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Well, i guess if you can kill a million in Iraq without using one........

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/poli...icle6843561.ece

Help pay for the EXTRA 1,000 troops off to Afgan

Mike

The banks robbed the country and now it cannot afford any toys any longer:

"The government's overall debt now stands at £804.8bn, or 57.5% of GDP, an increase of £172bn in the past year.

The massively increased levels of debt are due to the government bailing out troubled banks and its efforts to stimulate the economy during the recession.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8266266.stm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/finance...56-billion.html

"The papers show that the Treasury expects to pay out £193.4 billion on social security benefits in 2013/14. Paying interest on the Government’s outstanding debts will cost £63.4 billion.

Total Government spending in the same year will be £758.3 billion. Welfare and debt interest will be 33.8 per cent of that total.

Around 6 million people in Britain are estimated to claim some sort of employment-based benefits, and the figure is set to rise.

Official figures released on Wednesday showed that unemployment reached has 2.47 million, the highest since 1995. Most economists expect the total to peak at around 3 million early next year.

In his 2000 Budget, Mr Brown described money spent on debt and welfare as “the costs of failure†and lauded Labour’s record in reducing those payments.

He said: "Our promise was to reduce the costs of failure – the bills for unemployment and debt interest – in order to reallocate money to the key public services."

Now, Mr Brown’s own figures reveal how those costs are set to grow dramatically.

Already the largest single item in the budget, by 2013/14 spending on social security will dwarf every other item of Government expenditure.

For example in 2010/11, total spending on the NHS in England will be £107 billion.

Total spending on the Ministry of Defence will be £36.7 billion.

The welfare bill will also absorb more money than every worker in the country pays the state in income tax. In 2009/10, the Treasury is expecting to take in £140.5 billion in gross income tax receipts."

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Another misleading article where "social security payments", "welfare bill", and "benefits" are used interchangeably with no explanation of what is included. The £193.4 billion figure mentioned includes pensions and other benefits which are paid to pensioners (e.g. 40% of Housing Benefit). How many people think of the state pension as a 'benefit'? The rising "cost of failure" reported is largely due to people living longer and demographic changes -- more post-war baby boomers retiring. The sum for benefits paid to children and the unemployed is much less.

This article uses a figure of £74 billion for spending on "benefits"...

'Benefits plan to 'make work pay'' [september 2009]:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8257673.stm

The report says the proposals would cost £2.7bn a year -- on top of the £74bn already being spent on benefits.[/b]

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The £193.4 billion figure mentioned includes pensions and other benefits which are paid to pensioners (e.g. 40% of Housing Benefit). How many people think of the state pension as a 'benefit'?

What else is it?

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What else is it?

Benefit:

ORIGIN late Middle English (originally denoting a kind deed or something well done): from Old French bienfet, from Latin benefactum ‘good deed,’ from bene facere ‘do good (to).’

It's income saved during the course of your working life, paid in as part of your National Insurance contributions, which I believe currently stands at about 11-12% of gross income.

It's no gift or good deed.... it's something you've already paid for.

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Benefit:

ORIGIN late Middle English (originally denoting a kind deed or something well done): from Old French bienfet, from Latin benefactum ‘good deed,’ from bene facere ‘do good (to).’

It's income saved during the course of your working life, paid in as part of your National Insurance contributions, which I believe currently stands at about 11-12% of gross income.

It's no gift or good deed.... it's something you've already paid for.

Their mistake was handing it over to the Government instead of keeping it under the bed or in the attic.

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Benefit:

ORIGIN late Middle English (originally denoting a kind deed or something well done): from Old French bienfet, from Latin benefactum ‘good deed,’ from bene facere ‘do good (to).’

It's income saved during the course of your working life, paid in as part of your National Insurance contributions, which I believe currently stands at about 11-12% of gross income.

It's no gift or good deed.... it's something you've already paid for.

Our economy is redistributive. Labour voters never produce enough to pay for their Council houses, NHS costs, State education costs, pensions, etc. These costs are paid for with money stolen from the middle class.

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Benefit:

ORIGIN late Middle English (originally denoting a kind deed or something well done): from Old French bienfet, from Latin benefactum ‘good deed,’ from bene facere ‘do good (to).’

It's income saved during the course of your working life, paid in as part of your National Insurance contributions, which I believe currently stands at about 11-12% of gross income.

It's no gift or good deed.... it's something you've already paid for.

Utter rubbish.

Its a benefit - a handout.

There is no scheme to pay into. NI is a part of the taxation system and pensions are a payout from the welfare system. There is no agreement or contract and you haven't "bought" anything. Your NI is paying for today's pensioners and when you retire the next generation will be taxed to pay for you. The government of the day can (and does) alter the amount of the HANDOUT at will.

The welfare bill is huge and getting bigger due to the ageing population. It's called the demographic time bomb and has been "news" for about a decade.

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Benefit:

ORIGIN late Middle English (originally denoting a kind deed or something well done): from Old French bienfet, from Latin benefactum ‘good deed,’ from bene facere ‘do good (to).’

It's income saved during the course of your working life, paid in as part of your National Insurance contributions, which I believe currently stands at about 11-12% of gross income.

It's no gift or good deed.... it's something you've already paid for.

You need to check your facts. Pensions are paid out of current NI contributions. Your contributions are paying current pensions. NI is in effect a direct tax. It is certainly not a savings scheme.

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Seriously, Bernie Madoff could learn a thing or two from the UK NI scheme

Yes, honesty, proper accounting and financial probity would have been useful lessons for him.

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Our economy is redistributive. Labour voters never produce enough to pay for their Council houses, NHS costs, State education costs, pensions, etc. These costs are paid for with money stolen from the middle class.

100% agree, the middle class are mugged every minute of every day and then treated like criminals, meanwhile the chavs are treated like the victims.

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100% agree, the middle class are mugged every minute of every day and then treated like criminals, meanwhile the chavs are treated like the victims.

I agree too. So what can we do about it?

As to banning the bomb, being unable to afford to pay something because of bankruptcy is not the same as banning something.

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Our economy is redistributive. Labour voters never produce enough to pay for their Council houses, NHS costs, State education costs, pensions, etc. These costs are paid for with money stolen from the middle class.

+1.

Labour's "core voters" can only have the lifestyle that they do by voting to rob the better-off people who actually do make enough to run their own lives.

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Well, i guess if you can kill a million in Iraq without using one........

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/poli...icle6843561.ece

Help pay for the EXTRA 1,000 troops off to Afgan

Mike

This for me sums up the problem with this govt... when the money was flowing in they were keen to spend spend spend... needless civil servants, busted purchasing policies, overly generous pay and rations etc etc... all added to the wastage of £Bn's... they also embarked on some expenditure progammes of a serious nature one of which was the trident replacement... now I am not going to argue for against... but I would argue that if after careful thought you had decided that you absolutely had to have trident to safeguard the nation then why does this conclusion change in a round of budget cuts.... the defence of the nation is one of the basic building blocks of governement... either they didn't think it through properly first time or are making a bad decision this time.... you just can't play fast and loose with defence policies like that.

For me this change in direction ( and its the change itself not whether we have nukes or not) shows you all you need to know about how poor a government we have...they decided we need trident and now in a very short timeframe have decided its surplus to requirements.

I think actually what they did first time around is they decided to make an easier decision and keep it becasue they figured we had the money...... they were willing to not make a core decision becuase effectively we had provided them with the money to execute lazy thinking and escape having to have priorities....... decisions like this have been made countless times by this govt and thats why it should be easy as pie to cut 20% off public expenditure without seeing any material cut to the services provided.

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We just have to accept it, having the bomb was a sign you were a super power. Britain's time as a super power is coming to an end. It is expected we should give up the bomb (just as we are the only nation to give up the ability to launch satalites). We may call them third world, but the next lot of up and coming powers already have, or are developing their own independent nuclear weapons - Pakistan (why haven't we invaded them as that is where Al Quaida live?), Iran, Isreal (really a satelite of America), North Korea, India, China...

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How many people think of the state pension as a 'benefit'?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8257673.stm

Well you think it is not a benefit then?

In that case it is very good news for all tax payers as they can stop paying for it as of now.

How much money have you just saved the taxpayers? billions and billions and billions and....

Three cheers for crashcon

hip pip............

no one wants to cheer?

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And if Iran sponser a nuclear bomb detonation in London, its nice to know that at least we can ask them not to do it again, the World is getting more dangerous by the day To quote an American president spaek softly and carry a big stick. We shout our mouths of internationaly and have a military at breaking point.

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Honestly ****** Nuclear weapons, they're a loose-loose proposition, we need to suck up to the Americans and get them to base their anti-missile system in the UK or build our own. I won't feel safe here for another 2/3 decades otherwise.

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My view is that if we can't develop and build our own nuclear deterrent, then we might as well become the world's first ex-nuclear power. The French state now owns some of our nuclear power stations and Trident is an American system. Why don't we just become a centre for nuclear tourism? Think of the money we could make by charging the Americans, Russians, French, Chinese etc. to set up nuclear bases here!!! :lol:

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Just because it spreads it all out a bit from me (and my sons).

May or may not make the ruling clarrse less trigger-happy with Other People's Lives.

If there's to be a war, (young) men go in the meatgrinder regardless.

With no option to say no, and all the other bastards cheering for them to go, so ... fu ck it.

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Utter rubbish.

Its a benefit - a handout.

There is no scheme to pay into. NI is a part of the taxation system and pensions are a payout from the welfare system. There is no agreement or contract and you haven't "bought" anything. Your NI is paying for today's pensioners and when you retire the next generation will be taxed to pay for you. The government of the day can (and does) alter the amount of the HANDOUT at will.

The welfare bill is huge and getting bigger due to the ageing population. It's called the demographic time bomb and has been "news" for about a decade.

Bolleaux.. It's not handed out as an act of kindness or charity. It's a fund, that you pay into. Of course there isn't a contract... if gumments were employed under contract they'd be in breach on day one. NI is:

National Insurance (NI) in the United Kingdom was initially a contributory system of insurance against illness and unemployment, and later also provided retirement pensions and other benefits.[1] It was first introduced by the National Insurance Act 1911, and expanded by the government of Clement Attlee in 1946.

The contributions component of the system consists of obligatory contributions, National Insurance Contributions (NICs), paid by employees and employers on earnings, and by employers on certain benefits-in-kind provided to employees. The self-employed contribute based upon net earnings.

The benefit component comprises a number of contributory benefits of availability and amount determined by the claimant's contribution record. Weekly income benefits and some lump-sum benefits to participants upon death, retirement, unemployment, maternity and disability are provided.

It's no HANDOUT..... you paid.

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Our economy is redistributive. Labour voters never produce enough to pay for their Council houses, NHS costs, State education costs, pensions, etc. These costs are paid for with money stolen from the middle class.

Its the middle class that gets screwed by both the rich and the poor.

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