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by 2011 its quite possible the SNP will have a majority in scotland, with a conservative government in westminster. this is a great position for snp to go ahead with an independence referendum.

if successful whats the position with an independent scotland repaying its share of the uks national debt??

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by 2011 its quite possible the SNP will have a majority in scotland, with a conservative government in westminster. this is a great position for snp to go ahead with an independence referendum.

if successful whats the position with an independent scotland repaying its share of the uks national debt??

Very interesting question... I assume they would join the Euro... assuming of course that Europe (read: Germany) hasn't imploded by then; another basket case and more debt for Germany to carry.

Interesting....

Edit: Europe -> Euro

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... this is a great position for snp to go ahead with an independence referendum ...

Aye that'll be shining bright.

If only.

Is that "Independence within Europe" or "Independence within the UK (plus we get tae keep the Monarchy and a' thae Foreign Landlords, mebbes hae Princess Anne as Quine ay Scotlun')"? One Nation Under a Groove?

Vae ******en victis.

Never happen.

SNP? See turkeys, see Christmas? ... Wee Fat Eck hates Christmas.

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Even if a referendum is held and the result is a majority in favour of independence, it would require a change to (UK) law to allow this to happen.

More likely is that a positive referendum vote would give the SNP a good bargaining position with regard to getting extra powers (like tax setting) for the Scottish Parliament... Which is perhaps sold as another step on the road to full independence.

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by 2011 its quite possible the SNP will have a majority in scotland, with a conservative government in westminster. this is a great position for snp to go ahead with an independence referendum.

if successful whats the position with an independent scotland repaying its share of the uks national debt??

Im a 100% sure this is what AS has been waiting for. DC would not stand in his way and the scottish population will not tolerate a torry goverment again. This would be a dream come true for AS as he propably would not have to do much coaxing to get the vote! the torries being in power would be all the motivation needed.

I would vote for independance. I think it's best that the UK just dissolves with the English keeping the debt ofcourse!

A clean slate for scotland and Wales would be a great parting gift. :lol:

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I would vote for independance. I think it's best that the UK just dissolves with the English keeping the debt ofcourse!

It would be a price worth paying to get rid of pricks like you.

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Im a 100% sure this is what AS has been waiting for. DC would not stand in his way and the scottish population will not tolerate a torry goverment again. This would be a dream come true for AS as he propably would not have to do much coaxing to get the vote! the torries being in power would be all the motivation needed.

I would vote for independance. I think it's best that the UK just dissolves with the English keeping the debt ofcourse!

A clean slate for scotland and Wales would be a great parting gift. :lol:

:lol: Sounds good to me!

They can keep Gordon "British" Brown too...

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It would be a price worth paying to get rid of pricks like you.

So what you're inadvertently saying is that if we start acting like pricks then we get rid of our share of the debt?

Fantastic! win-win situation! :)

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So what you're inadvertently saying is that if we start acting like pricks then we get rid of our share of the debt?

Fantastic! win-win situation! :)

I don't think you've got the talent of Jister (another incarnation of Hamish/Andy Kn etc)

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It would be a price worth paying to get rid of pricks like you.

personal attack...im under personal attack....wheres Bloo Loo when you need him? :lol:

seriously...did you not see the smiley...I was just joshing ;)

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So what you're inadvertently saying is that if we start acting like pricks then we get rid of our share of the debt?

Fantastic! win-win situation! :)

Your share of the debt being RBS and HBOS? Or are they just the tip of an iceberg?

The current constitutional mess is poisonous. With proper independence we'd stand a decent chance of maintaining broadly-friendly relationships, to the benefit of both countries.

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It would be a price worth paying to get rid of pricks like you.

It would be very interesting to see an Independant Scotland, in the short term Oil and Gas revenue would keep it afloat but as those reserves depleated, taxes would rise very fast and that would make it less attractive for companies to invest in extracting more hydrocarbons so it would fall in to a vicious circle.

You also have to look at the Irish or Icelandic economies to see how vulnerable smaller countries are to economic cycles you also have look at Scottish culture which in polite terms is rather socialist and in blunt terms is frankly work shy (I live there for 13 years) Unlike Ireland that started the Celtic Tiger with a desire to escape real poverty (remember Ireland was near third world in its infrastructure in the early 80's) Scotland is resting on a it socialist laurals and using vast quanities money to support and none working population so it has a huge overhead to trim.

Personally I would love to see Scotland spin off on the condition that when they run out of money there is no chance of rejoining the join.

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The current constitutional mess is poisonous. With proper independence we'd stand a decent chance of maintaining broadly-friendly relationships, to the benefit of both countries.

I'll agree with that. The current relationship is like that of a married couple who haven't got a divorce yet because they are in negative equity. Once they don't feel that their lives are hampered by each other then they can relearn how to relate to one another on equal terms again.

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It would be very interesting to see an Independant Scotland, in the short term Oil and Gas revenue would keep it afloat but as those reserves depleated, taxes would rise very fast and that would make it less attractive for companies to invest in extracting more hydrocarbons so it would fall in to a vicious circle.

You also have to look at the Irish or Icelandic economies to see how vulnerable smaller countries are to economic cycles you also have look at Scottish culture which in polite terms is rather socialist and in blunt terms is frankly work shy (I live there for 13 years) Unlike Ireland that started the Celtic Tiger with a desire to escape real poverty (remember Ireland was near third world in its infrastructure in the early 80's) Scotland is resting on a it socialist laurals and using vast quanities money to support and none working population so it has a huge overhead to trim.

Personally I would love to see Scotland spin off on the condition that when they run out of money there is no chance of rejoining the join.

Blinkered and bias.

Look ..... The North sea still has potential and there are also options onshore, so to say it would only keep us going short term is short sighted, blinkered and bias. Oil and Gas revenue would contribute along with tourism, inventions, banking, agriculture, medicine and during this period further investment in exploration for more oil and gas would be performed.

We have plenty to offer the world and world has plenty of love for us. Do not compare us with Iceland and Ireland....it's silly and you know it is.

We have a thriving economy and once free would not want to go back....so you are safe on that score.

PS: Obama is scottish ...so be carefull who you're diss'n :lol:

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It would be a price worth paying to get rid of pricks like you.

would agree with that - Laboru would never again gain power in Westminster and the debt would be easier to pay off as a result.

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by 2011 its quite possible the SNP will have a majority in scotland, with a conservative government in westminster. this is a great position for snp to go ahead with an independence referendum.

if successful whats the position with an independent scotland repaying its share of the uks national debt??

never going to happen, especially not now. The theory that Scotland could survive on it's own is blown for a while. Believe it or not the people of Scotland aren't going to voluntarily vote to reduce their living and economic conditions, we're not stupid.

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would agree with that - Laboru would never again gain power in Westminster and the debt would be easier to pay off as a result.

I've said this before, but on the basis of the votes cast in England alone Labour would have won the 1997, 2001 and 2005 elections. So you can't say they would never again gain power.

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Blinkered and bias.

Look ..... The North sea still has potential and there are also options onshore, so to say it would only keep us going short term is short sighted, blinkered and bias. Oil and Gas revenue would contribute along with tourism, inventions, banking, agriculture, medicine and during this period further investment in exploration for more oil and gas would be performed.

We have plenty to offer the world and world has plenty of love for us. Do not compare us with Iceland and Ireland....it's silly and you know it is.

We have a thriving economy and once free would not want to go back....so you are safe on that score.

PS: Obama is scottish ...so be carefull who you're diss'n :lol:

A perfect example of Fact might be to look at communities like Ballingry, Lochgelly and Cowdenbeath where less than 1% of the population pay more income tax than they receive in benefits.

That is unsustainble

Fact 2, the oil reserves in the North Sea are in decline, there are no remaining large scale fields there are only smaller project. There are some onshore projects such as those discovered in Shetland recently but that is only a $100m project.

Living a pipedream

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A perfect example of Fact might be to look at communities like Ballingry, Lochgelly and Cowdenbeath where less than 1% of the population pay more income tax than they receive in benefits.

And there's nowhere like that in England, Wales or Northern Ireland?

"Living a pipedream", just about sums that up ;)

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by 2011 its quite possible the SNP will have a majority in scotland, with a conservative government in westminster. this is a great position for snp to go ahead with an independence referendum.

if successful whats the position with an independent scotland repaying its share of the uks national debt??

Actually, they can take the entire debt, go bankrupt and default. And then have all the oil and gas rights as compensation. Seems OK to me..

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I've said this before, but on the basis of the votes cast in England alone Labour would have won the 1997, 2001 and 2005 elections. So you can't say they would never again gain power.

I appear to be duly corrected...curse my bad info!!

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And there's nowhere like that in England, Wales or Northern Ireland?

"Living a pipedream", just about sums that up ;)

Agreed but not on the same scale, take the entire Central region through Clackmanshire, Fallkirk, Lanarkshire, Fife, the Lothians, the Bulk of Glasgow... town after town of run down lives where the original heavy industies have long since gone. Scotland is still suffering the long hang over of the post industrial period and has yet to re-invent itself, there are huge population where nearly two generation have never worked. Mass social change is required before Scotland can stand on its own two feet

There are three productive Cities in Scotland, Edinburgh, Aberdeen and Inverness the rest just consume money.

If you look at England most places stand on their own two feet except East Lancashire, West Yorkshire and Humberside, parts of the Midlands and parts of the North East (areas with the same post industrial issues that Scotland has)

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EDIT: btw I am a believer in English regional government and for the seat of National government to be moved from the commercial centre of London too. Oh - and getting rid of the Royal Family and the unelected House of Lords and all stupid titles.

I wander how many people that little lot can annoy. Long live the revolution brothers.

I'll agree with much of that little lot. Except - don't move the so-called national government. Abolish it instead. Why should we have need of a layer of a remote and corrupt superstate that serves no purpose? It's too remote for the kind of thing that's devolved in Scotland, too small to stand up to the USA or China in matters like world trade, and too much a proven warmonger to be trusted with anyone's armed forces.

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