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I was having an interesting discussion about this over the weekend. Are those who deliberately evade or avoid tax and those who cheat the taxation and benefits systems the new heroes for us all?

Let's think about the term - "taxpayers' money". What does that actually mean? Money that has been taken from us (under threat of violence, confiscation and imprisonment) by the State. If this money has been taken from us in this way, does the term "taxpayers' money" become inaccurate?

If we have chosen to spend money with a private enterprise, does this become "customers' money"? Of course not.

"Taxpayers' money" does pay for schools, hospitals and more. There is some inherent good to it. However the very same money pays for the State to harass and cajole us, lecture us, bully us, kill Iraqi and Afghan babies, provide support for Loyalist terrorists, fine us for breaking arbitrary rules pressured on it by single issue groups, sustain a housing and debt bubble, lie to us, spin to us - generally, treat us like the second-class scum we are and we should feel grateful for paying for it.

"Taxpayers' money" is not our money. It is the Government's money that they force from us by law. We have no real say on how a company spends our money when we buy from them. We have no real say on how a Government spends our money so it's not our money anymore.

According to a report in the news a year ago, £80bn is wasted by the Government. If it was really "our money", would they be this careless, thoughtless and arrogant?

Those who try to opt their way out of this system with fancy tax evasion or avoidance schemes - are they the new rebels and heroes? Is that the same for dole cheats who realise the system is rigged against them? Should we cheer them?

No-one ever signed a contract to be subjected to this awful system.

PS. I am shit scared of being against the State so I would never do the same myself.

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PS. I am shit scared of being against the State so I would never do the same myself.

Too late mate - you've posted what you have posted, here.

You are an enemy of the state!

Edited by sbn

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:( I know!!!

Just - out of interest - before we both get Karted off to "Gordons Holiday Camp for the Criminally Sane" ...... just what is your avatar doing?

Edited by sbn

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Good mini-essay. Generally speaking, I agree.

"Taxpayers' money" is not our money. It is the Government's money that they force from us by law. We have no real say on how a company spends our money when we buy from them. We have no real say on how a Government spends our money so it's not our money anymore.

Noting the crucial distinction that (so long as the market works) paying money to anyone other than government (or other mafia) is voluntary.

According to a report in the news a year ago, £80bn is wasted by the Government. If it was really "our money", would they be this careless, thoughtless and arrogant?

Who else would?

Errr .. OK, you don't have to answer that if you're in The City.

Those who try to opt their way out of this system with fancy tax evasion or avoidance schemes - are they the new rebels and heroes? Is that the same for dole cheats who realise the system is rigged against them? Should we cheer them?

You decide.

I avoid tax so far as I can, and feel I'm taking the moral high ground in doing so. But that's because I'm putting my money to better use than our thieving government would, in the productive economy. And since it's my money, I put it where I think it should stand to be productive enough to make a profit for me[1].

PS. I am shit scared of being against the State so I would never do the same myself.

It doesn't have to be against the state. They give the tax breaks I use for good reasons: it helps to channel investment to where it benefits the economy and other deserving causes. Though of course they weren't in blind-panic mode when these breaks were introduced.

[edit to add - I forgot the footnote [1] ] Me investing my own money is capitalist, the state spending taxpayers money is socialist. It's precisely because it's my money (which I don't want to waste) that capitalism tends to work better than socialism.

Edited by porca misèria

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If the government can not get the money out of us because we avoid tax do they stop spending ?

Do the heck, they just borrow it and get our children to pay it, with interest.

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Too late mate - you've posted what you have posted, here.

You are an enemy of the state!

You record has been updated on the GCQH database.

If not, just to make sure... Semtex, Nitrogen, Fertilizer, Fertiliser, Sugar, 60/40 Ratio, Mohamed, Attack, Rifle, Detonator, Timer, Mobile Phone.

There, that should do it.

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It's quite interesting that major tax avoidance, will get you a reputation of being financially astute.

A small one will have you labelled as "scrounger", or "cheat"! :(

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PS. I am shit scared of being against the State so I would never do the same myself.

You're shit scared now, but in time you won't be because the threat will be lessened, they will be a spent force. Certainly after the currency has collapsed, perhaps before.

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