and that saving will be negated too.

It seems a long time ago that yearly government borrowing of £40-50bn was considered very high. After all, a billion pounds is £1,000,000,000. The figures are now so big that it becomes like measuring really big (or small) things in science and using exponentials 'cos the numbers are so long. :P

Maybe if the government built a 1:1 scale model of how big that debt would be if it was a pile of £50 notes, people might get a sense of the scale of the problem? :(

QB

. . . 8 hours.

I think the whole system is not what everyone thinks it is.

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