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Why Vince Cable Should Take Leadership Of The Lib Dems Right Away

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I listened to the BBC R5 broadcast from "down the road" from the Liberal conference this morning, and to be honest, Clegg will be shown up for the pretender he is because of his inability to answer straight questions on policy. In this respect he is no different from Brown and Cameron. Brown has a certain presence, but Gravitas..? Apart from Cable I struggle these to think of a single politician who gets respect and attention when they speak. Much as I don't fancy voting Liberal "tank top beard 'n sandal femidom wearing" Democrats, RESPECT is the place where Vinceyboy hangs his hat.

Now, long timers at HPC know that Vince learnt everything he knows from us, so although he is a bit behind the curve, he is galaxies ahead of any other mainstream"Gravitas Lite" politicians, except for possibly the "End Game" ones, like Mandy (although ****** knows what Peter's end game actually is...?)

So although I don't want to vote L.D. I would happily place a vote with Vince, even though I feel there should be a "Vince" in every party, but sadly there is not.

You might enjoy listening to the R5 broadcast, now a podcast at-

R5 podcast here

We are shortly to enter into the final bloody and tortuous rundown to the next UK Government selection process, and as Conservative are slowly throttling themselves with "ToryLite" and no obvious rudder to steer the shaky ship, and Lib Dem will not tell us id they would rather co-coalesce with Labour or Conservative-

WE ARE IN GRAVE DANGER OF A BROWN SLAM DUNK

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I listened to the BBC R5 broadcast from "down the road" from the Liberal conference this morning, and to be honest, Clegg will be shown up for the pretender he is because of his inability to answer straight questions on policy. In this respect he is no different from Brown and Cameron. Brown has a certain presence, but Gravitas..? Apart from Cable I struggle these to think of a single politician who gets respect and attention when they speak. Much as I don't fancy voting Liberal "tank top beard 'n sandal femidom wearing" Democrats, RESPECT is the place where Vinceyboy hangs his hat.

Now, long timers at HPC know that Vince learnt everything he knows from us, so although he is a bit behind the curve, he is galaxies ahead of any other mainstream"Gravitas Lite" politicians, except for possibly the "End Game" ones, like Mandy (although ****** knows what Peter's end game actually is...?)

So although I don't want to vote L.D. I would happily place a vote with Vince, even though I feel there should be a "Vince" in every party, but sadly there is not.

You might enjoy listening to the R5 broadcast, now a podcast at-

R5 podcast here

We are shortly to enter into the final bloody and tortuous rundown to the next UK Government selection process, and as Conservative are slowly throttling themselves with "ToryLite" and no obvious rudder to steer the shaky ship, and Lib Dem will not tell us id they would rather co-coalesce with Labour or Conservative-

WE ARE IN GRAVE DANGER OF A BROWN SLAM DUNK

What a glorious overview, nice one KC1st.

Important to bear in mind that ALL politicians have a Vested Interest in something or other..and that the populace ain't it.

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Full marks to Vince - and brave of him on the £1m house levy considering he is the MP for very leafy Twickenham which probably has more £1m houses than anywhere in England outside Westminster and Kensington.

Still hoping for a hung parliament with Vince as Chancellor in a coaltion government - its not that unlikely as if the Tory lead falls below 8per cent they won't get a majority.

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Just so long as it is a tory/liberal coalition ;)

Had quite enough of Labour thank you.

And why, oh why did the libs pick clegg to lead?!

They have a fair few heavyweights, why choose a blair-lite?

<Insert double facepalm image here>

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Just so long as it is a tory/liberal coalition ;)

And why, oh why did the libs pick clegg to lead?!

Just listen to the pod-cast. Will tell you everything you need to know about Clegg, and pathetic incipient Tory tactics.

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He would make a good pm imho.

He has had a hand on the situation from the beginning. Knows exactly what's going on and what's needed to sort it out.

does he f

he knew that there was an unsustainable debt bubble

but he doesn't know how to solve it or that the true cause was central banks price fixing and artificially holding down interest rates

now if he stood up and said central planning always results in wealth destruction for the masses and we had to end the banking cartel

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Clegg has been absolutely unwilling over the last few days to talk about the possibility of a hung parliament, in which he would presumably have to consider taking power in an alliance with the Tories. Instead he wants to focus on the "real" possibility of the Lib Dems winning the election themselves. This is just pathetic, and is actually verging on dishonest. The Libs are polling at 18%. They can't win the election. Why not start to at least address the major issues that they would need to deal with in order to sit at a table with the Tories?

That said, if Vince keeps on banging the drum about this property tax, I'm pretty sure they won't even need to worry about a hung parliament, because the Tories will win outright.

The Libs have totally lost the plot this week. As Nick Ferrari put it on LBC this morning, the Lib Dems are "like a kindly old eccentric uncle who you have a really soft spot for until he comes to stay for a few days and you realise what a crackpot he is".

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I listened to the BBC R5 broadcast from "down the road" from the Liberal conference this morning, and to be honest, Clegg will be shown up for the pretender he is because of his inability to answer straight questions on policy. In this respect he is no different from Brown and Cameron. Brown has a certain presence, but Gravitas..? Apart from Cable I struggle these to think of a single politician who gets respect and attention when they speak. Much as I don't fancy voting Liberal "tank top beard 'n sandal femidom wearing" Democrats, RESPECT is the place where Vinceyboy hangs his hat.

Now, long timers at HPC know that Vince learnt everything he knows from us, so although he is a bit behind the curve, he is galaxies ahead of any other mainstream"Gravitas Lite" politicians, except for possibly the "End Game" ones, like Mandy (although ****** knows what Peter's end game actually is...?)

So although I don't want to vote L.D. I would happily place a vote with Vince, even though I feel there should be a "Vince" in every party, but sadly there is not.

You might enjoy listening to the R5 broadcast, now a podcast at-

R5 podcast here

We are shortly to enter into the final bloody and tortuous rundown to the next UK Government selection process, and as Conservative are slowly throttling themselves with "ToryLite" and no obvious rudder to steer the shaky ship, and Lib Dem will not tell us id they would rather co-coalesce with Labour or Conservative-

WE ARE IN GRAVE DANGER OF A BROWN SLAM DUNK

Oh dear, oh dear..... good old vince eh !, learnt it all from us eh!, he's the man for us is he ?... well he's not the man for me I can tell you. I'll grant you made some sensible calls in the past but nothing that others were not saying.

But do you really want him running a political party... I wouldn't partially becasue he's no good at politics.... look at his latest gaffs over this new mansion tax

1/ He launches it without agreeing it with others ( and thats obvious )

2/ He launches but oops... it can't be implemented in scotland unless the scottish parliament also vote for it.

3/ He launches without realising the costs of doing the assessment and running the appeals ( of which there will be many)

4/ He launches without realising how he will get round the issue of the cash poor/asset rich .. ie little old ladies living on a small pension but living in modest but valuable housing... he latterly says this will be dealt with by their estate ( more cost, more admin, more unworkability)

5/ He quotes mittal et al without of course realising that £1m is pretty commonplace these days in terms of housing and many of the areas his party is targeting have a high proportion of voters living in these things or with aspirations to do so.

6/ He forgets his party has spent years arguing against property tax in favour of local income taxes, and yet without consultation he then turns it on his head in an unworkable manner.

7/ He has to (within hours of launching his flagship new taxation approach) then admit that it'll only be a temporary measure until local taxation can be brought in.

he's a nice old duffer and he has some sensible economic views , useful to have gently snoozing in the corner in an armchair to be called on for his opinion from time to time.... but leader of a political party , serious candidate for serious office... no way... he lacks both the management and the political skills.

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Just so long as it is a tory/liberal coalition ;)

Had quite enough of Labour thank you.

And why, oh why did the libs pick clegg to lead?!They have a fair few heavyweights, why choose a blair-lite?

<Insert double facepalm image here>

They refused to count a load of late votes for Chris Huhne. Clegg only "won" by a few hundred.

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I'm swinging toward Lib Dem more and more as each day passes, to be honest. Maybe we should have another poll?

They are totally doomed now, I really think their little moment in the sun has passed them by. The recent proliferation of idiotic tax ideas has given them away for the lightweights they are. They were hoping that the press would say what brilliant ideas to one or two of them, but instead they've just been hammered, particularly on this property taxation idea, which is likely to drive any disillusioned Tory voters straight back to Cameron.

I like Cable, I read his book and thought it was pretty good and his economic thinking solid, but honestly I don't think the last few days have done any of them any good. They need to start talking straight about how they'd govern in conjunction with a weak Tory party and what concessions they would try to extract from Cameron in exchange for support. All they are doing right now is making a hung parliament less and less likely.

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does he f

he knew that there was an unsustainable debt bubble

but he doesn't know how to solve it or that the true cause was central banks price fixing and artificially holding down interest rates

now if he stood up and said central planning always results in wealth destruction for the masses and we had to end the banking cartel

Unfortunately, I agree... he spotted the problem, but he seems pretty hopeless at providing a solution. Other than "breaking up the big banks", there is very little else he has said.

The problem is, we have no monetary/economic heavyweights, as far as I can see. There is no equivalent Ron Paul or Peter Schiff, let alone the others who are questioning the wisdom of the banking system. We just don't seem to have anyone who is seeing the bigger picture or getting angry about it. It's a crying shame tbh, but our politicians seem more content with tweaking vote winning policy, rather than attempting to take on the bigger problems.

Vince may have been more aware of the problems, but imo lacks solutions.

EDIT: At least he understands the need for a LVT of some sort though.

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The Libs have totally lost the plot this week. As Nick Ferrari put it on LBC this morning, the Lib Dems are "like a kindly old eccentric uncle who you have a really soft spot for until he comes to stay for a few days and you realise what a crackpot he is".

Anyone who believes a word racist Nick Ferrari says deserves to be ignored ;)

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Anyone who believes a word racist Nick Ferrari says deserves to be ignored ;)

Nah I agree, he's like the in-person reincarnation of the Daily Mail. I find it very interesting though that all the West African cabbies all listen to him and seem to love it.

I just thought it was a neat turn of phrase.

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The way this thread has gone is exactly the point I'm making.

Lib Dem are currently doing more to protect Brown's position by sitting on their political hands than anything else can. The collective anti-Brown voters are plagued with doubt over what they should be doing at the G.E.

Brown must be like Hitler, sitting in his bunker thinking, "Things look bad, real bad, but, If we can survive till then, and then we can join these two armies up, power will be restored, I will still be leader, WE SHALL TRIUMPH!"

You have been warned..

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Unfortunately, I agree... he spotted the problem, but he seems pretty hopeless at providing a solution. Other than "breaking up the big banks", there is very little else he has said.

The problem is, we have no monetary/economic heavyweights, as far as I can see. There is no equivalent Ron Paul or Peter Schiff, let alone the others who are questioning the wisdom of the banking system. We just don't seem to have anyone who is seeing the bigger picture or getting angry about it. It's a crying shame tbh, but our politicians seem more content with tweaking vote winning policy, rather than attempting to take on the bigger problems.

Vince may have been more aware of the problems, but imo lacks solutions.

EDIT: At least he understands the need for a LVT of some sort though.

dunno

there are quite a few on here who understand it - they just arent high profile

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The way this thread has gone is exactly the point I'm making.

Lib Dem are currently doing more to protect Brown's position by sitting on their political hands than anything else can. The collective anti-Brown voters are plagued with doubt over what they should be doing at the G.E.

Brown must be like Hitler, sitting in his bunker thinking, "Things look bad, real bad, but, If we can survive till then, and then we can join these two armies up, power will be restored, I will still be leader, WE SHALL TRIUMPH!"

You have been warned..

I'm afraid there are plenty of people out there who are foolish enough to vote labour that I doubt the bumbling efforts of Cable and co will make much difference.

They voted for Blair in 1997, voted them in again and then guess what voted them in again.... there was plenty of evidence even at the begining that labour would sink the county, and yet few listened.... I suspect unfortunately that brown has a very very very good chance of getting in again... there are so many in this country who unfortunately can't see labour for the incompetents they are.

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Clegg has been absolutely unwilling over the last few days to talk about the possibility of a hung parliament, in which he would presumably have to consider taking power in an alliance with the Tories. Instead he wants to focus on the "real" possibility of the Lib Dems winning the election themselves. This is just pathetic, and is actually verging on dishonest. The Libs are polling at 18%. They can't win the election. Why not start to at least address the major issues that they would need to deal with in order to sit at a table with the Tories?

Sorry, but you're completely wrong. The Lib Dems would be shooting themselves in the foot if they started talking about forming coalitions with one or the other parties. The minute they talk about forming a coalition government with the Conservatives then they'll drive away all the left wing voters who'll assume a vote for the Lib Dems is really a vote for a Tory government. The same is true for right wing voters if they talked about forming a coalition with Labour. It'd be electoral suicide.

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dunno

there are quite a few on here who understand it - they just arent high profile

True, but I meant those who are politicians already, really.

That said, for all we know, a few of the posters on here may be MPs hiding behind their nicknames! :ph34r::lol:

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The way this thread has gone is exactly the point I'm making.

Lib Dem are currently doing more to protect Brown's position by sitting on their political hands than anything else can. The collective anti-Brown voters are plagued with doubt over what they should be doing at the G.E.

Brown must be like Hitler, sitting in his bunker thinking, "Things look bad, real bad, but, If we can survive till then, and then we can join these two armies up, power will be restored, I will still be leader, WE SHALL TRIUMPH!"

You have been warned..

Red or blue, I doubt it will make much difference. Even yellow doesn't seem much different.

They all seem content to talk about tinkering around the edges. For an example, just look at the controversy over the £1m house tax or the tuition fees thing - they're nothing policies.

Now, if they started talking strongly about tax reform (land value tax particularly), large scale monetary reform, long term energy policy, calling for an EU referendum, wholesale benefits reform etc, then maybe people would give a toss. As it is, we're arguing over flotsam - 3 parties and barely a fag paper between them.

Is it any wonder that people don't vote because they think they are all the same? They're not far wrong, in reality!

EDIT: punctuation

Edited by Traktion

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Sorry, but you're completely wrong. The Lib Dems would be shooting themselves in the foot if they started talking about forming coalitions with one or the other parties. The minute they talk about forming a coalition government with the Conservatives then they'll drive away all the left wing voters who'll assume a vote for the Lib Dems is really a vote for a Tory government. The same is true for right wing voters if they talked about forming a coalition with Labour. It'd be electoral suicide.

Fine, but then don't talk about being the only honest party because they aren't being honest at all by refusing to address the issue.

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Red or blue, I doubt it will make much difference. Even yellow doesn't seem much different.

They all seem content to talk about tinkering around the edges. For an example, just look at the controversy over the £1m house tax or the tuition fees thing - they're nothing policies.

Now, if they started talking strongly about tax reform (land value tax particularly), large scale monetary reform, long term energy policy, calling for an EU referendum, wholesale benefits reform etc, then maybe people would give a toss. As it is, we're arguing over flotsam - 3 parties and barely a fag paper between them.

its been designed that way by those with the real power

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Vince Cable is very good but I'd like to see him remain as the LibDem's financial expert.

maybe he is so much better than any of the others, he is better off somewhere else?

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