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Harriet Harman has declared war on the culture of corporate entertainment in lap-dancing clubs, saying that businessmen will no longer be able to claim back tax on their expenses.

The Equalities Minister said that taxpayers should not subsidise evenings out that excluded women on the team and supported the wider sex industry.

Her intention is to hit demand for this rapidly expanding industry. Clubs, particularly those in London, rely heavily on corporate clients. The owner of one club chain told The Times that up to 75 per cent of his clients were there on business, rising to almost 100 per cent during the week.

“It is an expensive night out at a couple of thousands pounds a time,†he said. “You couldn’t afford it if it’s not on expenses.â€

It is the tax that companies claim back for entertaining staff and clients that is in Ms Harman’s sights. Companies can claim back 15 per cent VAT if they take their own staff out for an evening. It is considered a legitimate business expense because it helps to motivate staff and build team spirit. They can also offset the expenses of entertaining clients against their corporate tax bill.

Lap-dancing clubs have sprung up all over Britain after legal changes in 2003 made it far easier to get a licence. Their number has doubled to 310 in the past four years. A loophole in the Licensing Act allowed the clubs to be part of the leisure industry rather than the sex industry. After a vociferous campaign from women’s groups and MPs who were inundated with complaints from constituents, that loophole has been closed and clubs must be licensed as sexual-encounter establishments.

Critics, however, say that the clubs have multiplied to become a mainstream part of corporate life. Research by the Fawcett Society pressure group published yesterday found that 41 per cent of the clubs market directly to companies. In London, 86 per cent admitted to providing “discreet receipts†to clients allowing them to pass the night out off as drinks and dinner, rather than an evening at a lapdancing club. Typically a discreet receipt will bear the name of the catering company or drinks supplier that the club uses. Ms Harman said that going to lap-dancing clubs should not be considered a legitimate business expense. “Clearly . . . entertaining in lap-dancing clubs has the effect of excluding women. It’s wrong, both in excluding women in the workplace, but is also part of a larger industry of exploitation of women and selling sex, so we have to look at it in both respects,†Ms Harman said at a meeting on the sex industry and business.

“I will take up the issue of tax relief, because there is a whole host of rules around tax relief. For example you can’t get tax relief for childcare, which is necessary for you to go to work. Why should you be able to get tax relief for a night out at a lap-dancing club where effectively you are discriminating against women employees in doing so?â€

Ms Harman told The Times that the Treasury would issue guidance on the issue shortly.

Just what does our Harriet think all of these girls will do if the lap dancing club closes. Here we have a Labour minister clearly wanting to make people unemployed because it doesn't fit in with her moral compass......

Isn't it a bit sexist to suggest this excludes all women, what about Lesbians they might enjoy a good night out in lap dancing club.

Clearly this hasn't been thought through!!!

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Harriet Harman has declared war on the culture of corporate entertainment in lap-dancing clubs, saying that businessmen will no longer be able to claim back tax on their expenses.

For once, nothing wrong in principle with what she's trying to do.

But trying to legislate for it must surely be as barmy as any Harfwitism. More or less.

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She should be taxing them to extinction. Lapdancing clubs are just another aspect of the exploitative shyte that encapsulates the lazy, decadent hopelessness of the UK.

Shame she's proposing it in the same week that Channel 5 got the go-ahead to air late night roulette.

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Id need a tax break and a double paper bag for Hariet Hardbody to do a lapdance on me, thanks all the same.

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Harriet Harman hates the idea that a consenting adult woman can do whatever she likes with her body.

Google her name - you'll find plenty of examples of how she loves telling other people how to live their lives.

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I heard her on R2 last year pontificating about the need to ban prostitution.

When a male prostitute called in she was completely flummoxed.

Did he offer an, erm, 'free sample' in the hope that this might win her round?

If Harridan Hattie wants to ban strip joints, her best bet is to get a job in one herself. That would be enough to make any self-respecting male sign a vow of celibacy (or become gay).

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More regulation :angry:

You play corporate entertaining by ear and do want the clients want. That's how you win / keep contracts. There is never any desire to exclude anybody and she would know this if she had ever been in business. It is there to keep people happy, to keep them talking and to see what else you can do for them. It is not some boys' club to exclude anybody, it is inclusive.

Dropping the tax exemption will have no effect. What the client wants the client gets, as they are effectively paying for it.

When I worked in London I had to sit through so many musicals for my (foreign) clients that eventually I had to draw the line and say "Anything you want, except Cats".

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Harriet Harman hates the idea that a consenting adult woman can do whatever she likes with her body.

If you define consenting as trafficked, traded, prostituted and enslaved then you'd be right. But you probably don't so you are wrong.

Do some research into what lies beneath the sex trade - includng lap dancing bars - and you'll see a far nastier side.

And who in their right mind would allow a lap dancing bar to have the same classification as a coffee shop and not the same as a sex shop or a sex cinema? Oh, Nu Labour and their corporate £ loving shisters.

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If you define consenting as trafficked, traded, prostituted and enslaved then you'd be right. But you probably don't so you are wrong.

Do some research into what lies beneath the sex trade - includng lap dancing bars - and you'll see a far nastier side.

And who in their right mind would allow a lap dancing bar to have the same classification as a coffee shop and not the same as a sex shop or a sex cinema? Oh, Nu Labour and their corporate £ loving shisters.

So you are saying every girl in Spearmint Rhinos has been trafficked into the country against there will?

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So you are saying every girl in Spearmint Rhinos has been trafficked into the country against there will?

and these slaves, all bruised and done over (myfreecams.com)

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So you are saying every girl in Spearmint Rhinos has been trafficked into the country against there will?

Of course not, that would be silly of me! But there are a lot of dodgy things going on behind the scenes, attempts to lure women into prostitution and women trapped due to all sorts of problems. And there is trafficking.

And Spearmint Rhino’s is of course the glossy end of the spectrum.

There is a very long, sociological argument behind why these places are bad for Men and Women, bad for men (and boys) because these places are in the mainstream – like betting shops – and young men can’t help but be influenced by them, objectifying women and bad for women (and girls) for many reasons but mostly because of the way women are perceived by men (and boys) as objects.

People can disagree with me, I am not going to get into heated and long winded argument about it because I didn’t join the forum to talk about my opinions about strip clubs all I am saying is the proliferation of these places (mainly due to Nu Labour legislation) and in the same vein betting shops everywhere you look surely isn’t good for society.

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Of course not, that would be silly of me! But there are a lot of dodgy things going on behind the scenes, attempts to lure women into prostitution and women trapped due to all sorts of problems. And there is trafficking.

And Spearmint Rhino’s is of course the glossy end of the spectrum.

There is a very long, sociological argument behind why these places are bad for Men and Women, bad for men (and boys) because these places are in the mainstream – like betting shops – and young men can’t help but be influenced by them, objectifying women and bad for women (and girls) for many reasons but mostly because of the way women are perceived by men (and boys) as objects.

People can disagree with me, I am not going to get into heated and long winded argument about it because I didn’t join the forum to talk about my opinions about strip clubs all I am saying is the proliferation of these places (mainly due to Nu Labour legislation) and in the same vein betting shops everywhere you look surely isn’t good for society.

What comes first; lap dance clubs causing men to see women as sexy objects, or men seeing women as sexy objects prompting the creation of lap dancing clubs?

Maybe before lap dancing clubs blokes didn't start dribbling at the mouth when a girl with a great body went past.

This is normally objected to by people who feel excluded....... from being able to turn reality to their advantage.

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Of course not, that would be silly of me! But there are a lot of dodgy things going on behind the scenes, attempts to lure women into prostitution and women trapped due to all sorts of problems. And there is trafficking.

And Spearmint Rhino’s is of course the glossy end of the spectrum.

There is a very long, sociological argument behind why these places are bad for Men and Women, bad for men (and boys) because these places are in the mainstream �" like betting shops �" and young men can’t help but be influenced by them, objectifying women and bad for women (and girls) for many reasons but mostly because of the way women are perceived by men (and boys) as objects.

People can disagree with me, I am not going to get into heated and long winded argument about it because I didn’t join the forum to talk about my opinions about strip clubs all I am saying is the proliferation of these places (mainly due to Nu Labour legislation) and in the same vein betting shops everywhere you look surely isn’t good for society.

never been in one. whats the point of getting all lathered up only to be thrown out when you do what comes naturally...carress the person in your lap.

seems silly to me.

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It will be unenforceable in practice, because these places use "discreet" company names on the receipts. Often a separate catering company provide the drinks and or food.

And they use "expense-friendly" item descriptions such as "dinner and drinks" rather than "tits and fanny", so attempting to disallow expense or tax claims would be very difficult.

I read this in The Times, by the way, in case you are wondering how I know! Honest.

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As a trade; Sex, Drugs and Violence all 'cum' together. First eradicate the Violence. Then snuff out the drugs. The Sex as a trade will evaporate by itself. It will still exist as a trade in relationships between married couples though. LOL

Harriet Harman is trying to harmoginise Men and Women. It just won't work.

How far does she want to go. Give equal rights to Men so that they too can bear children.

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There is a very long, sociological argument behind why these places are bad for Men and Women, bad for men (and boys) because these places are in the mainstream �" like betting shops �" and young men can’t help but be influenced by them, objectifying women and bad for women (and girls) for many reasons but mostly because of the way women are perceived by men (and boys) as objects.

Valid points, but changing the tax-deductible status of the establishments concerned hardly addresses the problem.

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yeah, why should business be exempt from watching porn.

IIRC, some MPs husband put his porn videos on the MPs expenses......men....just love naked women....I wonder why...evolution maybe?

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never been in one. whats the point of getting all lathered up only to be thrown out when you do what comes naturally...carress the person in your lap.

seems silly to me.

Which definition of person are you referring to?

p-o-p

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Which definition of person are you referring to?

p-o-p

it would be dark, I d have had a few.....so who cares, as long as it had big hair and false lashes.

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If you define consenting as trafficked, traded, prostituted and enslaved then you'd be right. But you probably don't so you are wrong.

Do some research into what lies beneath the sex trade - includng lap dancing bars - and you'll see a far nastier side.

And who in their right mind would allow a lap dancing bar to have the same classification as a coffee shop and not the same as a sex shop or a sex cinema? Oh, Nu Labour and their corporate £ loving shisters.

I know a lot of hookers, believe me they are vicious rats who are only after one thing - your money.

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I know a lot of hookers, believe me they are vicious rats who are only after one thing - your money.

Well if everybody else is too polite to ask.....

How do you know loads of hookers? Are you a pimp?

I don't know any, well I don't think I know any.

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